Re: Weird Stuff

2010-05-29 Thread Chance Reecher
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Bill Connelly  wrote:
> A jiggle of the mouse, from vibrations nearby, can wake a sleeping Mac.
>
Really? That's interesting. When I put my macs to sleep, moving the
mouse doesn't wake them up. Clicking it does, but not moving it. In
fact, the LED goes dark. (I haven't got a ball mouse around to test)
>
> My USB Inkjet printer will also wake my Digital Audio if I turn it off or
> on.
>
That's because it basically has the same effect as unplugging/plugging
in a USB device.
>

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Re: G3 Blue and White

2010-05-29 Thread Larry Stotler
On May 29, 3:15 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
> i don't think so.  while Sonnet did make a G4/1gig processor upgrade
> (as well as G4/700 and G4/800), these were NOT ZIF processors.  rather
> hey were what are usually referred to "PCI upgrades," ie, daughter
> cards for the 72xx-96xx Macs and selected clones.  AFAIK, the fastest
> ZIF processor Sonnet ever made that is a direct plug-in for a B&W was
> the G4/500.  there *may* have been a G4/600 ZIF made by Gigadesigns or
> Newertech, or someone else, but i don't remember for sure.

Sonnet made upgrades for the PCI Macs(73/75/76/85/86/95/9600s).  They
were called the Crescendo/PCI.

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/crescendo_pci.html

The also made upgrades for the B&W and Yikes!.  They were called the
Encore/ZIF:

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore.html

> however, larry IS absolutely correct in pointing out that the Sonnet
> G4 upgrade WILL drop the motherboard bus speed from 100 to 66 MHz.
> IMBWB, i *think* this is true of all third party G4 upgrades of all
> speeds, and even Apple G4 processors pulled from a Yikes.

Partly Correct.  The bug involves anything over the 10x multiplier
from what I understand.  However, I have a G4/450 ZIF in my B&W
overclocked to 500Mhz using the 100Mhz bus.

> as for performance, the sad truth is that very few programs ever made
> extensive use of the Altivec processing capabilities.  even those that
> do will not suffer too terribly when run on a G3, compared to the
> limitation of slower clockspeed on both the mobo and processor.  i
> have the Powerlogix G3/1gig in a blue and white, and it measurably
> outperforms a G4/400 by more than 2 to 1 on real world comparisons.
> the G3/1gig also has a larger L2 cache (1MB), which gives a big boost
> to apps which are floatiing-point arithmetic intensive.

Starting with Tiger(I believe), the desktop makes use of the altivec
to an extent.  Of course, you can't use Quartz Extreme on a PCI video
card, so that's probably not as big of an issue.

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RE: Sonnet firmware Cube

2010-05-29 Thread Stewie de Young



> Subject: Re: Sonnet firmware Cube
> From: carmo...@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:09:25 -0700
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> > 
> > John , if you go that Sonnet card on ebay I linked to , then he has both 
> > the instruction manual as a pdf and also the link for the Sonnet firmware 
> > download.
> > You need both the Apple and Sonnet firmware updates otherwise your Cube 
> > won't recognise the new processor.
> > Usually the seller of the CPU supplies the original Sonnet CD with these on 
> > but he may have lost it.
> > 
> > Stewie
> 
> Thanks Stewie. I went there and saw it the other day when you told me about 
> it but now the processor they have up is a 1.4 so is that the same firmware 
> for the 1.2? That's the confusing issue I have.
> 
> John Carmonne

I should have put that link in again in my last post. Here it is again.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200457739760&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
That lets you download the v3.1 firmware which is what you need.
I also think that the Sonnet 1.4GHz CPU needs the next firmware version which I 
think is the v3.2 or maybe they have just updated the firmware for all these 
upgrades in one hit.

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Re: G3 Blue and White

2010-05-29 Thread ah...clem
On May 28, 4:55 pm, dc  wrote:
>
> The Sonnet G4 500 is one of the best available upgrades for a B&W or
> Yikes.

contrary to that opinion, i have talked to several VERY knowledge
folks who all agree that Sonnet made the shabbiest line of processor
upgrades compared to any of their competitors.  from personal
experience, i would say i can easily believe this is true.  i've used
two different Sonnet upgrades, and both caused lots of issues, eg,
with RAM and expansion cards.  by comparison, m...@box, powerlogix, and
newertech preocessors have performed flawlessly, and without any
issues whatsoever.  personally, i would rate Sonnet as crap.

jt

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Re: G3 Blue and White

2010-05-29 Thread ah...clem
On May 27, 6:23 pm, Larry Stotler  wrote:
>
> Sonnet made a 1Ghz G4 upgrade.  Unfortunately, it drops the bus speed
> from 100Mhz to 66Mhz due to a bug in the chipset.  These arent
> available new tho.
>

i don't think so.  while Sonnet did make a G4/1gig processor upgrade
(as well as G4/700 and G4/800), these were NOT ZIF processors.  rather
hey were what are usually referred to "PCI upgrades," ie, daughter
cards for the 72xx-96xx Macs and selected clones.  AFAIK, the fastest
ZIF processor Sonnet ever made that is a direct plug-in for a B&W was
the G4/500.  there *may* have been a G4/600 ZIF made by Gigadesigns or
Newertech, or someone else, but i don't remember for sure.

however, larry IS absolutely correct in pointing out that the Sonnet
G4 upgrade WILL drop the motherboard bus speed from 100 to 66 MHz.
IMBWB, i *think* this is true of all third party G4 upgrades of all
speeds, and even Apple G4 processors pulled from a Yikes.

as for performance, the sad truth is that very few programs ever made
extensive use of the Altivec processing capabilities.  even those that
do will not suffer too terribly when run on a G3, compared to the
limitation of slower clockspeed on both the mobo and processor.  i
have the Powerlogix G3/1gig in a blue and white, and it measurably
outperforms a G4/400 by more than 2 to 1 on real world comparisons.
the G3/1gig also has a larger L2 cache (1MB), which gives a big boost
to apps which are floatiing-point arithmetic intensive.

jt

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Re: Weird Stuff

2010-05-29 Thread Bill Connelly

A jiggle of the mouse, from vibrations nearby, can wake a sleeping Mac.

My USB Inkjet printer will also wake my Digital Audio if I turn it off  
or on.


And then there's my cat ...

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Re: Weird Stuff

2010-05-29 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 29, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On May 29, 2010, at 10:53 AM, smac0031 wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I can also get the computer to wake up by kicking the desk, or by
>> slamming the lid on the toilet which is in the next room.
>> 
>> I'm thinking the problem is in the hub.
> 
> so take the dumb hub out of the loop and test it...USB devices can do all 
> sorts of weird things. What's plugged into the hub?
> 
> In OS 9 if I had my Iomega CD burner plugged in when I shut down, the system 
> would restart instead.

Also, iirc, the Digital Audio is one of the last models that'll start up from 
the power key on old iMac keyboards, so yes, flakiness in the USB hub will do 
this.

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Re: Weird Stuff

2010-05-29 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 29, 2010, at 10:53 AM, smac0031 wrote:

> 
> I can also get the computer to wake up by kicking the desk, or by
> slamming the lid on the toilet which is in the next room.
> 
> I'm thinking the problem is in the hub.

so take the dumb hub out of the loop and test it...USB devices can do all sorts 
of weird things. What's plugged into the hub?

In OS 9 if I had my Iomega CD burner plugged in when I shut down, the system 
would restart instead.



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Weird Stuff

2010-05-29 Thread smac0031
I have weird stuff going on.

I think there may be a short in my USB hub. Anyway, I put my Digital
Audio G4 to sleep and it wakes up. It will do it within a couple of
minutes and it got to the point where I sat at the computer and put it
to sleep just to see if it would stay asleep.

Nope, it would wake up all on its own.

Then I got PO'd and shut it down completely.

Now, this is the weird part, that thing would power up on its own all
by itself with no action from me.

After more investigating, I noticed that whenever it would wake up
there was a very faint electrical click sound coming from the area of
the hub and then the computer would wake up.

I discovered that sometimes I could get the computer to wake up just
by futzing around with the hub. I couldn't do it every time. I got the
computer to wake up just by closing the hatch on the side. All the
electrical connections look like they're tight.

I can also get the computer to wake up by kicking the desk, or by
slamming the lid on the toilet which is in the next room.

I'm thinking the problem is in the hub.

Several years ago with a previous USB hub I could get this computer to
reboot just by messing with the connections at the hub.

For some reason I was having troubles with hardware issues that I
couldn't figure out. Finally, it seemed that the PRAM battery had died
so I replaced it. I am not completely sure, but I am fairly certain
that the original PRAM battery was installed backwards. The current
PRAM battery is in properly seated.

I bought this computer used. It's a really good computer even though
it is ten or eleven years out of date.

PS. I can't find my damn F3 key. My shop vac ate it and I sifted
through the stuff twice and got dust in my lungs. Yuck!
Is there a place where I can get a replacement F3 key? Or do I need a
new keyboard? I never have used my F3 key, my keyboard just looks
bucktoothed.

Smac003

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Re: G3 Blue and White

2010-05-29 Thread Larry Stotler
This one should be the one:

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/6849/sonnet-firmware-updater

Apple updated the firmware on the B&W G3's before they came out with
the Yikes! G4/ZIF machines so you couldn't use a G4 in the B&W's.  The
3rd party upgrade kits came with a program to fix that.


On May 28, 11:31 pm, Jasiu  wrote:
> What patch is that?
>
> On May 28, 6:23 pm, Larry Stotler  wrote:
>
> > On May 28, 4:55 pm, dc  wrote:
>
> > > The Sonnet G4 500 is one of the best available upgrades for a B&W or
> > > Yikes.
>
> > The OP needs to make sure he runs the 3rd party patch to allow the G4
> > to work in the G3 tho.  Almost forgot that.

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Re: QuickTime web download issue-what happened?

2010-05-29 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 28, 2010, at 6:48 PM, DLC wrote:

> Can anyone offer an explanation, and maybe, a plug-in that restores
> this very helpful "save file" option?
> Many thanks,
> Dana

Could QT Pro somehow have forgotten your pro license?

What happens if you try it on Firefox?

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Re: G4 MDD Dual 1.42 upgrade

2010-05-29 Thread John Carmonne

> 
> I know that the MDD had a special version of Mac OS 9 included, but as I said 
> before: mine is gone.
> 
> Where should I get this special MDD-ROM for Mac OS 9 from? I mean, legally? 
> Or 
> is it legal to get one when I already own a MDD?
> 
> Thanks for the hint,
> Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250


I'll send it OFF_LIST

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Re: G4 MDD Dual 1.42 upgrade

2010-05-29 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: G4 MDD Dual 1.42 upgrade
Date:Samstag 29 Mai 2010N
From:John Carmonne 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

> > Mine was a MDD Dual-1 GHz and now is a Dual-1.42 GHz. Works like a charm.
> >
> > Even though Mac OS 9 should still be bootable (has nothing to do with the
> > processors, rather with the firmware on the logic board) – I was not able
> > to test it. I had a version of Mac OS 9 that was incompatible with the
> > MDD – I got my MDD used without the original discs…
> 
> I found that the booting problem on the MDD was fixed with a special system
>  ROM that came in the original machine, just swap it out and it boots.

Are you taking about something called the “Enabler” or so? This should be part 
of Mac OS 9 and has nothing to do with the logic board ROM (e.g. Open Firmware 
ROM or whatever you want to call it). Am I right?

I know that the MDD had a special version of Mac OS 9 included, but as I said 
before: mine is gone.

Where should I get this special MDD-ROM for Mac OS 9 from? I mean, legally? Or 
is it legal to get one when I already own a MDD?

Thanks for the hint,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Sonnet firmware Cube

2010-05-29 Thread John Carmonne

> 
> John , if you go that Sonnet card on ebay I linked to , then he has both the 
> instruction manual as a pdf and also the link for the Sonnet firmware 
> download.
> You need both the Apple and Sonnet firmware updates otherwise your Cube won't 
> recognise the new processor.
> Usually the seller of the CPU supplies the original Sonnet CD with these on 
> but he may have lost it.
> 
> Stewie

Thanks Stewie. I went there and saw it the other day when you told me about it 
but now the processor they have up is a 1.4 so is that the same firmware for 
the 1.2? That's the confusing issue I have.

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RE: Sonnet firmware Cube

2010-05-29 Thread Stewie de Young



> From: carmo...@aol.com
> Subject: Sonnet firmware Cube
> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 06:51:22 -0700
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I have a Sonnet 1.2 GHz processor coming for one of the Cubes and I'm a 
> little confused about firmware. Do I need any firmware in addition to the 
> Apple OSX 4.1.9 ROM?
> 
> 
> John Carmonne

John , if you go that Sonnet card on ebay I linked to , then he has both the 
instruction manual as a pdf and also the link for the Sonnet firmware download.
You need both the Apple and Sonnet firmware updates otherwise your Cube won't 
recognise the new processor.
Usually the seller of the CPU supplies the original Sonnet CD with these on but 
he may have lost it.

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Sonnet firmware Cube

2010-05-29 Thread John Carmonne
Hi All

I have a Sonnet 1.2 GHz processor coming for one of the Cubes and I'm a little 
confused about firmware. Do I need any firmware in addition to the Apple OSX 
4.1.9 ROM?


John Carmonne
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Re: G4 MDD Dual 1.42 upgrade

2010-05-29 Thread John Carmonne

On May 29, 2010, at 6:25 AM, Stewie de Young wrote:

> 
> > > Mine was a MDD Dual-1 GHz and now is a Dual-1.42 GHz. Works like a charm.
> > > 
> > > Even though Mac OS 9 should still be bootable (has nothing to do with the 
> > > processors, rather with the firmware on the logic board) – I was not able 
> > > to 
> > > test it. I had a version of Mac OS 9 that was incompatible with the MDD – 
> > > I 
> > > got my MDD used without the original discs…
> > > 
> > > 
> > I found that the booting problem on the MDD was fixed with a special system 
> > ROM that came in the original machine, just swap it out and it boots.
> > 
> > John Carmonne
> 
> I have a dual 1.42 that was upgraded from a dual 1.0 GHz but I also changed 
> the original logicboard to the FW800 one as well.
> You're saying that if I swap the ROM file for one like yours, I would be able 
> to boot OS9 on my machine as well ?
> 
> Stewie
> 
No I don't think the FW 800 MB will boot 9. I was refering to the G4 MDD FW 400 
booting OS 9 installed from a installation disk. The OS 9 that came on the MDDs 
had a special ROM and also had to be on a 200 GB or smaller HDD or partition. 
But you may try it, strange thing do happen if you mess around a little

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RE: G4 MDD Dual 1.42 upgrade

2010-05-29 Thread Stewie de Young



> Subject: Re: G4 MDD Dual 1.42 upgrade
> From: carmo...@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 06:15:48 -0700
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> > 
> > Mine was a MDD Dual-1 GHz and now is a Dual-1.42 GHz. Works like a charm.
> > 
> > Even though Mac OS 9 should still be bootable (has nothing to do with the 
> > processors, rather with the firmware on the logic board) – I was not able 
> > to 
> > test it. I had a version of Mac OS 9 that was incompatible with the MDD – I 
> > got my MDD used without the original discs…
> > 
> > 
> I found that the booting problem on the MDD was fixed with a special system 
> ROM that came in the original machine, just swap it out and it boots.
> 
> John Carmonne

I have a dual 1.42 that was upgraded from a dual 1.0 GHz but I also changed the 
original logicboard to the FW800 one as well.
You're saying that if I swap the ROM file for one like yours, I would be able 
to boot OS9 on my machine as well ?

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Re: G4 MDD Dual 1.42 upgrade

2010-05-29 Thread John Carmonne

> 
> Mine was a MDD Dual-1 GHz and now is a Dual-1.42 GHz. Works like a charm.
> 
> Even though Mac OS 9 should still be bootable (has nothing to do with the 
> processors, rather with the firmware on the logic board) – I was not able to 
> test it. I had a version of Mac OS 9 that was incompatible with the MDD – I 
> got my MDD used without the original discs…
> 
> 
I found that the booting problem on the MDD was fixed with a special system ROM 
that came in the original machine, just swap it out and it boots.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: G4 desk top daughter card

2010-05-29 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 5/29/10 3:38 AM, "Miguel Garcia Gell"  wrote:

> Is this what you're looking for...
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-G4-500-Mhz-w-heatsink-Processor-CPU-MAC-/23047347369
> 4?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item35a94a1e9e
> 
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:30 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:
>> Hi All
>> 
>> Does anyone know if a  500  MHz daughter card from a G4 desk top will fit a
>> G4 Cube. I need a 500 processor for a Cube.

Yes and no probably...speaking for him.  The cooling is a huge issue in a
cube.  OWC has or had an upgrade (I think it was made by Newertech) that was
a processor upgrade with a fan assembly.  I have owned many cubes and
cooling is important.
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Re: G4 desk top daughter card

2010-05-29 Thread Miguel Garcia Gell
*Is this what you're looking for...*

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-G4-500-Mhz-w-heatsink-Processor-CPU-MAC-/230473473694?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item35a94a1e9e
*

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:30 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Does anyone know if a  500  MHz daughter card from a G4 desk top will fit a
> G4 Cube. I need a 500 processor for a Cube.
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda USA
> Sent from my MBP
>
>
>
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