Re: G4 PowerBook can't boot from Tiger Install DVD
At 10:35 PM -0500 1/29/2012, Barry Levine wrote: So have we decided it's OK to share info about mac laptops? It's a G4, covered by this list. It's a laptop - once removed rule - so ok. (Remembering how and why a previous G4 laptop query was deep-sixed... A seemingly arbitrary exclusion.) Yea, well, sometimes it's better to help a user in need than to fret over nitpicking rules. The point of the rules is to keep the s:n up, and the noise itself to a dull roar. The LEM lists have been so quiet recently,,, ... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 PowerBook can't boot from Tiger Install DVD
So have we decided it's OK to share info about mac laptops? (Remembering how and why a previous G4 laptop query was deep-sixed... A seemingly arbitrary exclusion.) BL > From: Dan > Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:14:13 -0500 > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: G4 PowerBook can't boot from Tiger Install DVD > > At 11:25 AM -0800 1/16/2012, David W. Morris wrote: >> After upgrading one of my G4 PowerBook's to a WD 320gb PATA hard >> drive, it will no longer boot using my Tiger Install DVD. >> >> I first thought the hard drive was bad (brand new drive), then I >> thought I had made a mistake in taking apart and putting back >> together my PowerBook. Eventually I took out the drive and >> re-installed my old hard drive and the PowerBook ran fine again. > > Normally, the HD would have nothing to do with booting from another > device -- unless it was somehow farking the bus. So by adding the > new device, you have somehow blocked the bootstrap (and probably > other functions) from reaching the other device. > > Ok... Perhaps you mixed the modes? If the ide devices in the > powerbook were originally set as master and slave, then you replaced > the master but set the new device to cable select, that would leave > the slave dangling off a cliff. Or vice versa. Either way, the bus > would be a bit irked... > > (this is off the top of my head as I don't have the PB docs currently). > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 PowerBook can't boot from Tiger Install DVD
At 11:25 AM -0800 1/16/2012, David W. Morris wrote: After upgrading one of my G4 PowerBook's to a WD 320gb PATA hard drive, it will no longer boot using my Tiger Install DVD. I first thought the hard drive was bad (brand new drive), then I thought I had made a mistake in taking apart and putting back together my PowerBook. Eventually I took out the drive and re-installed my old hard drive and the PowerBook ran fine again. Normally, the HD would have nothing to do with booting from another device -- unless it was somehow farking the bus. So by adding the new device, you have somehow blocked the bootstrap (and probably other functions) from reaching the other device. Ok... Perhaps you mixed the modes? If the ide devices in the powerbook were originally set as master and slave, then you replaced the master but set the new device to cable select, that would leave the slave dangling off a cliff. Or vice versa. Either way, the bus would be a bit irked... (this is off the top of my head as I don't have the PB docs currently). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Recommend USB UD for backups
At 7:02 AM -0800 1/17/2012, Bill wrote: [eliminated the goto by moving this stuff to the top] Quicksilver G4, Two internal HDs, Leopard, Tiger, and OS 9. The WD (My Book Essential) that I have been using for backups (via Time Machine on 10.5.8, and 10.4.11) now refuses to mount. I have tried everything to get it to show up on the Desktop under 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 but to no avail. WD externals. heh. Not very reliable. And older ones are totally not recommended on Macs. OTOH, Time Machine is known to shoot itself in the head quite often. It corrupts its own backup volumes, sometimes to the point they won't even mount. This is why we consider TM to be a cute hourly incremental system and recommend using CCC or SuperDuper for your real backups. Turn Time Machine OFF, then try connecting the drive. Check your system.log for error messages. Try a different cable. Try a different port. Does the drive sound like it's spinning up? Can the drive be seen by Disk Utility at all? Can someone recommend a reliable USB Hard Drive that I should use? Anything not WD. My fav these days is to buy an external case and stick a Hitachi or Seagate mechanism in it. The normal oogle of vendors have a great selection. Also check locals stores like Office Despot, as they often have great sales. Lately I've been getting cheap externals, even refirbs, from sites like eCost.com. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport dilemma
On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Bruce Ryan wrote: >> G4 Cube and Quicksilver both donated and for use for the 16-yr old kid to >> reverse explore Apple/Mac have newly installed 10.4.11. Both accept Airport. >> Both show and allow a choice of network (my home) but show an error message. >> Error connecting to AirPort network etc. >> >> My own and the kid's iBook and Pad connect without problem, went into >> keychain to be certain of the password and still neither the Cube or Q/S >> will complete the connection. > > 10·4·11 only understands WEP and LEAP wireless security schemes. 10·5·x > understands these and WPA wireless security. 10·6·x and later (such as your > iDevices) understand all of these and WPA2. 10.4.11 understands WPA. With an Airport (original) you are limited to WPA/TKIP. 10.4.11 with later Airport cards isn't limited. There is an Apple article on it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 quad with different S/N
That's actually more common than you think. I have the official Apple Internal "Intel Reserializer" tool. It is software that allows you to change a serial number to match the one on the case if you had to swap the Logic Board out. -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson On 1/16/12 10:36 AM, "JOHN CARMONNE" wrote: > >On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeffrey balfus wrote: > >> I have a G5 with different serial numbers. The origin logic board >> died and was replaced by Apple, the new part has a different serial >> number to ID the computer. >> >> Jeff >> > I have a PM G5 dual 2.7 with the serial number on an Apple refurb >sticker on the case door opening at the bottom of the latch area. The >MOBO doesn't report a serial number in profiler. > >John Carmonne >Yorba Linda CA 92886 > From iMac Core Duo 2.0 > > > > > > > >-- >You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group >for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on >Power Macs. >The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our >netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ie 5.0
> Well, the web site puts up a page stating browser requirement. Attempts to > ignore and use Firefox 3.6.x results in long waits and or errors. > Tried so far: > IE 5.1.7 (OS 9), 5.2.0 > FF 3.6.25 Want to try IE 5.2.3? Edinburgh Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ie 5.0
On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: On 1/14/12 2:41 PM, David W. Morris wrote: Many web browsers have the ability to spoof as different browsers. Maybe your web browser can spoof as ie 5.0? Sounds very strange that an employment form would only allow one browser to work in order to fill out the form? Even stranger that it would only work with a specific version of that browser. Have you tried to fill out the form with a different browser, or version of ie? Well, the web site puts up a page stating browser requirement. Attempts to ignore and use Firefox 3.6.x results in long waits and or errors. Tried so far: IE 5.1.7 (OS 9), 5.2.0 FF 3.6.25 G4, G5 processors running OS X.4.11. Have you tried Safari with the Develop menu enabled in Preferences and then change the User Agent to an alternate browser? What's the website? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 PowerBook can't boot from Tiger Install DVD
On Jan 16, 2012, at 1:25 PM, David W. Morris wrote: So you ask, why bother with the Tiger Install DVD if I have the Leopard Install DVD. Well, the Leopard Install DVD's Disk Utility will not allow you to create partitions less than 1gb and to set up a dual boot MacOSX & MorphOS3.0 beta system you need at least 3 partitions and one of those partitions only needs to be about 60mb and I hate wasting 1gb of space for a partition that only needs less than 60mb of file space. Here's a novel thought that might help. I believe in Leopard you can boot a PPC Mac as GUID partition format instead of the normal Apple partition format. You could format the HD as GUID with TWO partitions instead of three, and then use the hidden EFI partition as the tiny partition, I think the EFI partition is about 200 MB, so there should be plenty of room on it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport dilemma
> G4 Cube and Quicksilver both donated and for use for the 16-yr old kid to > reverse explore Apple/Mac have newly installed 10.4.11. Both accept Airport. > Both show and allow a choice of network (my home) but show an error message. > Error connecting to AirPort network etc. > > My own and the kid's iBook and Pad connect without problem, went into > keychain to be certain of the password and still neither the Cube or Q/S will > complete the connection. 10·4·11 only understands WEP and LEAP wireless security schemes. 10·5·x understands these and WPA wireless security. 10·6·x and later (such as your iDevices) understand all of these and WPA2. If this is the reason, scaling back the security on your network to either none or WEP will allow the 10·4·11 macs to join the network. (No security for more time than it takes to make this experiment is not recommended! I believe it's worthwhile setting the router not to broadcast the SSID [name of the wireless network] so that you have to know it and type it into the device you wish to connect.) Can you push the cube and Quicksilver up to 10·5·x and so use the strong WPA security scheme? Hope this helps Edinburgh Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Airport dilemma
G4 Cube and Quicksilver both donated and for use for the 16-yr old kid to reverse explore Apple/Mac have newly installed 10.4.11. Both accept Airport. Both show and allow a choice of network (my home) but show an error message. *Error connecting to AirPort network etc. *My own and the kid's iBook and Pad connect without problem, went into keychain to be certain of the password and still neither the Cube or Q/S will complete the connection. Ideas? Thanks -RF -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ie 5.0
On 1/14/12 2:41 PM, David W. Morris wrote: Many web browsers have the ability to spoof as different browsers. Maybe your web browser can spoof as ie 5.0? Sounds very strange that an employment form would only allow one browser to work in order to fill out the form? Even stranger that it would only work with a specific version of that browser. Have you tried to fill out the form with a different browser, or version of ie? Well, the web site puts up a page stating browser requirement. Attempts to ignore and use Firefox 3.6.x results in long waits and or errors. Tried so far: IE 5.1.7 (OS 9), 5.2.0 FF 3.6.25 G4, G5 processors running OS X.4.11. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Recommend USB UD for backups
Hello all, The WD (My Book Essential) that I have been using for backups (via Time Machine on 10.5.8, and 10.4.11) now refuses to mount. I have tried everything to get it to show up on the Desktop under 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 but to no avail. Can someone recommend a reliable USB Hard Drive that I should use? My configuration is as follows: Quicksilver G4 Two internal hard drives: 1) Mac OS X 10.5.8 2) Mac OS S 10.4.11 + mac OS 9.2.2 (for classic and OS 9 apps) I appreciate any help. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 PowerBook can't boot from Tiger Install DVD
After upgrading one of my G4 PowerBook's to a WD 320gb PATA hard drive, it will no longer boot using my Tiger Install DVD. I first thought the hard drive was bad (brand new drive), then I thought I had made a mistake in taking apart and putting back together my PowerBook. Eventually I took out the drive and re-installed my old hard drive and the PowerBook ran fine again. I am embarrassed to say that thinking I had killed my nice G4 PowerBook during the upgrade attempt, I purchased a replacement (because I was demonstrating MorphOS3.0 beta at a computer show and had to have a working G4 PowerBook that week) before I figured out that my first G4 PowerBook was okay when I put the original hard drive back into it. So now I have two 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's and I put the 320gb hard drive into the second G4 PowerBook and find out that it also won't boot from the Tiger Install DVD. I bought a retail Leopard Install DVD and it will boot from that, but for some reason it still won't boot from the Tiger Install DVD. So you ask, why bother with the Tiger Install DVD if I have the Leopard Install DVD. Well, the Leopard Install DVD's Disk Utility will not allow you to create partitions less than 1gb and to set up a dual boot MacOSX & MorphOS3.0 beta system you need at least 3 partitions and one of those partitions only needs to be about 60mb and I hate wasting 1gb of space for a partition that only needs less than 60mb of file space. Sorry for such a long explanation, but do any of you have any idea why a G4 PowerBook will not boot from the Tiger Install DVD when it has a 320gb hard drive is installed inside of it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 quad with different S/N
On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeffrey balfus wrote: I have a G5 with different serial numbers. The origin logic board died and was replaced by Apple, the new part has a different serial number to ID the computer. Jeff I have a PM G5 dual 2.7 with the serial number on an Apple refurb sticker on the case door opening at the bottom of the latch area. The MOBO doesn't report a serial number in profiler. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
