Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
Marty didn't you have to trick the OS X.5 software to install on less than a 867 processor? I did not need any tricks other than installing Leopard on an external drive attached to a faster iBook G4. Target mode would work too. Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 8, 4:57 pm, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:25 AM, aechmea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Jim and others, I wasnt clear enough. My iMac is actually a G4 - the LCD on a stick in the half snowball. I have a feeling that 10.5 will work since it's a G4. But will 10.5 actually work nicely or just plod along. On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:47 PM, Marty Levine replied: Im running 10.5 on an eMac 700 right now and normaly on a 450mhz sawtooth. Its not a speed demon but its useable. Tiger might be faster though. I just posted results of downgrading a 1.67 GHz G4 PowerBook from 10.5.5 to 10.4.11. There was about a 20% speed increase across the board for 10.4.11. This is a noticeable amount of speed and Tiger seemed much quicker. I don't think that Leopard offers anything worth a 20% speed hit. Your iMac won't support Core Image or Core Animation, so that basically leaves Spaces Stacks (both just eye candy), and Time Machine (buggy and doesn't seem reliable). I've got Macs running both Leopard and Tiger, I'd stick with Tiger on you G4 iMac. OK, thats good. I didnt particularly want Leopard on the iMac, but I just happened to have a retail DVD and a nonspecific one, so it would have been a no-cost solution. The 3 Tigers that I have would appear by their label to be machine specific. Maybe the G5 one would have a chance of installing on the iMac, but I doubt that the Macbook or the Intel versions would work. Looks like I need to search for a retail Tiger. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Marty Levine wrote: Marty didn't you have to trick the OS X.5 software to install on less than a 867 processor? I did not need any tricks other than installing Leopard on an external drive attached to a faster iBook G4. Target mode would work too. Marty You might check out LeopardAssist: http://mac.profusehost.net/leopardassist/index.html Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 7, 2008, at 9:25 PM, aechmea wrote: Sorry Jim and others, I wasnt clear enough. My iMac is actually a G4 - the LCD on a stick in the half snowball. I have a feeling that 10.5 will work since it's a G4. But will 10.5 actually work nicely or just plod along. Assuming that your iMac is still 700 Mhz, but a G4 instead of a G3, 10.4 will run quite snappily on it with the 640 MB RAM you say it has. But only the 1 GHz and higher G4 iMacs will run 10.5 without needing help since Apple's Leopard threshold is G4 at 867 MHz. (Low End Mac has the information on installing Leopard on unsupported Macs.) But if you go ahead and manage to get Leopard installed on your G4/700 iMac, it will pretty much stumble along at 700 MHz. More RAM will help. So will a 7200 rpm hard drive, if it's got an original 5400 rpm hard drive. Even then, you will find that the 32 MB NVidia video chip doesn't have enough wherewithal to do full justice to Leopard. Install 10.5, if only to prove it can be done, but be prepared to be disappointed with its performance on your iMac. Tiger is a perfect match for your machine. -- Jim Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
If you just want to render web pages better, you could try Firefox. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:57 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I just posted results of downgrading a 1.67 GHz G4 PowerBook from 10.5.5 to 10.4.11. There was about a 20% speed increase across the board for 10.4.11. And your results are quite anomalous...I noticed almost no difference between 10.4 and 10.5 on my 1Ghz G4 systems. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: And your results are quite anomalous.. I don't think they're anomalous according to benchmarks with archived results for literally thousands of users. You can run the benchmarks yourself. If you get different results, post them like I did. For that matter, there are literally thousands of archived benchmark results to view, and as far as I could see, my results were not anomalous, but that universal. I noticed almost no difference between 10.4 and 10.5 on my 1Ghz G4 systems. Maybe for general web browsing, but try running Photoshop or Photoshop Elements under both Leopard and Tiger and you can see the speed difference. In Adobe Bridge when it's displaying an entire large folder for browsing it takes forever under 10.5 but is quick enough in 10.4. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
Currently I run 10.3.9 on a 15iMac700/640ram. The machine is primarily used for email and internet browsing and some games of the era. Safari 1.3.2 that comes with 10.3 will no longer render some pages properly (eg Google maps, Hotmail, some eBay, some banking sites) I have a commercial OSX 10.5 DVD I have a OSX 10.5 For Mac computers that came with an Intel iMac I have a OSX 10.4.10 iMac (suspect that this is for an intel imac rather than a G4) I have a OSX 10.4 G5 I have a OSX 10.4 Macbook Pro 3 questions 1. Am I wasting my time trying to instal and then run 10.5 on a 700MHz iMac with 640 MB ram? 2. The iMac doesn't have a DVD drive. I guess that firewire target mode from another Mac would be the way to instal. Does that work? 3. I presume that the 10.4 DVDs above are possibly machine specific and may be unsuitable? Except perhaps the G5 one? Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 7, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Franklin wrote: Currently I run 10.3.9 on a 15iMac700/640ram. The machine is primarily used for email and internet browsing and some games of the era. Safari 1.3.2 that comes with 10.3 will no longer render some pages properly (eg Google maps, Hotmail, some eBay, some banking sites) I have a commercial OSX 10.5 DVD I have a OSX 10.5 For Mac computers that came with an Intel iMac I have a OSX 10.4.10 iMac (suspect that this is for an intel imac rather than a G4) I have a OSX 10.4 G5 I have a OSX 10.4 Macbook Pro 3 questions 1. Am I wasting my time trying to instal and then run 10.5 on a 700MHz iMac with 640 MB ram? Yep. OS X 10.5 Leopard will not run on a G3. 2. The iMac doesn't have a DVD drive. I guess that firewire target mode from another Mac would be the way to instal. Does that work? Yep. It works fine, assuming you have an OS 10.4 DVD compatible with your iMac G3. 3. I presume that the 10.4 DVDs above are possibly machine specific and may be unsuitable? Except perhaps the G5 one? All the 10.5 DVDs are incompatible with your G3 iMac. The 10.4 DVDs may or may not work; go the firewire installation route and find out. At the worst, you'll have to buy a retail version of 10.4, which will install on any compatible Mac. Or you also could search out a relatively rare set of 10.4 CDs. But firewire target disk mode is your best bet. -- Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
Sorry Jim and others, I wasnt clear enough. My iMac is actually a G4 - the LCD on a stick in the half snowball. I have a feeling that 10.5 will work since it's a G4. But will 10.5 actually work nicely or just plod along. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
Im running 10.5 on an eMac 700 right now and normaly on a 450mhz sawtooth. Its not a speed demon but its useable. Tiger might be faster though. Marty On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:25 AM, aechmea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Jim and others, I wasnt clear enough. My iMac is actually a G4 - the LCD on a stick in the half snowball. I have a feeling that 10.5 will work since it's a G4. But will 10.5 actually work nicely or just plod along. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:25 AM, aechmea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Jim and others, I wasnt clear enough. My iMac is actually a G4 - the LCD on a stick in the half snowball. I have a feeling that 10.5 will work since it's a G4. But will 10.5 actually work nicely or just plod along. On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:47 PM, Marty Levine replied: Im running 10.5 on an eMac 700 right now and normaly on a 450mhz sawtooth. Its not a speed demon but its useable. Tiger might be faster though. I just posted results of downgrading a 1.67 GHz G4 PowerBook from 10.5.5 to 10.4.11. There was about a 20% speed increase across the board for 10.4.11. This is a noticeable amount of speed and Tiger seemed much quicker. I don't think that Leopard offers anything worth a 20% speed hit. Your iMac won't support Core Image or Core Animation, so that basically leaves Spaces Stacks (both just eye candy), and Time Machine (buggy and doesn't seem reliable). I've got Macs running both Leopard and Tiger, I'd stick with Tiger on you G4 iMac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
