Re: OS9

[schaffpa]

Don't you wish installers told you accurately what they were about to do? ;^)

If these are G5 install disks, it must be Classic as no G5 will boot OS9.  Your 
logic is sound, but it's still scary, right?  99.9% chance you will do no harm 
and you will have Classic at the other end of the operation.  Your call.  Be 
brave and trust Apple?  Probably will be fine.  

- Original Message -
From: "JohnV" 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 12:04:06 PM
Subject: Re: OS9

I have something on a disc labeled "ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE"

when I fire up the installer, it wants to install OS9
but it doesn't say whether it's the non-bootable CLASSIC-enabling os9,
or if it might want to just install OS9 over the existing10.4.11
My DEDUCTION is that since it;s part of the G5 OSX install discs,  
therefore it MUST be the CLASSIC version of os9 yes?

should I tell it to go ahead and do it?




On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

> --  Original message  --
> Subject: OS9
> Date:Sunday, 08. January 2012
> From:JohnV 
> To:  "G-Group" 
>> I want to play with QTVR and the older authoring  program wants OS9.
>> To run Classic on a PPC G5 it seems I need OS9 installed as well...
>
> On your original installation media for the Power Mac you shouldn't  
> only find
> Mac OS X, but also optional packages, like X11 and Mac OS 9 for  
> Classic.

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Re: OS9

[schaffpa]

Just looked at my G5 system disks, there are 2, both are gray.  The 2nd disk is 
marked "Includes Mac OS 9.2".  Hope that helps.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Countryman"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 11:31:20 AM 
Subject: Re: OS9 

If you got it with the OSX package, you got a separate 9.1 or 9.2.1 (which you 
get depends on which version of OSX...earlier ones had 9.1, 10.2 or 10.3 
through 10.4 or so had 9.2.1). The 9 disk was usually white with a large 
numeral 9 on its face. 






JohnV 
January 8, 2012 2:28 PM 

On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: 



Gotcha. That's what I found... UPDAES, but not the base system. 
I'll look at the OSX installs and see if 9 is in there. 







Jack Countryman 
January 8, 2012 2:18 PM 
OS 9.1, or 9.2.1 would have come as a separate cd in the set of disks you got 
with the machine. It has to be installed separately from the OSX stuff...for 
best results, I's suggest installing the OS 9 stuff first...then OSX if you 
want it. 


As far as I know, other versions of the OS are still controlled by Apple, even 
if they no longer sell them. 9.2.1 cds used to be relatively easy to find and 
cheap as they came with early versions of OSX, but folks often did not install 
or use them, and so sold them off. 



6.03, 6.05, 6.08, 7.5.3 are all posted for free download on the 'older 
software' page of Apple's server. Updates for more recent systems are there, to 
9.1 , but you need the base system to update...to get 9.1 to work, you need to 
start with 9.0 or 9.0 4 installed and then use the downloaded 9.1 updater 
there. There were non-Apple sources selling 9.1 disks for a while. I checked 
the one I have bookmarked...the webpage still comes up...who knows if they 
still sell the disks. They want $159.95 for a 9.1 cd. 

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Re: OS9

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My G5 is sick and my G4 can't read CDs so can't verify.  I've never used 
Classic on the G5 (out with the old) but whenever I tried to launch a Classic 
app, it dutifully asked if was OK to launch Classic (I had set it to in System 
Prefs).  Bruce Johnson has the answers you need, and several others here, I'm 
sure, but I'm pretty confident the G5 was designed to support Classic out of 
the box.  Good luck!

 - Peter

- Original Message -
From: "JohnV" 

Is it indeed on the original install discs for OS 10?

On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:58 PM, schaf...@comcast.net wrote:

> My G5 PM came with Classic.  Check under System Prefs/System/ 
> Classic.  If no joy, and you still have your system disks, you  
> should be able to install what you need, but that's above my pay  
> grade.  ;^)  Bruce?
>
>  - Peter
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "JohnV" 
> To: "G-Group" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 10:47:14 AM
> Subject: OS9
>
> I want to play with QTVR and the older authoring  program wants OS9.
> To run Classic on a PPC G5 it seems I need OS9 installed as well...
> Was Os9 truly released as free by Apple around 2005?
> If so where can it be gotten?
>
> If not... where can it be gotten?
>
> JV

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Re: OS9

[schaffpa]

My G5 PM came with Classic.  Check under System Prefs/System/Classic.  If no 
joy, and you still have your system disks, you should be able to install what 
you need, but that's above my pay grade.  ;^)  Bruce?  

 - Peter

- Original Message -
From: "JohnV" 
To: "G-Group" 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 10:47:14 AM
Subject: OS9

I want to play with QTVR and the older authoring  program wants OS9.
To run Classic on a PPC G5 it seems I need OS9 installed as well...
Was Os9 truly released as free by Apple around 2005?
If so where can it be gotten?

If not... where can it be gotten?

JV

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Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's

[schaffpa]

If Dave sounds like he's trying to sell you on the OS it's because he's a 
believer. Trust me, there's NO money to be made on the Amiga side of things. 
Just folks who think we were cheated out of a good OS years ago. So as an owner 
of a G3, a G4, and a G5, I'm interested in hearing about it. In that spirit: 
Dave, is there a modern browser available for MorphOS?  

- Peter 

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Clarke"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 9:13:26 AM 
Subject: Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's 

Add me to the list of members who are getting tired to this guy trying to sell 
us on an OS thats (1) Commercial and (2) Craptacular. 

Nannies please get rid of this tripe. It doesn't belong. 

On 7 Jan 2012, at 16:31, Jesse wrote: 

> Agreed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Eric Hall  wrote: 
> 
>> Of course, I for one, am tired of hearing you shill this o/s. Perhaps a line 
>> in your sig, people can email you off list if they are interested. 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: David W. Morris  
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:11 PM 
>> Subject: Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: 
>>> 
>>> This list is the G3-5 List. It is usable software agnostic. Since MOST 
>>> people on the list run Mac OS, that is what the main knowledge base is. 
>>> There are other lists with more knowledgable *nix people on them. 
>>> 
>>> That being said, *nix talk is allowed, but remember, most people on the 
>>> list don't have a lot of knowledge or interest there. 
>>> 
>>> Just remember, this is not the Swap List. 
>>> 
>>> Len Gerstel 
>>> List Nanny 
>> 
>> 
>> That is good to know. I am just trying to be a good list member and not step 
>> on anyone's toes here, so that is why I am being careful with any 
>> discussions about alternative OSes for these G4 Mac models. 
>> 
>> I'll try to keep this as brief as possible, with respect to others on the 
>> list that have no interest in using an alternative OS on their G4 Mac 
>> computers, after all MacOSX is the best OS available on any hardware. ;-) 
>> 
>> The alternative OS that I am a strong supporter of is called MorphOS and is 
>> currently at version 2.7. It is based on a micro-kernel called Quark and is 
>> tightly coded to make it extremely fast and efficient. It has been dubbed 
>> "The Lightning OS" by many reviewers, and if it is setup as the primary OS 
>> on a G4 Mac computer, it can reboot in less than 10 seconds to a fully 
>> functional desktop environment. MorphOS3.0 is late and should be released 
>> any day now. It has been developed by a small group of mostly European 
>> members who are all former Amiga users who wanted to create a modern Amiga 
>> replacement operating system that would run on PowerPC CPU's. The last and 
>> highest performing Amiga hardware was created by a third party company named 
>> Phase5. They made a few different models of accelerators for Commodore Amiga 
>> computers that had both a Motorola 68040, or 68060 (remember when Mac's only 
>> had Motorola 680x0 CPU's?) and a 603, or 604e PowerPC 
>> CPU. The accelerator came with a modified OS that could run certain software 
>> on the PowerPC CPU, but would then task switch back to the Motorola 680x0 
>> CPU to run the rest of the Amiga software. It was a clunky solution and came 
>> too late, as Commodore was already on the ropes and about to go bankrupt, 
>> but still development continued long after Commodore died and these people 
>> from Phase5, along with many other Amiga users/developers that would not let 
>> the platform die, began the MorphOS project. It was first hoped that the new 
>> owner of the Amiga IP would buy their work and it would have become the new 
>> AmigaOS, which would have been version 4 (as the official AmigaOS ended at 
>> version 3.9). It was not to be and another company won the negotiations to 
>> write AmigaOS4.x and we now have competing products in the Amiga community. 
>> 
>> Enough on the history lesson. All you need to know about it is that MorphOS 
>> has been under development for over 10 years now and has become a very 
>> polished and efficient operating system, but it still lacks in sheer numbers 
>> of developers and native software, even though it can run most of the 
>> thousands of software titles that were originally written for the Amiga line 
>> of computers through a JIT (Just-In-Time) 680x0 to PPC translator that is 
>> built into the MorphOS operating system. The only Amiga software that does 
>> not run without an emulator on MorphOS, is mostly games and a few other 
>> applications that do not follow the system guidelines and hit the old Amiga 
>> custom chipset directly, as these custom chips do not exist in the computers 
>> (like G4 Mac's) that are supported today by MorphOS. 
>> 
>> MorphOS is not intended a

Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's

[schaffpa]

FWIW:  I know of at least 3 ex-Amigans on this list, including me.  I DO want 
to know about an OS that is currently supported on these great machines.  So 
those who do not, by all means feel free to use the delete key.  ;^)

Maybe Dave could use MorphOS in the subject line or something?

My 2 cents.  

 - Peter

Amiga x6, Mac x3


- Original Message -
From: "Gene Henley" 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:09:10 AM
Subject: Don't Landfill old Mac's


I am confused. this list is"G3-5-list" is it not?
If there are OS systems other than Mac
that can co exist on the Mac, are these
to be not mentioned in this group?
 I may have missed this in the rules.
   Cheers
   Gene Henly


From: "Eric Hall" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's


Of course, I for one, am tired of hearing you shill this o/s. Perhaps a line 
in your sig, people can email you off list if they are interested.

Thanks


- Original Message -
From: David W. Morris 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's


On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:
>
> This list is the G3-5 List. It is usable software agnostic. Since MOST 
> people on the list run Mac OS, that is what the main knowledge base is. 
> There are other lists with more knowledgable *nix people on them.
>
> That being said, *nix talk is allowed, but remember, most people on the 
> list don't have a lot of knowledge or interest there.
>
> Just remember, this is not the Swap List.
>
> Len Gerstel
> List Nanny


That is good to know. I am just trying to be a good list member and not step 
on anyone's toes here, so that is why I am being careful with any 
discussions about alternative OSes for these G4 Mac models.

I'll try to keep this as brief as possible, with respect to others on the 
list that have no interest in using an alternative OS on their G4 Mac 
computers, after all MacOSX is the best OS available on any hardware. ;-)

The alternative OS that I am a strong supporter of is called MorphOS and is 
currently at version 2.7. It is based on a micro-kernel called Quark and is 
tightly coded to make it extremely fast and efficient. It has been dubbed 
"The Lightning OS" by many reviewers, and if it is setup as the primary OS 
on a G4 Mac computer, it can reboot in less than 10 seconds to a fully 
functional desktop environment. MorphOS3.0 is late and should be released 
any day now. It has been developed by a small group of mostly European 
members who are all former Amiga users who wanted to create a modern Amiga 
replacement operating system that would run on PowerPC CPU's. The last and 
highest performing Amiga hardware was created by a third party company named 
Phase5. They made a few different models of accelerators for Commodore Amiga 
computers that had both a Motorola 68040, or 68060 (remember when Mac's only 
had Motorola 680x0 CPU's?) and a 603, or 604e PowerPC
 CPU. The accelerator came with a modified OS that could run certain 
software on the PowerPC CPU, but would then task switch back to the Motorola 
680x0 CPU to run the rest of the Amiga software. It was a clunky solution 
and came too late, as Commodore was already on the ropes and about to go 
bankrupt, but still development continued long after Commodore died and 
these people from Phase5, along with many other Amiga users/developers that 
would not let the platform die, began the MorphOS project. It was first 
hoped that the new owner of the Amiga IP would buy their work and it would 
have become the new AmigaOS, which would have been version 4 (as the 
official AmigaOS ended at version 3.9). It was not to be and another company 
won the negotiations to write AmigaOS4.x and we now have competing products 
in the Amiga community.

Enough on the history lesson. All you need to know about it is that MorphOS 
has been under development for over 10 years now and has become a very 
polished and efficient operating system, but it still lacks in sheer numbers 
of developers and native software, even though it can run most of the 
thousands of software titles that were originally written for the Amiga line 
of computers through a JIT (Just-In-Time) 680x0 to PPC translator that is 
built into the MorphOS operating system. The only Amiga software that does 
not run without an emulator on MorphOS, is mostly games and a few other 
applications that do not follow the system guidelines and hit the old Amiga 
custom chipset directly, as these custom chips do not exist in the computers 
(like G4 Mac's) that are supported today by MorphOS.

MorphOS is not intended as a replacement for MacOSX (except perhaps for only 
the most hardcore old time Amiga users). It is what is commonly referred to 
as a "Hobby OS" that a few thousand users and developers enjoy using and 
mostly only has interest for people that were former users of the Amiga line 
o

Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[schaffpa]

Your English is very good! If it works for you, tell them to blow off. ;^) 

G4 MDD Dual 1.0GHz (10.4.11) here is barely adequate, have to continually 
change my YouTube resolution to 360, but it works fine for Word and most other 
things. I plan on upgrading, but only because I feel its limitations. If you 
don't, ignore those 'other' folks. ;^) 

Ciao, 

- Peter 

- Original Message -
From: "gira93"  
To: "G-Group"  
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 9:40:05 AM 
Subject: Are powermac g4 still useful? 

Hello everyone! 

Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4, 

I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and 
love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works 
very well with 10.4.11. 

I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i 
use such an old mac for the "everyday use". 

So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4? 

PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian. 

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Re: Rotating cam videos on Mac ppc

[schaffpa]

Also Quicktime Pro for Tiger PPC, not sure about later OSes. $30. Check the 
Apple site to see if it's still available. You can get there from Quicktime. 

- Original Message -
From: "Chance Reecher"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:27:27 AM 
Subject: Re: Rotating cam videos on Mac ppc 


Only software that I can think of that will allow you to rotate your video is 
Adobe Premiere, and not many people have that. Sorry I can't be of more help. 


Chance 


On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Jonas Lopez < jonaslo...@yahoo.com > wrote: 





Been videoing using camera from Santa, but made error on side so display on Mac 
is off by 90 degrees. HOW do you rotate video? 

I am ppc G4 10.5.8 NOT INTEL. Would like to convert to correct and save. Any 
ideas? 
JML 


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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

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- Original Message -
> From: "Kris Tilford" 
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 12:55:26 PM
> Subject: Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:
> 
> > Amen! It was seriously annoying!
> 
> Opps! I thought it was "fixed" for all sites, but I just found a site
> that won't play with the hacked PPC Flash Player, it's Yahoo Sports.
> Here is the sample video I tried to play, and only got the error
> message for needing to "upgrade" even though my hacked player shows as
> the most current versions already. I'm bummed.
> 
> 

Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

[schaffpa]

- Original Message -
> From: "Kris Tilford" 
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 12:08:21 PM
> Subject: Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:42 AM, JohnV wrote:
> 
> > Anything untowards within?
> 
> I think it's legit, just a change in version #.
> 
> I know it's fixed several sites that would no longer play flash for
> me, including Facebook, my local television station site, and
> SoundCloud audio player. These three were really bothersome to me.

I don't have the latest version of the PPC Flash, but although FB excludes me 
(curse them for that), SoundCloud and anything else I've tried works fine.  In 
addition, if I click on the link to a YouTube video on FB, all is well.  i.e., 
for me, only FB doesn't let me play videos directly.  I'll definitely save 
these instructions though!  I'm sure they will come in handy eventually.  
Thanks to all for you input!  

> 
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:
> 
> > Amen! It was seriously annoying!
> 
> Agreed, SERIOUSLY annoying! Now solved.

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Security Update Causes Crashes?

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What gives here? I'm still on Tiger, but thinking of upgrading. 

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9220826/Mac_OS_X_security_update_causes_crashes_say_experts
 

- Peter 

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Heads up: Mac Defender malware now spreading virally via Facebook

[schaffpa]

[ UPDATE : Apple issues security update to detect and remove Mac Defender and 
variants , but still allows users to open known infected files! ] 

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/mac-defender-malware-now-spreading-virally-via-facebook/13064
 

 - Peter Schaff

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Re: Trojan Construction Kit??

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- "Bruce Johnson"  wrote:

> On May 9, 2011, at 12:06 PM, schaf...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know if it's time to get worried about security? It
> almost sounds like it only works on Intel, like one speech recognition
> program. Or is it just a scare tactic from the Anti-virus
> establishment?  
> 
> Two things.
> 
> 1) Go, right now, and uncheck the box in Safari's General preferences
> 'Open "safe" files after downloading'. This is unnecessary, and will
> ensure that nothing can get installed sneakily on your computer. This
> should be off by default...in fact, it shouldn't exist at all, imo.

Safari quit working on both of my Tiger PMs (G4 and G5) one by one.  Firefox 
has been bulletproof in operation.  I have the security settings as high as 
they go but there's no setting for "opening safe files after downloading".  FF 
promises to "warn me when sites try to install add-ons".  But I worry most 
about Java and Flash, mainly Flash.  

Another concern is that after my router bit the dust, I've been connected 
directly to the Comcast modem.  This works for now as the G5 is down with a bad 
PS.  This makes me nervous as hell.  But it functions so much better now with 
2.7MB/sec (21.6Mb/sec) peak d/l speeds, more than double what I was getting.  
Am I being stupid?  

If yes, is Airport Extreme the best way to go?  I currently have no need for 
WiFi.  

All comments welcome!

> 2) "Wolf!" "Wolf!" 

I SO hope you're right, Bruce!

> Bruce Johnson

 - Peter Schaff

G4 MDD Dual 1GHz Tiger
G5 dual-core 2.3GHz PM Tiger

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Trojan Construction Kit??

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Does anyone know if it's time to get worried about security? It almost sounds 
like it only works on Intel, like one speech recognition program. Or is it just 
a scare tactic from the Anti-virus establishment?  

- Peter 

PPC only (for now)

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Re: TenFourFox

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- "Ralph Green"  wrote:

> On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:32 +0200, Mac User #330250 wrote:
> > Hello PowerPC users!
> > 
> > TenFourFox is FireFox 4 for PowerPC Macs running Tiger AND Leopard.
> (I've 
> > found the TenFourFox related topics in this group and the Tiger
> group…)
> Howdy,
>   I may actually have a Leopard system soon.  I have a friend who is
> getting rid of a 1.2 GHz G4 iBook.  The page at Firefox says an Intel
> architecture machine is recommended for Firefox 4.  They don't say it
> is
> required.  Is there some reason it won't work on the G4 iBook?
> 
> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements.html
> 
>  I certainly don't care about Flash.  I would not even consider
> installing it anyway.
> Have a good day,
> Ralph

Flash is a virus, but necessary to take full use of the internet, at least for 
now.  Firefox 3 is the best solution for me so far.  

 - Peter

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Re: TenFourFox

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- "Mac User #330250"  wrote:

> Hello PowerPC users!
> 
> TenFourFox is FireFox 4 for PowerPC Macs running Tiger AND Leopard.
> (I've 
> found the TenFourFox related topics in this group and the Tiger
> group…)
> 
> There's even a short article from a popular German computer magazine:
> http://heise.de/-1233979
> 
> Translation (by Google):
> http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fheise.de%2F-1233979&act=url
> 
> This is all very promising. Now, at least the very fast G5 Power Macs
> running 
> Mac OS 10.5 are not left out of future development (video like Flash
> and 
> WebM). (Until no more security updates are coming for 10.5…)
> 
> I doubt that video streaming will ever work on my G3 B&W anyhow. But,
> as I've 
> read, JavaScript should be speed-boosted too.
> 
> http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/
> Go for it!
> 
> Cheers,
> Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

FWIW:  On my Tiger G4 dual 1GHz MDD, TenFourFox (7450) is graphically glitchy.  
For instance, YouTube has unresolved overlaps of the player on the background.  
It seems a little faster than Firefox 3.6, but not currently an option for me.  
It's nice that when you download and run TFF it uses all your Firefox resources 
but will let you go back to Firefox without any problems detected by me.  I'd 
be interested in any others' experiences with TFF.  I support the effort.  

 - Peter

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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

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- "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio"  wrote:


> > > But am I the only one who feels Oompa Loompas are a bit creepy ?
> Kinda
> > > a hive mind thing ?
> >
> > It's just for fun.  I laugh because there is some truth to it.  But
> it doesn't matter because Macs Rule!  ;^)  It worked and gave us a
> better playground (and made Apple #1).  I just keep my fingers crossed
> for our future...
> >
> >  - Peter
> >
> > PS:  Hey, how about getting with the plain text program here,
> Adrian!?
> >
> 
> 
> I don't think Apple is going away even if Steve goes the way of all
> flesh. It is too ingrained in consumer culture and the way people
> expect to get their media. when cars appeared with iPod docks I knew
> that was true. Oh, it will evolve. But it will not go away.

Way true!

> That is why I think selling a port of the Mac OS for PCs makes more
> sense than ever. And an entry level tower machine too.
> Even BMW has an M3 ( for the many here who like car analogies)

Legitimizing a port of OSX to PCs would open a can of worms and knock the 
polish of the Mac image.  Apple would rather leave the back door open to those 
brave souls willing to tame the Hackintosh beast.  If you have enough $$ to put 
together a decent PC, you can have a Hackintosh, as many do.  Otherwise, a 
"real" Mac assures you of success out of the box.  Making a software-only Mac 
would diminish the Brand.  Apple products have the reputation they do because 
they work, and I don't blame Apple for wanting to keep control, which they 
would lose if they lost control of the hardware.  Just my 2 cents.

> And sorry about the rich text. So many here post in it I had
> forgotten. And in gmail it is easy to switch for different purposes
> but easy to forget when one is in a hurry too.

I had forgotten too, to be honest.  I'm stuck w/Comcast ATM and contextual 
posting only works using plain text.  Besides, it feels like an old shoe.  ;^)

> But in 2011 is anyone on LEM not capable of reading rich text?

It gets down to tradition, and practicality for some, like me.  Least common 
denominator and all that.  Whatever works.  I'm flexible.  ;^)

 - Peter

PS:  I think you should figure out a way to Hackintosh to make you happy.  Or 
play the lottery and hope.  ;^)  Again, just my 2¢.

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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

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- "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio"  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:16 AM, < schaf...@comcast.net > wrote:

> 
> 
> But it has oompa loompas in it! ;^)
> 
> - Peter
> 
> PS: Quick, someone give Adrian a Mac Pro!
> 
> If someone does I promise to not run Winblowz on it !
> 
> But am I the only one who feels Oompa Loompas are a bit creepy ? Kinda
> a hive mind thing ?

It's just for fun.  I laugh because there is some truth to it.  But it doesn't 
matter because Macs Rule!  ;^)  It worked and gave us a better playground (and 
made Apple #1).  I just keep my fingers crossed for our future...

 - Peter

PS:  Hey, how about getting with the plain text program here, Adrian!?  

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Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!

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- "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio"  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Dan < dantear...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> At 8:51 PM + 3/4/2011, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Wow, cool. He got people to look at a clever production dissing Apple
>>> and no one minded .
> 
>> But it has oompa loompas in it!
> 
> 
> But they are saying stuff that is aimed at making Mac users feel used.
> 
> It's just WRONG !
> 



> And anyone who thinks Apple fans are buying Apple products because
> they are deluded should wake the hell up.
> 
> And why are they allowed to spread the garbage unopposed on LEM ?


But it has oompa loompas in it!  ;^)

 - Peter

PS:  Quick, someone give Adrian a Mac Pro!

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Re: Strange ethernet issue (possibly)

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My dualcore 2.3 PM has 2 ethernet ports, each is separate, with 2 different 
Ethernet ports. I've only used one so can't comment on speed differences. They 
are supposed to be the same. YMMV 

- Peter 

PS: Excuse the dreaded "top post" but comcast mailer overrides all 
sensibilities. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2011 6:57:39 AM 
Subject: Re: Strange ethernet issue (possibly) 

(context restored) 

At 1:01 PM + 3/4/2011, Andy wrote: 
>At 8:18 PM -0500 3/3/2011, Dan wrote: 
>>At 2:56 PM -0800 3/3/2011, AndyTheMac wrote: 
>>>wired network 
>>>1 dual 2.5GHZ G5, 1 QS 733, 2 GigE G4s and a BW G3 plus a minolta printer. 
>> 
>>This G5? 
>>.../powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html 
> 
>This one  

Ok. You mean the Quad, then? 

 

>>>They all go into a Netgear 8 port gigabit router and then connect 
>>>to the internet through a Netgear modem. 

Please clarify - exactly what model router? what model modem? This 
is to some sort of cable service or DSL or ? 

>>>The download speeds form the internet to all the machines except 
>>>the G5 fluctuate between 20 and 30 KB/s. The G5 achieves download 
>>>speeds of around 400 KB/s with the cable in the bottom of the 2 
>>>Ethernet ports. 
>>>If I plug my Macbook into the network using the cable from the G5 
>>>I get between 20 - 30 KB/s. 
>>>If I plug that same cable into the top port in the G5, the 
>>>download speed drops to 20 - 30 KB/s. 
>>>The modem is, allegedly, connect to the internet with a downstream 
>>>speed of 7.9MB/s. 

> >How exactly are you measuring this speed? 
> 
>Inaccurately. By downloading a 5MB file from the same server and 
>noting the data transfer rate in the download window. 

Inaccurately is an understatement. To many unknown variables - 
server speed, the throughput of the network between you and it, 
browser overhead, browser averaging, etc. 

Use a real speed test, please. Of course, please make it clean test 
- no other apps running and no other network traffic on your LAN. 

 

 

> >Please clarify your units. Do you mean megabytes per second or megabits? 
> 
>Sorry, I mixed units! The G5 bottom port - 400kbps, G5 top port - 
>20-30kbps, all other machines 20-30kbps (kilobits per second) 

And your internet service is supposed to be 8 Mbps? 
(7.9 MB/sec would be ~80 Mbps -- expensive). 

30 Kbps (less than V.90 dial-up speed!) over an 8 Mbps service is 
pitiful. Because that affects all your Macs, it's starting to sound 
like you have a cabling or switch or router or modem issue. The 
information from the ifconfig (Bruce's reply) will be helpful. 

> >Check to see what speed your ethernet link has sync'd at. 
> 
>Not done that yet but my Macbook connects with other ethernet networks at 
>full 1000mbps yet when using the same cable and router port as the G5 
>bottom ethernet port, the speed changes. 

Anything talking to that router via wi-fi? (You didn't say exactly 
what model router it is, so I'm guessing it does wi-fi). Asking 
because I've seen many less-expensive routers taken to their knees 
because of being overloaded. 

- Dan. 
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Re: I have a Pioneer DVR 115

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Thanks Peter. That was my default conclusion, just hoping I'd missed something. 

- Peter 

- Original Message - 
From: peterh...@cruzio.com 

> I have a 112D which replaced one that lasted about 6 mos. After 3 or 4 
> years of occasional use, it now won't burn CDs, but handles DVDs just fine 
> and will read CDs and DVDs fine. I've burned at least 50 DVDs since then 
> with zero coasters. I had never had problems with this 100 pack of TDK CDs 
> before then. CD burns failed from both iTunes and Toast and I tried 
> several. I seem to remember the error stating it didn't recognize the 
> media or some such. 

CDs ans DVDs use a different wavelength laser. 

It is possible, even likely, that CD writing has failed, whereas DVD 
reading is still OK. 


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Re: I have a Pioneer DVR 115

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- Original Message - 
From: "Norm Rowe"  
To: "g3-5"  
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:46:21 PM 
Subject: I have a Pioneer DVR 115 

I have a Pioneer DVR 115 which suddenly will not burn CD or DVD's. I have 
checked cables and cleaned with a cleaning disk. OS 10.5.8 on a G4 with 2 meg 
of ram and 1gig sonnet processor. First noticed when burn a play-list from 
iTunes 10.0.2. 
Norm 
 

I have a 112D which replaced one that lasted about 6 mos. After 3 or 4 years of 
occasional use, it now won't burn CDs, but handles DVDs just fine and will read 
CDs and DVDs fine. I've burned at least 50 DVDs since then with zero coasters. 
I had never had problems with this 100 pack of TDK CDs before then. CD burns 
failed from both iTunes and Toast and I tried several. I seem to remember the 
error stating it didn't recognize the media or some such. 

This is in an MDD w/Tiger, if that matters. I was wondering if there was any 
possibility it might be the last system update (Apple saying your really need a 
NEW Mac) ;^) 

- Peter 

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Re: Powermac G4 mdd dual Strange noise???

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Not to worry. The "bee" has been a normal event here for years. I have no idea 
what it is but it's apparently harmless. My best guess is a drive doing some 
sort of alignment check. I have a Seagate 320, a Seagate 80 and an IBM 80. I 
sounds benign, lasts about 1 or 1 1/2 seconds, occurs totally randomly a couple 
of times a day, and doesn't affect anything that I've noticed. My dual 1GB MDD 
runs 24/7 w/o sleep, BTW. 

FYI, if you hear the fan speed up much at all, try cleaning the intake plenum 
chamber in the lower front (aggressively with a tooth brush or similar and a 
vacuum upholstery brush). Get all the dust bunnies you can see. My temp went 
from 138 deg F down to 126 and the fan complains MUCH less now. 

- Peter 

PS: I find a bit of grog helps the nerves. YMMV 

- Original Message - 
From: "Matevž Markovič"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 4:19:17 AM 
Subject: Re: Powermac G4 mdd dual Strange noise??? 


Hy! 


I am installing a new system for my powermac (and I am like bit on the edge 
with my nerves, because everything goes wrong), and I heard no such noise when 
I loaded the optical drive with my installation DVD. It seems that this sound 
poops up randomly. 

Well, I this computer is normally up for days, but iStat reads 46-49C 
temperature, so there should be no problem. I really hope that it is not 
something wrong with the PSU. Should I reset PMU? If so, with what command in 
the open firmware? 

p.s. I is it OK for the CRT monitor to be in standby mode for days? I really 
worry, because sometimes I leave the computer on when I leave home (it does 
some intense processing). My monitor is SAMSUNG SyncMaster 957p, some 8 years 
old. The image is of very high quality, never damaged (as far as I know), on 
the power surge. 

Thanks for answers, 

Matevž 

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Re: Flashing Video Card for G5?

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My stock MDD dual 1.0GHz ATI 9000 Pro (64MB) handles 1920x1080 just fine on an 
Acer 23". No core image though... 

This is via DMI. Interestingly, it will not work properly on my 47" Vizio via 
DMI to HDMI cable, though analog 1920x1080 via VGA adapter works great. 
Curious. 

- Peter 


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From: "Alex Barnes"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2011 7:21:29 AM 
Subject: Re: Flashing Video Card for G5? 

Most GPUs can display 1920x1080. I have an ATI Rage 128 with 16 MB of memory 
that could display 1920x1080. 


On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:48 AM, Jeremiah Stevens wrote: 






Once I had a card that put out full 1080p resolution in my PowerMac G4 
Quicksilver Single 800mhz. It was a great card but I cannot remember which one 
it was, I have about 30 cards around here for PC and Mac, so I would have to 
test them one by one in the PowerMac 



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Re: Mac Mini Max Resolution?

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*** I bought an Acer 23" 1920x1080 several months ago for $200 that works 
great. It's likely cheaper now. 

- Peter 

I know Viewsonic makes a great 22" LED monitor that has a max res of 1920x1080. 


> 
> 
> That's what I suspected. 
> 
> I think that a 27" might be a limiting factor but still, it would provide a 
> good deal more real estate... 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> JT 
> 

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Re: Sudden power loss in G5

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Leo, 

Power supplies are a bitch requiring removing almost everything. My 2.3 dual 
core went abruptly with a flash and a stench. However, you may be having 
problems with coolant leaking onto your electronics, which is worse. Check this 
out IMMEDIATELY! 

Fine machine otherwise! 

- Peter 

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From: "Leo Hoyt"  
To: "G-Group"  
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2011 10:55:07 AM 
Subject: Sudden power loss in G5 

I have a dual 2.7 Ghz PPC G5 w/ 4.5 GB ram. The machine recently 
started powering off without warning. Is this signs of a power supply 
failing? If so how hard are the power supplies to replace in these 
towers? 

Thanks for the help. 

Leo 

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Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4

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Right on Al! As an ex-mechanic I learned that in order to find the source of a 
noise, you really need a stethoscope (water pump vs A/C compressor vs air pump, 
etc). I had a commercial one from Snap-On but even a hose with a metal probe 
(or a paper towel tube) will be of benefit. Something that transmits local 
noise is a BIG help! ;^) 

- Peter 

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From: "Al Poulin"  
To: "G-Group"  
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 6:39:53 AM 
Subject: Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4 



On Dec 26, 7:26 pm, Sean Carroll  wrote: 
> > Open the PowerMac and stick your ear in there, to verify that the 
> > sounds are coming from the drives. 
> 
> I did and I have - I have just distrusted my ears (being a musician 
> teaches you to, ironically). I am as satisfied as I can be that the 
> noise is from the drives. It occurs to me a little belatedly that a 
> test that would absolutely determine whether it was the hard drives 
> would be to disconnect the power from them and start up. Unless 
> that's a no-no for some reason. The only possible source of noise in 
> this situation would be the fan, yes? An optical drive is silent 
> unless it's reading something, no? 

I would try a stethoscope, or a low tech 11 inch cardboard core from 
your last roll of paper towels, or make yourself an "ear trumpet" from 
paper. 

Al Poulin 

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Re: G5 power supply problems

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Thanks for the response John! And for the tip on a reputable repair outfit. 

- Peter 

- Original Message - 
From: "John Carmonne"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 2:50:24 PM 
Subject: Re: G5 power supply problems 


On Oct 25, 2010, at 12:55 PM, schaf...@comcast.net wrote: 

> I have a late G5 2.3 dual-core Power Mac that has run 24/7 since I bought it 
> new in December 2005. The only enhancement it received was a 2nd 250 GB HDD 
> and 4 GB of RAM. A month or 2 ago it died instantly (there was a gunshot like 
> "pop", the screen went black and the power light was out 2 seconds later when 
> I looked, and the ensuing stench made me not try a restart). My meager 
> training screamed "power supply", but that's just my uneducated guess. 
> Googling revealed a fault in my power supply that was covered by Apple until 
> January 2010, and a call to Apple Care resulted in an "I'm sorry" 
> determination of coverage. Apparently the purchase of $7500 of Apple products 
> (w/o Apple Care purchases) in the last 8 years doesn't qualify me for any 
> "special" consideration. OK. My "local" (4 hr return trip) Apple Store was 
> unwilling to let me discuss anything with a "genius" and just wanted me to 
> bring it in. The closest Apple certified repair center (about the same 
> distance) quoted a flat labor fee of $95 and a "new" Apple part cost of 
> $400(!?). A relative Apple tech who works for a WA State university said an 
> exchange from Apple would be $150, so I presume this would be a refurbished 
> unit. 
> 
> My questions to anyone out there are: 
> 1. Has anyone else with the latest 1000 watt power supply had a failure on 
> the G5 PM? 
> 2. If this power supply has failed (seems likely to me), what are the odds 
> that logic board, drives, memory, etc are OK? I used an external FW drive and 
> it works fine w/my G4 PM (saved my bacon!!). 
> 3. Anyone have an opinion, for my purposes, whether I'd be better served by 
> an Apple store or a cooperative 3rd party? 
> 
> I want my beloved child back! Any help/advice from those who know better than 
> I would be MOST appreciated! 8^) 
> 
> TIA 
> 
> - Peter 
> 
> G5 2.3 dual-core, 4 GB RAM, 20" Acer LCD, 250 x2 HDD running SoftRaid 
> (mirror) running Tiger 10.4.11. 
> G4 MDD 1.0 dual "wind tunnel", 320+80+80 HDD running Tiger 10.4.11. 
> 
I and some friends of mine have trusted our heavy lifting to Brian at DT&T 
Service in Fremont CA for a couple of years, They're honest and very fair 
priced plus fast turn around with a warranty. I always get my money's worth and 
extra. 

http://www.dttservice.com/services.html 

John Carmonne 
Yorba Linda USA 
Sent from my MBP 

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G5 power supply problems

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I have a late G5 2.3 dual-core Power Mac that has run 24/7 since I bought it 
new in December 2005. The only enhancement it received was a 2nd 250 GB HDD and 
4 GB of RAM. A month or 2 ago it died instantly (there was a gunshot like 
"pop", the screen went black and the power light was out 2 seconds later when I 
looked, and the ensuing stench made me not try a restart). My meager training 
screamed "power supply", but that's just my uneducated guess. Googling revealed 
a fault in my power supply that was covered by Apple until January 2010, and a 
call to Apple Care resulted in an "I'm sorry" determination of coverage. 
Apparently the purchase of $7500 of Apple products (w/o Apple Care purchases) 
in the last 8 years doesn't qualify me for any "special" consideration. OK. My 
"local" (4 hr return trip) Apple Store was unwilling to let me discuss anything 
with a "genius" and just wanted me to bring it in. The closest Apple certified 
repair center (about the same distance) quoted a flat labor fee of $95 and a 
"new" Apple part cost of $400(!?). A relative Apple tech who works for a WA 
State university said an exchange from Apple would be $150, so I presume this 
would be a refurbished unit. 

My questions to anyone out there are: 
1. Has anyone else with the latest 1000 watt power supply had a failure on the 
G5 PM? 
2. If this power supply has failed (seems likely to me), what are the odds that 
logic board, drives, memory, etc are OK? I used an external FW drive and it 
works fine w/my G4 PM (saved my bacon!!). 
3. Anyone have an opinion, for my purposes, whether I'd be better served by an 
Apple store or a cooperative 3rd party? 

I want my beloved child back! Any help/advice from those who know better than I 
would be MOST appreciated! 8^) 

TIA 

- Peter 

G5 2.3 dual-core, 4 GB RAM, 20" Acer LCD, 250 x2 HDD running SoftRaid (mirror) 
running Tiger 10.4.11. 
G4 MDD 1.0 dual "wind tunnel", 320+80+80 HDD running Tiger 10.4.11. 

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Re: Apple inside?

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- Original Message - 
From: "James Therrault"  
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM 
Subject: Re: Apple inside? 


On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote: 


> I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4 
> "portables" and Core i7 and i9 "desktops". OS X and iOS merged 
> (Lion being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86. 
> yum. 

Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with 
regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops. Neither IBM 
or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other 
Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have 
proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to 
clock speed supporting multiple cores. 

Just my 2¢ worth... 

JT 

(Curses on Comcast for not setting the "quote" function.) 8^P 

AMD does not do PPC. Apple's decision to do Intel, particularly for laptops, 
was sound. It let them compete with "PCs". 

It was because Motorola could not deliver a low-energy, powerful footprint. 
Intel is undeniably better at that! 

As a G4/G5 participant, I lament the loss of g4/g5 technology, but I understand 
the move to Intel. 

Moving to an Apple-produced processor also is intriguing. Let the good times 
roll... 

- Peter 




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