Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Richard Gerome]

   It most certainly sounds to me like it's the Hard Drive going bad... I've 
had, out of all the Apples I have owned and worked on only 2 Clamshells do this 
(one of them I bought brand new and Apple Care replaced it) and in both the HD 
was the issue... My Apple use goes back to 1996...



-Original Message-
From: lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:10 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

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Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are 
going...

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Richard Gerome]

 I must admit I think I had one in my Clamshell about 3 yrs ago but I'm not quite sure??? Here's the story: I was searching the web (on dailup) and went on this site then all of a sudden my whole screen turned red then it started what sounded like it was burning up then after that noise stopped I had a ghost of the previous webpage and my computer just died... I had a lot of spare clamshell parts so I replaced the screen and the computer booted back up and it lasted about a month and it happened again so this time I replaced the screen and did a clean and reinstall and it's been running great since!!! A virus??? Maybe??? I never heard of any Mac user having any problems, ever, and I still do not use any anti virus software... -Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
Sent: Nov 8, 2010 6:41 PM
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Subject: Re: Anti-virus for Mac

So John Thinks there are Mac viruses or has had a personal experience of a Mac virus and no one else does or has?( sorry John. 10 years of no one reporting a virus of thousands of LEM listers overrides anything else I have seen yet. Despite all the scare tactic bruhaha from those who write the crap to drum up business. ) 

When it comes you will see a lot of posts on LEM. 



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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Dennis Myhand]

You might want to unplug it as well.  If it is not the power supply, it 
is something else with a lot of juice running through it.  You have a 
potential fire hazard.


lrbarrios wrote:

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?



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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Chuck]

anyone who points to a hard drive  about this issue  should not be allowed to
own or operate a computer.



On 11/9/10, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote:


It most certainly sounds to me like it's the Hard Drive going bad... I've
 had, out of all the Apples I have owned and worked on only 2 Clamshells do
 this (one of them I bought brand new and Apple Care replaced it) and in both
 the HD was the issue... My Apple use goes back to 1996...



 -Original Message-
From: lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:10 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Jim Scott]

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:10 PM, lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com wrote:

 I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
 I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
 doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)
 
 I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
 from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
 display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
 can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
 will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
 it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
 the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
 off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

Nope, it's the sound (and soon to be the smell) of the flyback transformer's 
death throes.

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 
 
   It most certainly sounds to me like it's the Hard Drive going bad... I've 
 had, out of all the Apples I have owned and worked on only 2 Clamshells do 
 this (one of them I bought brand new and Apple Care replaced it) and in both 
 the HD was the issue... My Apple use goes back to 1996...
 

No it's the flyback transformer, a common issue in the AIO's especially at 
their age.

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Peter Haas]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Jim Scott wrote:

Nope, it's the sound (and soon to be the smell) of the flyback  
transformer's death throes.


Indeed so.

The AIO needs a new analog board, which is essentially the heart and  
soul of the Trinitron monitor.


Which is perhaps one reason NOT to get an AIO.


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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Peter Haas]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

No it's the flyback transformer, a common issue in the AIO's  
especially at their age.


True enough, but tripler type flybacks are commonly enough  
available from the usual suspect TV and monitor repair parts dealers.



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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Jim Scott]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Peter Haas wrote:

 
 On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Jim Scott wrote:
 
 Nope, it's the sound (and soon to be the smell) of the flyback transformer's 
 death throes.
 
 Indeed so.
 
 The AIO needs a new analog board, which is essentially the heart and soul of 
 the Trinitron monitor.
 
 Which is perhaps one reason NOT to get an AIO.

It is possible to replace the flyback transformer. I've successfully replaced 
many that had begun exhibiting symptoms of death. I've also replaced a few in 
which not even a new flyback transformer could save the analog board, which had 
other damaged components. Google Bluestar International to find a new flyback. 
However, the real question is, Is it worth a gamble of $40 or so to try to 
save a Mac this old?

Another reason NOT to get an AIO is that the beasts weigh 60 pounds. Apple was 
nice enough to build in two hand grips so you could lug one around. But after 
following all the ergonomically correct lifting procedures, and wearing a back 
brace, I still managed to wrench my back a couple of times lifting them. I'll 
never wrestle with an AIO again, thank goodness. (I now cringe every time I 
have to move an eMac, which weighs 50 pounds, doesn't have built-in hand grips, 
and has a slick plastic case. Boo!)

But the best reason NOT to get an AIO, other than as a hobbyist's trip down 
memory lane, is that they are obsolete and not worth the effort. Video RAM 
begins at 2 MB and ends at 6 MB after an upgrade, for example. Try that on 
today's web sites.

RIP, AIO.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/08 17:08, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote:

Aren't all files with .exe reported as suspect virus files?


Not all of them, just the malicious ones. Which might be construed as 
most of them. ;-)


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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/09 10:11, Jim Scott so eloquently wrote:

It is possible to replace the flyback transformer.


I'm not familiar with a Power Mac AIO, is it similar to a G3 iMac? If 
so, isn't there a potentially large jolt of current waiting to shock 
someone if they don't discharge it first?


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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Jim Scott]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Tina K. wrote:

 On 2010/11/09 10:11, Jim Scott so eloquently wrote:
 It is possible to replace the flyback transformer.
 
 I'm not familiar with a Power Mac AIO, is it similar to a G3 iMac? If so, 
 isn't there a potentially large jolt of current waiting to shock someone if 
 they don't discharge it first?

It's the Power Macintosh G3 All-In-One, and it is similar to the 
first-generation G3 iMac, except it has a bland beige case with a perforated 
white top that looks like a dental molar, hence the nickname G3 Molar. It 
also has a case of elephantiasis, compared to the 35-pound G3 iMac with similar 
specs. Go here to learn more (check out the 266 MHz version too): 
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_233_aio.html.

Yes, as with any cathode ray tube powered by a flyback transformer, safe CRT 
discharge practices should be observed. My point is that it is possible to 
replace just the FBT. I would assume that any prudent person who's a member of 
this list would be aware of the dangers of imprudently playing around with 
high-voltage devices.

Jim

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/09 10:50, Jim Scott so eloquently wrote:

It's the Power Macintosh G3 All-In-One, and it is similar to the first-generation G3 iMac, 
except it has a bland beige case with a perforated white top that looks like a dental molar, 
hence the nickname G3 Molar. It also has a case of elephantiasis, compared to the 
35-pound G3 iMac with similar specs. Go here to learn more (check out the 266 MHz version 
too):http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_233_aio.html.


Thank you for the link, I see that it was an Education only model which 
is probably why I am not familiar with it.



Yes, as with any cathode ray tube powered by a flyback transformer, safe CRT 
discharge practices should be observed. My point is that it is possible to 
replace just the FBT. I would assume that any prudent person who's a member of 
this list would be aware of the dangers of imprudently playing around with 
high-voltage devices.


I agree, but better safe then sorry. Especially since LCDs have almost 
completely replaced CRTs there may be some that have forgotten about the 
risk, or have never opened a CRT before.


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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Chuck]

flyback transformers are dangerous as hell.

a layman can learn to repair apple computers easily, as far as replacing
parts.
as long as you know what to replace.

CRT monitor components are an exception.

this repair has more in common with TV repair, and involves handling
possible
high voltage discharges (tens of thousands) that can still get you after the
unit has been powered down and unplugged  for months ( capacitors hold a
charge ).

a TV tech can handle it safely. if you don't know what you're doing you can
be hurt bad.
i assume people have rarely been killed.

the CRT related parts of an apple computer are typically not manufacturer
rated for untrained techs to work on..

when it's an all-in-one,( including 9 monochrome screen units, the G3 iMac,
the beige AIO, the 5xxx types and the eMac) the flyback transformer is often
the issue, and unsafe to handle without some knowledge.

in my opinion this is a fool's errand because of the safety  issues. screw
around with
PCI cards or drives. they will get broken or fried, but the owner won't
be harmed.

if you know how to do it there is a procedure for draining power stored in
the caps.
not a safe procedure for a tinkerer making guesses.




On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:10 AM, lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com wrote:

 I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
 I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
 doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

 I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
 from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
 display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
 can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
 will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
 it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
 the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
 off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

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RE: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Dennis Myhand]

Yes, people have been killed screwing around with flybacks.  You are looking
at the potential discharge of tens of thousands of volts if you touch
certain things together.  At the least you are looking at the worst case of
flash blindness you could never imagine.  Unless you are skilled in CRT
repair, LEAVE IT ALONE!

 

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Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:20 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

 

flyback transformers are dangerous as hell.

a layman can learn to repair apple computers easily, as far as replacing
parts.
as long as you know what to replace.

CRT monitor components are an exception.

this repair has more in common with TV repair, and involves handling
possible
high voltage discharges (tens of thousands) that can still get you after the
unit has been powered down and unplugged  for months ( capacitors hold a
charge ).

a TV tech can handle it safely. if you don't know what you're doing you can
be hurt bad.
i assume people have rarely been killed.

the CRT related parts of an apple computer are typically not manufacturer
rated for untrained techs to work on..

when it's an all-in-one,( including 9 monochrome screen units, the G3 iMac,
the beige AIO, the 5xxx types and the eMac) the flyback transformer is often
the issue, and unsafe to handle without some knowledge.

in my opinion this is a fool's errand because of the safety  issues. screw
around with 
PCI cards or drives. they will get broken or fried, but the owner won't
be harmed.

if you know how to do it there is a procedure for draining power stored in
the caps.
not a safe procedure for a tinkerer making guesses.




On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:10 AM, lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com wrote:

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Jason Brown]

On 11/9/2010 1:10 AM, lrbarrios wrote:

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

I have experienced this phenomenon when the flyback transformer is 
going. Some others will be able to give better insight on the internal 
makeup of this model and what part you may need.


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initializing Hard drive

[MichaelP]

I've been learning my way around adding a second harddrive to a G4 
sawtooth, -- in the process of using Disk Utility and carbon clone copy 
sodtware I seem to have turned a working HD into one with problems.
  The first HD is working reliably as a start up with OS 10.3.9 qnd OD 
9.2.2 imstalled, but ccc cloning onto the second HD as target leaves me 
with a sparseimage file.

How do I expand that sparseimage file ?
 and get the expanded material available from the target file?

Do I need to initilize the second drive file ? If so how ?

Am I asking the right questions ?

 M.

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Re: initializing Hard drive

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:32 PM, MichaelP wrote:

 
 I've been learning my way around adding a second harddrive to a G4 
 sawtooth, -- in the process of using Disk Utility and carbon clone copy 
 sodtware I seem to have turned a working HD into one with problems.
  The first HD is working reliably as a start up with OS 10.3.9 qnd OD 
 9.2.2 imstalled, but ccc cloning onto the second HD as target leaves me 
 with a sparseimage file.
 

You have your CCC setup wrong, and are cloning it to a disk image, rather than 
the disk. You cannot boot from the disk image, but you can restore from it.

Go back through the CCC setup and help files.

You'll want to re-format the new disk just to clear things away.


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Re: initializing Hard drive

[Kris Tilford]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:32 PM, MichaelP wrote:


Do I need to initilize the second drive? If so how ?


You need to start over.

1) Boot OS 10.3.9 and run Disk UtilityVerify Disk and then Repair  
Permissions. If the Verify Disk has problems, you'll need to boot your  
Panther 10.3 Install CD and use Disk Utility to Repair Disk. Once the  
disk is verified or repaired, and the permissions are correct, go to  
step two.


2) While booted in OS 10.3.9 go to Disk Utility and initialize the new  
HD again. You'll want it to be HFS+ (extended) and if you're going to  
clone OS 9 or use OS 9 you'll need to check the additional box add OS  
9 drivers. Your new HD likely has a PC partition format Master Boot  
Record so you'll need to change this to Apple Partition Map before  
initializing. This is one of the most important things, and is likely  
your problem now.


3) Get the last version of CCC to work with Panther 10.3.9 and use it  
to clone over to the new HD. This should hopefully work without issues.



You might also want to consider upgrading to Tiger 10.4 with a clean  
installation on the new HD, and then use Migration Assistant to  
migrate everything for your old 10.3.9 over to a clean 10.4 System.  
Migration Assistant was introduced at the 10.3.5 Install DVD, so it's  
possible to use it with 10.3, but it's not present in the Retail 10.3  
CD, only 10.3.5 and newer DVDs. I find that clean installations using  
Migration Assistant are generally better than pure clones, but it's  
really not that big of deal unless you're upgrading a version such as  
from Panther to Tiger.


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Re: initializing Hard drive

[MichaelP]

Thanks Kris/ Bruce but I don't make sense of your response - Perhaps I 
didn't explain clearly.


I have a normally working Hard Drive A (28.51 GB)  and a second Hard 
Drive B (19.3 GB) both connected internally on a G$ Sawtooth. Both A 
and B appear as hard drive images on the DeskTop - the GET INFO command 
on A and on B indicates identical ownership and permission details . 
At this time B appears to contain ONLY a sparse image file of what 
Carbon Copy Clone produced with A as source and B as target. I don't 
recall moving that file from desktop to B -- in any case the desktop 
version is stil there


With A for startup, Disk Utility First Aid applied to B  currently 
offers prompt to verify disl or to repair disk
 Nothing about permissions 
- maybe because the only VISIBLE file is the sparseimage file resulting

  from CCC.{ I do NOT find DiskImageMounter in my setup}

See also interspersed comments below

  
  On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Kris Tilford wrote:

On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:32 PM, MichaelP wrote:


Do I need to initilize the second drive? If so how ?


You need to start over.

1) Boot OS 10.3.9 and run Disk UtilityVerify Disk and then Repair Permissions.
If the Verify Disk has problems, you'll need to boot your Panther 10.3 Install
CD and use Disk Utility to Repair Disk. Once the disk is verified or repaired,
and the permissions are correct, go to step two.

[I SAY   After Booting A - disk utility shows nothing about permission- 
I've also booted from my Mac OSX Update CD - and DU still sees no 
permission pprompts.]


2) While booted in OS 10.3.9 go to Disk Utility and initialize the new HD again.
You'll want it to be HFS+ (extended) and if you're going to clone OS 9 or use OS
9 you'll need to check the additional box add OS 9 drivers. Your new HD likely
has a PC partition format Master Boot Record so you'll need to change this to
Apple Partition Map before initializing. This is one of the most important
things, and is likely your problem now.

[Please specify - You say initialize - is that the same as erase ?]

3) Get the last version of CCC to work with Panther 10.3.9 and use it to clone
over to the new HD. This should hopefully work without issues.

[ Just checking - I use CCC 2.3 as the last version ... ]

You might also want to consider upgrading to Tiger 10.4 with a clean
installation on the new HD, and then use Migration Assistant to migrate
everything for your old 10.3.9 over to a clean 10.4 System. Migration Assistant
was introduced at the 10.3.5 Install DVD, so it's possible to use it with 10.3,
but it's not present in the Retail 10.3 CD, only 10.3.5 and newer DVDs. I find
that clean installations using Migration Assistant are generally better than
pure clones, but it's really not that big of deal unless you're upgrading a
version such as from Panther to Tiger.


Bruce sez

You have your CCC setup wrong, and are cloning it to a disk image, rather
than the disk. You cannot boot from the disk image, but you can restore 
from

it.

[ As far as I can
see I am cloning to a disk not to an image .  The ccc target prompt gives 
me no choice , ]


Go back through the CCC setup and help files.

You'll want to re-format the new disk just to clear things away.


[ As far a I know I can use DU to erase ( re-erase ? ) B  - I say 
reerase vecause I think my clone problem started after I erased whatwas 
originally a mac-formatted jard Drive  the first 
time




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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Peter Haas]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Chuck wrote:


you''ll get knocked across the room and a 20,000kV+ shock will pass
through your heart.
when you try to monkey around with this.


Its generally about 25 kV, but it is very seldom through one's heart.

All modern flybacks are of the bleeder type, and the potential  
which is stored across the aquadag of the CRT is very promptly  
dissipated by the bleeder within the flyback.


However, ANY repairs on a CRT's analog board must, necessarily, be  
effected by well-trained personnel.



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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Doug McNutt]

At 15:35 -0800 11/9/10, Peter Haas wrote:
However, ANY repairs on a CRT's analog board must, necessarily, be  effected 
by well-trained personnel.


Remembering that good advice. . .

It's possible, given the really possibility of bad storage by the previous 
owner, that you might luck out and need only to clean the wire that runs from 
the flyback to the picture tube. A layer of partially conductive crud on the 
high voltage insulators or on the back surface of the tube can make the 
intermittent sparks you report.

You DO need to discharge the tube though.. Unplugged from the wall for a week 
should do it. Personally I use a long metallic probe with a ground lead to the 
spring that usually grounds the carbon coating,  aquadag, on the tube to the 
metal of the computer box. I made the tool from an old long  screwdriver with a 
plastic handle and a clip lead. The procedure is to slide the grounded tool 
under the rubber cap that covers the connection to the tube in a way that makes 
contact with the center wire. If you're the slightest bit uncomfortable with 
that go for two weeks to get things discharged or find a friend who has done 
it. (I'm probably biased a bit.  I did my thesis with a 200,000 volt 
accelerator.)

Cleaning with some dry alcohol or even soap and water with a good rinse is 
pretty easy. Let it dry well and test.  You might luck out.  If not, it is the 
flyback, or possibly a cracked tube, and not worth fixing.


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Trying to bring a partition back to life

[MaGioZal]

Hi,

I am currently running Mac OS 9 and 10.4 on a Beige G3 PowerMac, and
recently the biggest, non-booting partition which contained alot of
softwares and data (from which I didn't make backup...:-/) just died
down after some forced shutdowns. I've tried 3 different tools of disk
recovery, but I've got no results, as can be seen on the gallery:


http://www.facebook.com/album.php?
aid=242341id=600905786l=1d59b51309

(the captions are in that strange language called Portuguese, but the
screenshots are in English. ;-))

Well, the big quetion is: qaht can I do now to rescue this partition?
Is there any free alternative or just DiskWarrior can help?

Best regards,



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Re: initializing Hard drive

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/09 13:32, MichaelP so eloquently wrote:

I've been learning my way around adding a second harddrive to a G4
sawtooth, -- in the process of using Disk Utility and carbon clone copy
sodtware I seem to have turned a working HD into one with problems.
   The first HD is working reliably as a start up with OS 10.3.9 qnd OD
9.2.2 imstalled, but ccc cloning onto the second HD as target leaves me
with a sparseimage file.

How do I expand that sparseimage file ?
  and get the expanded material available from the target file?

Do I need to initilize the second drive file ? If so how ?

Am I asking the right questions ?


Is this a hijacked thread, or is my mail client not sorting threads 
correctly? What should I look for in the full headers to determine if a 
message belongs in a thread or not?


I ask this question because I honestly do not know, I've tried to find a 
reference number in the full headers but haven't found anything that 
seems to link a thread together.


Tina

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Jonas Ulrich]

Why would you buy antivirus for mac I've never heard of anyone getting a
virus on a mac, and I never have before.

-Jonas

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Re: initializing Hard drive

[Kris Tilford]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Tina K. wrote:

Is this a hijacked thread, or is my mail client not sorting threads  
correctly?


Yes, it's hijacked. He hijacked PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'  
thread.


I think this thread needs to go off-list because it can't really help  
anyone other than the OP.


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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Richard Gerome]

   Hey Chuck,
   That wasn't fair to say that... I guess you do not know anything about 
the Clamshells HD's back in the day??? That is exactly how they sounded when a 
HD was going bad... They mentioned a G3 which is from that era... So I just 
figured that maybe the 3.5 drives may have done the same thing... There was 
talk about this issue in some older posts a couple yrs ago... 
   We are all here to help each other not criticize each other... Many more 
of the other posts referred them what is going bad... I didn't say it was for 
sure the HD, I just said it sounded to me like a bad HD...
   So please don't waste an email on these type of comments here... Thank 
You!!!  




-Original Message-
From: Chuck deadke...@gmail.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 10:06 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

anyone who points to a hard drive  about this issue  should not be allowed to
own or operate a computer.



On 11/9/10, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote:


It most certainly sounds to me like it's the Hard Drive going bad... I've
 had, out of all the Apples I have owned and worked on only 2 Clamshells do
 this (one of them I bought brand new and Apple Care replaced it) and in both
 the HD was the issue... My Apple use goes back to 1996...



 -Original Message-
From: lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:10 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

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27 Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Bill Connelly]

Is there an adapter that will achieve full resolution possibilities of  
the 27 Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED), while using an ATI Radeon  
9800Pro Mac Edition?


I'm currently using the ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB AGP card in my  
Digital Audio Dual 533, but could move it and resume work in a  
Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz.


Or to get such a monitor, should I spring for an iMac?

What other monitors might I consider ... need reasonably priced ones  
with high resolution for photography / artistic work.


Thanks.

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Re: 27 Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

 Is there an adapter that will achieve full resolution possibilities of the 
 27 Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED), while using an ATI Radeon 9800Pro 
 Mac Edition?
 
 I'm currently using the ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB AGP card in my Digital Audio 
 Dual 533, but could move it and resume work in a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz.
 
 Or to get such a monitor, should I spring for an iMac?
 
 What other monitors might I consider ... need reasonably priced ones with 
 high resolution for photography / artistic work.
 
 Thanks.


My advice? spring for the imac:-) Jeff

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Andrew Liu Anderson]

Tina K. wrote:


On 2010/11/09 10:11, Jim Scott so eloquently wrote:


It is possible to replace the flyback transformer.



I'm not familiar with a Power Mac AIO, is it similar to a G3 iMac? If 
so, isn't there a potentially large jolt of current waiting to shock 
someone if they don't discharge it first?


  In the case of a flyback transformer, it's more voltage than current. 
But it only takes about 15ma to stop a Human heart. 20,000 to 30,000 
volts (depending in the design of the equipment) is certainly more than 
enough to push 15ma through a Human skin.


  Not to put anyone down, or insult anyone's intelligence, BUT!!! If a 
person is not able to recognize a flyback problem on their own, they 
probably don't have the electronics training or experience to be 
tinkering around with a CRT or flyback transformer.


  $5.00 wasted is hardly worth mentioning. But $5,000.00 (minimum) for 
a funeral + the loss of a loved one is not worth any computer, no matter 
how Classic it may be.


Cheers,
Drew


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Monitor clarification on G3, G4 computers

[Jonas Lopez]

Monitor clarification on G3, G4 computers

We have just received about 20 G3's, but they were told the CRTs were dangerous 
and hazardous and so had to be disposed of in the special trash. 

So we have no monitors.

As I understand it, the G4 uses the same as the windows and so monitors are 
plentiful, but the G3 uses older Mac specific connectors. 

Is there a converter for old mac to new monitor and where and at what cost.

This donation may not work out as the monitor issues are not surmountable for a 
price of free or close to it.

JML

I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway





  

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Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life

[onelucent]

Actually, in OS 9, I have had good luck with Disk Doctor.  It may  
take multiple runs, each time getting a little further.  I may skip  
Media Check so it concentrates on the Disk Directory.  Usually, the  
hardest thing is to capture the partition, so don't give up.  Often,  
Norton will capture (i.e. mount) a partition that Disk First Aid  
can't.  Yes, Disk Warrior is good, best run from the CD itself, if  
possible.  Lastly, for OS 9, you still have some mounting utilities.   
Again, they often capture a partition that Disk First Aid can't in my  
experience.  Good luck.




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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Richard Gerome]

   I'm not familiar with that computer either just like Tina stated here and 
she has offered a lot of insight here too... But if there is that kind of 
energy stored in there I'm sure Apple put a Warning Label on it so no one 
would get zapped??? I hope??? Or there would have been some Law Suits for sure 
if someone died... Also before I ever tare something apart I will always look 
for a manual somewhere to see how it's done... I know a lot about capacitors, 
condensers, coils you name it all sorts of voltage devises that will store, 
increase or reduce voltage in a lot electronic devises... Went to Engineering 
School and learned about it there and also went to Automotive School and 
learned about it too, AC and DC and I'm not talking about that band either 
(which I think they suck)...   




-Original Message-
From: Chuck deadke...@gmail.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 4:51 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

someone wrote:

 I would assume that any prudent person who's a member of this list
would be aware of the dangers of imprudently playing around with
high-voltage devices.

that's a very bad assumption. possibly causing a human to die.

show me a thousand list member mac tinkerers,and i will show you
about  five hundred who are utterly unaware there is an issue, and
about three to five  people who can handle it correctly.

at least half of  people who earn a living fixing macs cannot handle
this issue safely, and don't try.

go ahead and spout condescending, irrational and dismissive  baloney.

you''ll get knocked across the room and a 20,000kV+ shock will pass
through your heart.
when you try to monkey around with this.

good luck with that plan. i approve.

natural selection is a good  thing.

condescension of that type was not allowed to survive in the  human
gene pool 40,000 years ago and there's no need for it to survive now.
~~

On 11/9/10, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2010/11/09 10:50, Jim Scott so eloquently wrote:
 It's the Power Macintosh G3 All-In-One, and it is similar to the
 first-generation G3 iMac, except it has a bland beige case with a
 perforated white top that looks like a dental molar, hence the nickname
 G3 Molar. It also has a case of elephantiasis, compared to the 35-pound
 G3 iMac with similar specs. Go here to learn more (check out the 266 MHz
 version
 too):http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_233_aio.html.

 Thank you for the link, I see that it was an Education only model which
 is probably why I am not familiar with it.

 Yes, as with any cathode ray tube powered by a flyback transformer, safe
 CRT discharge practices should be observed. My point is that it is
 possible to replace just the FBT. I would assume that any prudent person
 who's a member of this list would be aware of the dangers of imprudently
 playing around with high-voltage devices.

 I agree, but better safe then sorry. Especially since LCDs have almost
 completely replaced CRTs there may be some that have forgotten about the
 risk, or have never opened a CRT before.

 Tina

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Richard Gerome]

Also Chuck,
   He never stated it was coming from the monitor??? He said it was coming from 
under the hood... Where and what is the hood here??? The only thing that I 
thought he was talking about was the panel on the tower??? The only thing that 
I know of that has a hood is a car... Oh yeah the ones from Europe call it the 
Bonnet... This is why I thought it could have been the HD...




-Original Message-
From: lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:10 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?


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