Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Dan]

At 7:22 PM -0800 11/28/2011, David W. Morris wrote:

my Passport external hard drive.


(and the robot's arms start to flail whilst it yell Danger! Danger!)

That is when I found out that the Passport does not get recognized 
by the G4 PowerBook at all when plugged in to either of the USB 
ports.


We've covered this before in various threads.  WD (My)Passport drives 
suck.  Stay away from them.  There are numerous firmware / corruption 
/ data loss issues, that WD has never managed to resolve.  It's so 
bad that even WD says they're not to be used as boot volumes on Macs.


the Passport does not get recognized by the G4 PowerBook at all when 
plugged in to either of the USB ports.


Explain please "does not get recognized".  Exactly what happens or 
doesn't happen.


That is when I did some research and found that Western Digital's 
Passport external drives come in two flavors, one for Windows and 
one for MacOSX.  Does anyone here know how to get my Passport drive 
to be usable with my G4 PowerBook?


"for Mac" simply means that they slapped a HFS+ partition and Mac 
craplets on it, instead of FAT or NTFS.


If the drive doesn't seem to be spinning up, and if it's one of the 
models that has no external power supply... some of the Passport 
drives violate the USB spec by trying to draw more power than is 
permitted.  Macs, especially older ones, don't tolerate that too 
well.  The solution there is to try a powered or overpowered hub, or 
one of those splitter cables that lets you plug into two separate USB 
buses simultaneously, to leech the xtra power.


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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[JohnCarmonne]

On Nov 28, 2011, at 7:22 PM, David W. Morris wrote:
> 
> That is when I did some research and found that Western Digital's Passport 
> external drives come in two flavors, one for Windows and one for MacOSX.  
> Does anyone here know how to get my Passport drive to be usable with my G4 
> PowerBook?  Since giving away my MacBook to my Son, my G4 PowerBook is my 
> most used computer (due to my back condition that keeps me in bed now and the 
> PowerBook being my only laptop, of the 15 or 20 computers I have here at 
> home).  I would really like to get this Passport external drive working with 
> MacOSX 10.5.8 and MorphOS3.0 beta on my G4 PowerBook.
> 
> AmigaDave from Big Bear Lake, Calif.

You need to format the drive "Apple Partition Map" in disk Utility under the 
Partition tab. The option button will allow you to select it.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem

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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[David W. Morris]

This discussion regarding external hard drives vs online back-up sites  
reminded me to ask about my Passport external hard drive.  It is a  
750gb 2.5" drive that I was using with my Intel MacBook without the  
SmartDrive software that comes preloaded on the drive.  I used it with  
TimeMachine to backup my MacBook for a while, but when I gave away my  
MacBook to my youngest Son as a graduation present when he left to go  
to college after High School, I kept the Passport external drive to  
use with my 1.67GHz G4 17-inch PowerBook, model 5.9 (the last one's  
made).  That is when I found out that the Passport does not get  
recognized by the G4 PowerBook at all when plugged in to either of the  
USB ports.


That is when I did some research and found that Western Digital's  
Passport external drives come in two flavors, one for Windows and one  
for MacOSX.  Does anyone here know how to get my Passport drive to be  
usable with my G4 PowerBook?  Since giving away my MacBook to my Son,  
my G4 PowerBook is my most used computer (due to my back condition  
that keeps me in bed now and the PowerBook being my only laptop, of  
the 15 or 20 computers I have here at home).  I would really like to  
get this Passport external drive working with MacOSX 10.5.8 and  
MorphOS3.0 beta on my G4 PowerBook.


AmigaDave from Big Bear Lake, Calif.
1.67GHz G4 15-inch PowerBook w/MorphOS3.0 beta, 1.67GHz G4 17-inch  
PowerBook w/dual boot MacOSX & MorphOS3.0 beta, Dual 1.42GHz G4 MDD  
PowerMac w/Triple boot MorphOS2.7/MacOSX/Ubuntu10.10, Dual 2.7GHz G5  
PowerMac w/Triple boot MorphOS2.7/MacOSX/Ubuntu10.10 and more than a  
dozen Amiga's with Motorola 680x0 CPU's inside and one Windows  
computer with a 3.0GHz Quad Core Extreme.


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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[JohnCarmonne]

On Nov 28, 2011, at 1:19 PM, diane wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dan  wrote:
> At 5:06 AM -0500 11/28/2011, Jennings Campbell wrote:
> I find it amazing, considering this is a Mac oriented group that no one 
> mentioned LaCie drives.
> I have found them to be robust but a bit pricier. Just one person's 
> experience is limited data, but I felt the omission to be glaring.
> 
> LaCie's boxes are great.  Love 'em.
> 
> But like all VARs, they use standard mechanisms.  The boxes I have contained 
> Seagate mechanisms originally.
> 
> - Dan.
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> 
> That's funny because I'd swear the 1.2gb drive I had in my old Apple External 
> 1280 hard drive WAS a LaCie in an Apple case. I may have it kicking around 
> here somewhere still too.
> 
> Diane 

As stated earlier LaCie is an enclosure manufacturer they don't produce hard 
drives and never have. I'd venture to say if you open that LaCie box you'll 
find a Seagate or WD If very old it will be a Quantum or Maxtor;-.)


John Carmonne
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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Dan]

At 4:19 PM -0500 11/28/2011, diane wrote:

LaCie's boxes are great.  Love 'em.

But like all VARs, they use standard mechanisms.  The boxes I have 
contained Seagate mechanisms originally.


That's funny because I'd swear the 1.2gb drive I had in my old Apple 
External 1280 hard drive WAS a LaCie in an Apple case. I may have it 
kicking around here somewhere still too.


LaCie sold some branded drive mechanisms.  Like Apple branded drives 
that were actually made by Quantum.  And at one point, LaCie was 
owned by Quantum.


An interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaCie

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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:19 PM, diane wrote:

> That's funny because I'd swear the 1.2gb drive I had in my old Apple External 
> 1280 hard drive WAS a LaCie in an Apple case. I may have it kicking around 
> here somewhere still too.

La Cie has never made drives, only enclosures. Now, they, like Apple, may have 
put their own label on the drive..I've seen Dell and Compaq do the same, long 
ago. 

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Re: Upgrade question

[RTOWSLEY]

In a message dated 11/28/11 5:52:36 AM, skyler.r...@gmail.com writes:


> OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as 
> an  *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor".  What I really need to know is if 
> it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:
> 
> > On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote:
> >
> >> I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use 
> Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't 
> seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> >
> >
> > A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, 
> which include "PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor":
> > 
> 
> 
> If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to 
> run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's.
> 
> 
Skyler,
My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 & a DA with Sonnet 
1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench 
scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55.

 I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram & 
a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water 
cooled quad cores. My 2.3 XBenched at 101 out of the box.
When you compare the G5 to the G4, even to the DP MDD, there is a huge 
difference for the money & I'm saying that as a G4 lover & holdout.
BobT

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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[diane]

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dan  wrote:

> At 5:06 AM -0500 11/28/2011, Jennings Campbell wrote:
>
>> I find it amazing, considering this is a Mac oriented group that no one
>> mentioned LaCie drives.
>> I have found them to be robust but a bit pricier. Just one person's
>> experience is limited data, but I felt the omission to be glaring.
>>
>
> LaCie's boxes are great.  Love 'em.
>
> But like all VARs, they use standard mechanisms.  The boxes I have
> contained Seagate mechanisms originally.
>
> - Dan.
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That's funny because I'd swear the 1.2gb drive I had in my old Apple
External 1280 hard drive WAS a LaCie in an Apple case. I may have it
kicking around here somewhere still too.

Diane

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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[diane]

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:06 AM, Jennings Campbell wrote:

> I find it amazing, considering this is a Mac oriented group that no one
> mentioned LaCie drives.
> I have found them to be robust but a bit pricier. Just one person's
> experience is limited data, but I felt the omission to be glaring.
>
>
Don't give everyone the secret!  :P

Seriously, my two externals are LaCie and I just ordered a third Saturday.
The first and last were from their outlet store. With the 2nd I somehow
found a new one at a different site for less.

OTOH I suspect one of my 3 year old internal Seagates have failed good
thing it was a clone and they have a 5 year warranty.

Diane

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Re: Excluding from Quick Look

[imrazor]

On Nov 28, 12:18 pm, Dan  wrote:
> This is driving me a bit nutz...
>
> Quick Look is perusing too much.  Eventually it runs into files that
> make it, or QTKit, etc, crash.  Then launchd restarts it, and the
> crash cycle continues.
>
> How does one tell Quick Look to NOT peruse things?
> Exclude by file type?  Exclude by directory tree?
>
> Thx,
> - Dan.
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Probably not the answer you're looking for, but you could use a
utility like Lingon to tell launchd not to start Quicklook at all.

Eric

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Re: Upgrade question

[David W. Morris]

The Apple 1.25GHz Dual G4 Processor will only work in the Mirror Drive  
Door PowerMac models, not your Quicksilver.


You should look for a Sonnet 1.8GHz upgrade, or there was a company  
that made a 2.0GHz upgrade for the Quicksilver, but they are extremely  
hard to find.



On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote:

I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use  
Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor,  
but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would  
be greatly appreciated.


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Excluding from Quick Look

[Dan]

This is driving me a bit nutz...

Quick Look is perusing too much.  Eventually it runs into files that 
make it, or QTKit, etc, crash.  Then launchd restarts it, and the 
crash cycle continues.


How does one tell Quick Look to NOT peruse things?
Exclude by file type?  Exclude by directory tree?

Thx,
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Re: Would you share....

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:51 AM, t...@io.com wrote:




On Nov 23, 11:11 pm, Nestamicky  wrote:
your best Black Friday deal...I know I'm looking for a SATA Hard  
drive

for desktop...


I haven't seen any Black Friday sales as good as some of the deals I
saw during the year, on much of anything.   Of course hard drive
prices may be higher because of the supply issues.

During the past year, I bought Hitachi 5K3000 2TB, drives for $70 each
with a $10 rebate, yielding a total price of $60 each.

If you can wait, such deals will probably come around again,
eventually.  I notice that those drives on Newegg are now $199.
Yeesh.

Jeff Walther

 Seagate 2TB drives at Costco for $89.00 every day , limit 2 , and  
the warranty is good after you rip the drive from the USB enclosure:-)  
Plan to go the next day and get two more and so on.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA 92886
From iMac Core Duo 2.0



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Re: Would you share....

[t...@io.com]

On Nov 23, 11:11 pm, Nestamicky  wrote:
> your best Black Friday deal...I know I'm looking for a SATA Hard drive
> for desktop...

I haven't seen any Black Friday sales as good as some of the deals I
saw during the year, on much of anything.   Of course hard drive
prices may be higher because of the supply issues.

During the past year, I bought Hitachi 5K3000 2TB, drives for $70 each
with a $10 rebate, yielding a total price of $60 each.

If you can wait, such deals will probably come around again,
eventually.  I notice that those drives on Newegg are now $199.
Yeesh.

Jeff Walther

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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 28-11-2011 14:57, Barry Levine ha scritto:

> IIRC, LaCie external HD's originally contained Quantum HD's - back in the
> day when 40MB and 80MB was alot, and SCSI was the standard! The drives we
> had lasted for years past their obsolescence, with daily use. Whereas I
> can't even keep track of the Western Digital drives I've had fail.
It seems to me you're relying on far past events...

Alas, everything changes, and this is especially true with technology.
A brand reputable years ago, might not be anymore nowadays.
When doing my research about HDs, I noticed this is true for HD brands as
well.
So, thinking that what was the best five years ago, still is the best, can
be misleading.

> Wasn't Quantum was absorbed by Maxtor? Maxtor HD's in my experience have
> lasted pretty well also. Of course, YMMV.
AFAIK, Quantum is long dead.
Maxtor nowadays has one of the worst reputation (and I can add my personal:
several Maxtor failures in recent years).
OTOH, WD had bad reputation years ago, but recently is held as one of the
best (actually, WD is one of the 2 or 3 HD makers remaining).

So, when thinking about buying HDs, one has to consider *recent*
experience/feedback, not what was true long ago.
IMHO. :-)

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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Dan]

At 3:25 AM + 11/28/2011, janespra...@comcast.net wrote:
I was watching Black Friday ads for an external 2tb drive for back 
ups. Offcie Max had a Seagate GoFlex 2tb for $75. But I was too late 
to get one. Then I started researching the Seagates online for 
prices. In my search, I came across terrible reviews for the 
Seagates. I remembered that there was a discussion on this list 
about them and it wasn't in their favor! So Seagate drives are off 
my list.


1. So, what brand would  any of you suggest for an external drive?


Separate in your mind the drive mechanism & box, from the provided software.

WRT drive mechanisms, Seagate and Hitachi are perhaps the best, year 
in and year out, IMO.  In my experience, they have the lowest failure 
rates.  Western Digital laptop size drives are very good.  But I do 
NOT recommend WD's LP (standard size) drives in any way.


As to the software... therein lies the problems.  On your Mac you 
already have Disk Utility.  And, depending on your OS version, etc, 
you have tools like Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner and or 
SuperDuper.  That's it.  That's all you need.  (well, maybe add 
DiskWarrior to handle the rare instance when a file system gets 
really farked).  *Ignore* the craplets that come with/on the drive. 
Such craplets are provided because the consumer (aka windoze lemming) 
market expects them.  They're not things to be used by real users.


AND when you get a new drive, *before* you put your data on it, zero 
it!  Use Disk Utility to write zeros over the whole thing.  This will 
ensure that the drive is fully functional.  It will map out any bad 
blocks that have grown during its mistreatment, er a shipment and 
warehouse cooking.  One pass is good enough.


2. I also have been looking at online backup sites, in addition to a 
physical back up. Carbonite looks good to me, but I am not familiar 
with the pros and cons of online. I would value your opinion.


Offsite storage of your backups are a great idea.  But IMO, putting 
your data in the hands of an unknown 3rd party, with 
who-knows-how-much vetting of employees, that refuses to disclose 
their actual set-up, and claims NO liability for your data's 
integrity, and has had large outages & data loss, is  not a good 
idea.


A better idea is to have several external HDs, and rotate them off 
site now and then.  The 'ole sock-drawer method.


...An example of yet-another Carbonite failure:  A guy on one of the 
mac irc channels I haunt was just saying *today* that he's been 
working since last Wednesday to restore some large files that were 
lost because of a local HD failure.  Since Wednesday!  6 DAYS!  And 
he's making no progress!


Aside: We've had a few threads on the LEM lists about Dropbox 
recently.  It should be noted that Dropbox is a cloud synchronization 
service, NOT a backup service.  It's great for sync'ing files between 
machines, and quick small backups (especially while traveling!).



At 8:47 PM -0800 11/27/2011, JohnCarmonne wrote:

Too slow for large drives.


John makes a very valid point.  Assumin you've bought enough capacity 
on the service, the initial backup is limited to your upstream speed. 
(hoping that your ISP doesn't shut you down for blowing their upload 
caps).  Subsequent incrementals won't be too bad.  Restorations will 
only happen at your downstream speed, +/- your ISP's downstream caps. 
If you lose a whole drive, can you afford the days that will take?


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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Dan]

At 5:06 AM -0500 11/28/2011, Jennings Campbell wrote:
I find it amazing, considering this is a Mac oriented group that no 
one mentioned LaCie drives.
I have found them to be robust but a bit pricier. Just one person's 
experience is limited data, but I felt the omission to be glaring.


LaCie's boxes are great.  Love 'em.

But like all VARs, they use standard mechanisms.  The boxes I have 
contained Seagate mechanisms originally.


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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/27 20:25, janespra...@comcast.net so eloquently wrote:

1. So, what brand would any of you suggest for an external drive?


I should have mentioned that Western Digital's enterprise drives are warranted for 
5 years and have a good reputation. They cost a bit more, but worth it in my mind.


Also it is a good idea to maintain an incremental backup, a la Time Machine, for 
retrieving data that has been lost or corrupted; and a bootable backup with Carbon 
Copy Cloner or Super Duper! so you can get back up and running quickly in the 
event of a catastrophic failure.



Tina

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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/27 20:25, janespra...@comcast.net so eloquently wrote:

1. So, what brand would any of you suggest for an external drive?


If you want a ready to go solution I recommend OWC's external drive enclosures.

Personally I prefer to put my own together using enclosures that have Oxford 
firewire chips & a drive of my choosing. I believe this method is also a little 
bit cheaper.



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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:25 PM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote:



2. I also have been looking at online backup sites, in addition to a  
physical back up. Carbonite looks good to me, but I am not familiar  
with the pros and cons of online. I would value your opinion.


Jane

 I don't trust that the files on Carbonite and other sites will be  
user friendly to a Mac if I need to get them. I have an office manager  
that uses one of these sites and he has to reinstall all the  
applications each time he messes up the WindBloze box. I rely on CCC  
and Drop Box for all my backups. CCC can get you back and if you keep  
up to date copies of critical files on Drop Box you'll always have  
what you need if disaster strikes. You can get a 2TB portable HHD for  
under $100.00 now days, just make a CCC and put it in your car if  
you're concerned about theft, fire, or invasion:-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA 92886
From iMac Core Duo 2.0



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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[JohnCarmonne]

On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:57 AM, Barry Levine wrote:

> on 11/28/11 8:10 AM, JohnCarmonne at carmo...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> LaCie doesn't make hard drives they only make the enclosure.
> 
> IIRC, LaCie external HD's originally contained Quantum HD's - back in the
> day when 40MB and 80MB was alot, and SCSI was the standard! The drives we
> had lasted for years past their obsolescence, with daily use. Whereas I
> can't even keep track of the Western Digital drives I've had fail.
> 
> Wasn't Quantum was absorbed by Maxtor? Maxtor HD's in my experience have
> lasted pretty well also. Of course, YMMV.
> 
> Online backup seems like a good insurance policy to me against local data
> loss due to fire etc;  although I'm not making much use of it yet, other
> than mailing a few important files to my gmail account - which makes no
> guarantees.
> 
> Barry
> 

The most drive failures I've had were the Maxtor's and 2.5 Toshiba's I have 12 
Hitachi 2TB's and many Seagate drives running 24/7 no problems with these 
drives. But the WD's were problematic  it was mostly the enclosure and not the 
bare drive.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Barry Levine]

on 11/28/11 8:10 AM, JohnCarmonne at carmo...@aol.com wrote:

> LaCie doesn't make hard drives they only make the enclosure.

IIRC, LaCie external HD's originally contained Quantum HD's - back in the
day when 40MB and 80MB was alot, and SCSI was the standard! The drives we
had lasted for years past their obsolescence, with daily use. Whereas I
can't even keep track of the Western Digital drives I've had fail.

Wasn't Quantum was absorbed by Maxtor? Maxtor HD's in my experience have
lasted pretty well also. Of course, YMMV.

Online backup seems like a good insurance policy to me against local data
loss due to fire etc;  although I'm not making much use of it yet, other
than mailing a few important files to my gmail account - which makes no
guarantees.

Barry

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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[JohnCarmonne]

On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:06 AM, Jennings Campbell wrote:

> I find it amazing, considering this is a Mac oriented group that no one 
> mentioned LaCie drives.
> I have found them to be robust but a bit pricier. Just one person's 
> experience is limited data, but I felt the omission to be glaring.
> 

LaCie doesn't make hard drives they only make the enclosure.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Jennings Campbell]

I find it amazing, considering this is a Mac oriented group that no one
mentioned LaCie drives.
I have found them to be robust but a bit pricier. Just one person's
experience is limited data, but I felt the omission to be glaring.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Bruce Ryan  wrote:

> Hi Jane
> > 2. I also have been looking at online backup sites, in addition to a
> physical back up. Carbonite looks good to me, but I am not familiar with
> the pros and cons of online. I would value your opinion.
>
> pro
> - if your mac and backup become unavailable (as might happen if your house
> burns down or is burgled), you can get your data back!
> - backups should be available 24/7, so if you're away from your mac and
> find you need some data, you can download it to a computer where you are
> right now
> - backups will be encrypted and held in secure premises
> - providing the hardware is the online provider's problem
> - if you have several macs/PCs to back up, even if they are on several
> sites, you may be able to buy a family deal.
>
> con
> - slow initial upload speed (It took about 30 days to upload 150 GB of
> data from my mac.)
> - need to have internet access to retrieve stuff
> - costs are ongoing (but hard disks don't last forever)
> - backups are encrypted - you need to remember your login details if you
> want to retrieve data and are away from the mac that's connected to your
> account
>
> Both local HDs and online should offer incremental backup, so that you can
> retrieve previous versions of files.
>
> To get around these limitations, I suggest doing both.
> - Time Machine hourly incremental backups (or CarbonCopyCloner daily
> incremental backups) to a local HD will provide immediate access to stuff
> at home, without any need to go online, remember passwords, etc.
> - Online backup is there as a last resort or for when you're away from
> home and find you don't have the files you need.
>
> I've had good experience with CrashPlan (good customer service, a family
> deal to cover up to 10 computers for $6 per month). They also offer a
> service where you can use their software to back up to another device on a
> another site (such as a friend's mac or PC) for free. Of course, this
> depends on having a friend who has drive space and will leave their mac
> switched on and online for you to backup to it. IIRC data would be
> encrypted so your friend couldn't access your data unless you give away
> your password.)
>
> I can't comment on how CrashPlan compares to other online backup
> providers. Of course, CrashPlan **claims** to be better - see
> http://www.crashplan.com/business/compare.html#stackup. You might want to
> try them and other providers' trial periods to see which suits you.
>
> I hope this helps and isn't patronising.
>
> Bruce
>
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Re: Upgrade question

[Skyler Rudd]

OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as
an  *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor".  What I really need to know is if
it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne  wrote:

>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote:
> >
> >> I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use
> Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I
> can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
> >
> >
> > A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements,
> which include "PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor":
> > 
>
>
> If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to
> run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's.
>
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda CA
> 92886 USA
> MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Jonas Ulrich]

I have two 1TB hard drives that are in my main computer. One is a Hitachi,
and the other is a Western Digital. Never had any problems with either of
them. I've had them for more than a year, and the computer, including both
hard drives are have been running 24/7.

I would be a little worried about trusting online backups, because you
never know if you can really trust that your data will remain there, or if
it will remain private. That may just be my paranoia speaking of course...

I would get two hard drives, and have the primary set to backup everything
onto the other drive on a regular basis. One might go bad, but it's very
unlikely that both will go bad at the same time.

Just my 2 cents.

-Jonas

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Fwd: External hard drive vs. online back up sites

[Bruce Ryan]

Hi Jane
> 2. I also have been looking at online backup sites, in addition to a physical 
> back up. Carbonite looks good to me, but I am not familiar with the pros and 
> cons of online. I would value your opinion.

pro
- if your mac and backup become unavailable (as might happen if your house 
burns down or is burgled), you can get your data back!
- backups should be available 24/7, so if you're away from your mac and find 
you need some data, you can download it to a computer where you are right now
- backups will be encrypted and held in secure premises
- providing the hardware is the online provider's problem
- if you have several macs/PCs to back up, even if they are on several sites, 
you may be able to buy a family deal. 

con
- slow initial upload speed (It took about 30 days to upload 150 GB of data 
from my mac.)
- need to have internet access to retrieve stuff
- costs are ongoing (but hard disks don't last forever)
- backups are encrypted - you need to remember your login details if you want 
to retrieve data and are away from the mac that's connected to your account

Both local HDs and online should offer incremental backup, so that you can 
retrieve previous versions of files. 

To get around these limitations, I suggest doing both.
- Time Machine hourly incremental backups (or CarbonCopyCloner daily 
incremental backups) to a local HD will provide immediate access to stuff at 
home, without any need to go online, remember passwords, etc.
- Online backup is there as a last resort or for when you're away from home and 
find you don't have the files you need.

I've had good experience with CrashPlan (good customer service, a family deal 
to cover up to 10 computers for $6 per month). They also offer a service where 
you can use their software to back up to another device on a another site (such 
as a friend's mac or PC) for free. Of course, this depends on having a friend 
who has drive space and will leave their mac switched on and online for you to 
backup to it. IIRC data would be encrypted so your friend couldn't access your 
data unless you give away your password.)

I can't comment on how CrashPlan compares to other online backup providers. Of 
course, CrashPlan **claims** to be better - see 
http://www.crashplan.com/business/compare.html#stackup. You might want to try 
them and other providers' trial periods to see which suits you.

I hope this helps and isn't patronising.

Bruce

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