Reinstalling OS 10.3 on a Beige G3
I'm trying to re-install OS X on my Beige G3 using XPostFacto. The hard drive I'm trying to install on is an 8.5 GB SCSI drive which I had previously installed 10.3 on and upgraded to 10.4.11 and ran for months with no problems until lately. The computer reboots from the DVD drive with no problem, and installation proceeds normally from the first CD. But then the computer will not restart so that installation from CDs 2 and 3 can proceed. What's going on? Have I forgotten or overlooked something? How doI get this computer to complete the installation process? Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Reinstalling OS 10.3 on a Beige G3
On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:26 PM, skyking...@verizon.net wrote: I'm trying to re-install OS X on my Beige G3 using XPostFacto. The hard drive I'm trying to install on is an 8.5 GB SCSI drive which I had previously installed 10.3 on and upgraded to 10.4.11 and ran for months with no problems until lately. The built-in SCSI isn't such a good idea in comparison to the built-in ATA. The only advantage the SCSI has is lacking the 1st 8GB partition rule, and that's easy enough to bypass on the ATA using XPF's Helper Disk Boot Option. I think the SCSI is slower and more problematic in OS X than the ATA, but... it should work if necessary. The computer reboots from the DVD drive with no problem, and installation proceeds normally from the first CD. But then the computer will not restart so that installation from CDs 2 and 3 can proceed. What's going on? Have I forgotten or overlooked something? How do I get this computer to complete the installation process? You have to install the XPF extensions onto the newly installed OS X System software because the initial installation is clean or vanilla. The easiest way to do this is boot OS 9.x and use XPF to Install Everything onto the newly installed OS X System, then use XPF to select the new System as the startup partition, and reboot. I'd also recommend setting the XPF Options to Input device:keyboard, Output device:monitor(or your Radeon card), and check the verbose flag. Should restart and ask for the 2nd disc. If I were you I'd forget about Panther, and start over with Tiger. Tiger 10.4.11 runs fine, and is faster and MUCH better supported by current applications than Panther. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
At 4:03 PM -0500 1/15/10, Dana Collins wrote: 2) I use Tiger 10.4.11 on my *G3* 400MHz Pismo, and it runs flawlessly (inc. Safari 4.0.4), really an excellent OS, and my top vote. My G3 400 MHz Pismo also runs flawlessly on Tiger 10.4.11. It provides a compatible platform for visiting grandchildren to do their homework when visiting. - Maretta -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
CS3 runs under 10.4.11, which is a bit faster and a lot less problematic on your Mac than Leopard, so I don’t see any reason for you to move to 10.5. See if you can increase the RAM, though, because CS3 is a heavy-weight pgm for such a computer. 512 MB RAM modules are less than 20 $ now, but you’ll have to find out exactly which G4 model you have (at Apple or Wikipedia) to know how much is the RAM ceiling. stevo137 wrote: There are certain programs i wanted to run on the mac such as adobe cs3. I was wonderig if it would run too slow if i upgraded to 10.5 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
For you best is the 10.4 Period. 400 Mhz. That's the reason. 10.5 is not offically supported but even you can install it will be slow on your Mac. 2010/1/15 stevo137 stevo...@hotmail.com I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
There are certain programs i wanted to run on the mac such as adobe cs3. I was wonderig if it would run too slow if i upgraded to 10.5 On Jan 16, 9:01 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jan 16, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Geke wrote: I agree with the general public here. My G4 Digital Audio 466, with 1.25 gb RAM now, runs smoothly on 10.4.11, but I wouldn’t want it to get any slower. The speed curve on PPCs went up until Tiger, but after that it went down again, meaning that Tiger is faster than Panther, but Leopard is slower than Tiger. If you can give specific reasons why you would want to upgrade to 10.5, people can give more detailed advice, or alternative solutions that work in 10.4. Speaking in general, I think 10.4.11 is the sweet spot for your Mac. stevo137 wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? Stevo Is there a program you have to have 10.5 for? I just put 10.5.8 on one of my doctors G4 700 iMac's PITA 5 hours With CCC but they have a scheduling app that also runs on their new Intel G5 iMacs and has to have 10.5, otherwise Tiger is the ruler on the PPCs. Leopard has some nice features. Spaces is one But like I said before don't try to rip and burn It doesn't work on any of my PPC machines Single or dual. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 16, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:38 AM, Peter Kim wrote: I have 10.5 running on my TiBook/867, and it works, but it's working hard. Things are not as snappy, and the fans run fairly often. There are features that you can turn off, and other things you can do to help, but I would stay away from 10.5 unless you like being patient. As I've said before, I agree with this. Leopard seems around 20% slower than Tiger on all my PPC Macs, and I've had to downgrade a 1.67 GHz G4 aluminum PowerBook for a friend who said his Adobe Photoshop was TOO SLOW in Leopard, but USABLE in Tiger. It's not just me, others notice this slowness, and both Xbench and GeekBench result archives will confirm Leopard is slower on PPC Macs. I vote 10.4 Tiger for certain for all PCC Macs with the possible exception of the faster multi-CPU G5 PowerMacs. I have a dual boot G5 Dual 2.7 PowerMac 10.5.8 10.4.11 The Leopard runs good on it but I still have rip and toast issues with all my PPC machine running Leopard. I say Leopard is an Intel system. It does have some nice features but you really need the dual processors if you're going with PPC. but that's just me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
I agree with the general public here. My G4 Digital Audio 466, with 1.25 gb RAM now, runs smoothly on 10.4.11, but I wouldn’t want it to get any slower. The speed curve on PPCs went up until Tiger, but after that it went down again, meaning that Tiger is faster than Panther, but Leopard is slower than Tiger. If you can give specific reasons why you would want to upgrade to 10.5, people can give more detailed advice, or alternative solutions that work in 10.4. Speaking in general, I think 10.4.11 is the sweet spot for your Mac. stevo137 wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 16, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Geke wrote: I agree with the general public here. My G4 Digital Audio 466, with 1.25 gb RAM now, runs smoothly on 10.4.11, but I wouldn’t want it to get any slower. The speed curve on PPCs went up until Tiger, but after that it went down again, meaning that Tiger is faster than Panther, but Leopard is slower than Tiger. If you can give specific reasons why you would want to upgrade to 10.5, people can give more detailed advice, or alternative solutions that work in 10.4. Speaking in general, I think 10.4.11 is the sweet spot for your Mac. stevo137 wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? Stevo Is there a program you have to have 10.5 for? I just put 10.5.8 on one of my doctors G4 700 iMac's PITA 5 hours With CCC but they have a scheduling app that also runs on their new Intel G5 iMacs and has to have 10.5, otherwise Tiger is the ruler on the PPCs. Leopard has some nice features. Spaces is one But like I said before don't try to rip and burn It doesn't work on any of my PPC machines Single or dual. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On 1/16/10 2:04 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: As I've said before, I agree with this. Leopard seems around 20% slower than Tiger on all my PPC Macs Can someone please wish this thread away? Kris, along with many other shave said this many, many times: need I repeat? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
Do you run OS 9 at all? If you do I think 10.4.11 is as high as you can go and still operate under system 9. I have a Digital Audio G4 which runs great under 10.4.11. I also have a processor upgrade. On Jan 15, 12:26 pm, stevo137 stevo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
I've got a G4 iBook running 10.5 Server, and it runs OK. The thing is, my G4 is a 1.42GHz, which is a bit heftier than yours. My suggestion is this: if you have the ability to try both, try 10.5 first and see how it runs. If it doesn't work out, you can fall back on 10.4, which is a great OS in my opinion. On Jan 15, 9:26 am, stevo137 stevo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
At 09:26 -0800 1/15/10, stevo137 wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? If you have any other older Macs around be careful about upgrading above 10.3.9. Tiger (10.4) terminates the ability to access any Mac operating less than 8.5 or so using the AppleTalk filing protocols over ethernet. I had to back out my G4-400 to keep my SE/30 file server operational. This 8500 running 9.1 spoke to OS 10.4 but I avoid trying to use it as a file server even with 10.3.9. The only thing I miss is the extensive improvements to X-11 in newer Mac OS X's. 10.5 does not repair the damage though I'm pretty sure it can be used on your G4. -- Applescript syntax is like English spelling: Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
I would only go to Tiger 10.4.11, if you are trying to get Panther to run better try another web browser like: thunderbird, camino, endua, firefox or seamonkey etc etc etc (firefox might be a problem)... -Original Message- From: stevo137 stevo...@hotmail.com Sent: Jan 15, 2010 12:26 PM To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5? I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 15, 9:26 am, stevo137 stevo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? At 9:40 AM -0800 1/15/10, brettallica wrote: I've got a G4 iBook running 10.5 Server, and it runs OK. The thing is, my G4 is a 1.42GHz, Which is a major discrepancy. The official minimum requirement for 10.5 is an 867 MHz G4, so while a 1.42 GHz will run it fine, you should expect some problems installing it on a 400 MHz G4. http://support.apple.com/kb/SP517 Bob -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
Yes, yes it is. That's why I wrote The thing is, my G4 is a 1.42GHz, which is a bit heftier than yours. I had to include those qualifiers so the original poster understood that my machine is more equipped to handle the OS in question, and **even then** it still doesn't run it well — it runs OK; i.e. not necessarily good and not necessarily well. It runs OK/acceptable...with a much better processor. Deduction would take a person to thinking that if it runs just OK on a processor with with thrice the hertz, it probably would not come close to OK on the lesser processor. I'm sure it wasn't your intention because we're all in this together, but your paring of my original text change the intended meaning. On Jan 15, 11:14 am, Bob Whiton m...@rswhiton.com wrote: On Jan 15, 9:26 am, stevo137 stevo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? At 9:40 AM -0800 1/15/10, brettallica wrote: I've got a G4 iBook running 10.5 Server, and it runs OK. The thing is, my G4 is a 1.42GHz, Which is a major discrepancy. The official minimum requirement for 10.5 is an 867 MHz G4, so while a 1.42 GHz will run it fine, you should expect some problems installing it on a 400 MHz G4. http://support.apple.com/kb/SP517 Bob -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
At 11:51 AM -0800 1/15/10, brettallica wrote: Yes, yes it is. That's why I wrote The thing is, my G4 is a 1.42GHz, which is a bit heftier than yours. I had to include those qualifiers so the original poster understood that my machine is more equipped to handle the OS in question, and **even then** it still doesn't run it well - it runs OK; i.e. not necessarily good and not necessarily well. It runs OK/acceptable...with a much better processor. Deduction would take a person to thinking that if it runs just OK on a processor with with thrice the hertz, it probably would not come close to OK on the lesser processor. I'm sure it wasn't your intention because we're all in this together, but your paring of my original text change the intended meaning. But you left out the important point that his machine is below the minimum requirements, hence my post. BTW, the mix of top and bottom posting really gets confusing. Bob -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 15, 12:28 pm, Bob Whiton m...@rswhiton.com wrote: But you left out the important point that his machine is below the minimum requirements, hence my post. BTW, the mix of top and bottom posting really gets confusing. Bob I'm not sure what the official format for responding is in this forum setup, so I just do it like an e-mail. I suppose that's in the rules somewhere, but I never RTFM. :-) Anyway, hopefully our input will be helpful for the author of this thread. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On 1/15/10 12:26 PM, stevo137 of stevo...@hotmail.com sent I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? Hello Steve, Been following this short thread. As the others have sagely suggested: 1) G4 @867MHz is the base minimum for 10.5. OWC's Leopard Assist helps with installing 10,5 on lower clocked CPUs, but I believe their target floor is the highest DA's clock speed of 733MHz (Leopard left so many DA and QS owners out of the loop). Expect big problems trying to get 10.5 on a 400MHz unit. Even if successful, I envision a s-l-o-w performance experience. 2) I use Tiger 10.4.11 on my *G3* 400MHz Pismo, and it runs flawlessly (inc. Safari 4.0.4), really an excellent OS, and my top vote. 3) As Doug mentioned, if remaining connected with old-world Macs is a concern, then stay with 10.3 (.9) Otherwise, go with Tiger. Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 15, 2010, at 7:35 PM, John Carmonne wrote: G4 400 is too slow for 10.5.8 I have 3 G4 cubes with 10.4.11 they work great but Leopard really doesn't like them IMHO. The only way you can get Leopard on it is CCC real slow about 4 hours easy PITA. Unless you have a program that absolutly has to have 10.5 stick to Tiger You could also use a comp that mets the 876MHz rule to install onto the 400MHz Mac by either pulling the hard drive or booting the 400MHz into firewire target disc mode, plugging it into the 876MHz Mac with a firewire cable, then booting the leo installer on the 876MHz MAc and installing onto the firewire 'hard drive' (the other Mac.) This also works for installing Tiger onto a non-DVD equipped system without the CD set. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Dana Collins wrote: On 1/15/10 12:26 PM, stevo137 of stevo...@hotmail.com sent I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? Hello Steve, Been following this short thread. As the others have sagely suggested: I cloned a 10.5 onto my dual DA 533 and it works ok. Tiger is supposedly faster than Panther, isn't it? If the G4 in question has an AGP video, it (10.5) should at least work, shouldn't it? I would go with Tiger. G4 400 is too slow for 10.5.8 I have 3 G4 cubes with 10.4.11 they work great but Leopard really doesn't like them IMHO. The only way you can get Leopard on it is CCC real slow about 4 hours easy PITA. Unless you have a program that absolutly has to have 10.5 stick to Tiger John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Dana Collins wrote: On 1/15/10 12:26 PM, stevo137 of stevo...@hotmail.com sent I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? Hello Steve, Been following this short thread. As the others have sagely suggested: I cloned a 10.5 onto my dual DA 533 and it works ok. Tiger is supposedly faster than Panther, isn't it? If the G4 in question has an AGP video, it (10.5) should at least work, shouldn't it? I would go with Tiger. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Trying to work out some bugs with os 10.3 server
I have two 128 and one 256 of pc133 (I swear it makes a diff. EVEN ON 100 MHz bus g4s), so I'll send u the 512mb for $35 with insurance. Also have an unused copy of 10.5.4 server unlimited because apple accidentally sent me two copies. Contact me at nylahotti...@aim.com or IM me when I'm online. Leopard Server works great on my gigabit dual 500 with a gig of ram and geforce 6200/256mb which is fully core image accerated. It's nowhere near sluggish. Definitely usable. TTYS. On Feb 10, 2:07 am, Nathan T. Templeton pb2...@gci.net wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: OS10 server is a whole new deal. I would recommend 10.4 Server. I found it on the pirate bay with an unlimited serial number and it works great. I was able to find different manuals online. look on ebay for documentation.-Jonas It is unwise to publicly announce that you're using pirated software, especially $1000 pirated software, especially since it's easy to get a 10-user copy of 10.3 or 10.4 (more than sufficient to learn with) for a song, legally. I've seen it go for $50-$75 many times. Would completely agree here.. Just don't know if U I can really run 10.4 on this G4/400/512. Unless I can find some PC/100 256 or 512 chips this is where it's going to stay. Tried some PC/133 and it was unstable if it even booted at all.. Nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Trying to work out some bugs with os 10.3 server
Hello Gents, Hoping to tap some good talent this evening.. I just got my hands on a copy of 10.3 server which I have installed on my G4/400. I want to use this as my file server, catch all for my network here. Here is the issue, I didn't get any documentation, just the jewel case, so I have been googlin to try and figure out how to add my linux mint workstation and windows partition so that everything is seen avail over the network. All computers are connected via a Netgear 10/100 router. I can ping all IP's. I can see the windows share on my Mint/Windows box.. But I have zero connectivity from my mac.. Getting a bit frustrated here.. So a bit of insight would be great. Thanks so much in advance everyone.. Nathan - When you are Sierra-Oscar-Lima. I'm Hotel-Tango-Hotel. - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Trying to work out some bugs with os 10.3 server
OS10 server is a whole new deal. I would recommend 10.4 Server. I found it on the pirate bay with an unlimited serial number and it works great. I was able to find different manuals online. look on ebay for documentation.-Jonas On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Nathan T. Templeton pb2...@gci.net wrote: Hello Gents, Hoping to tap some good talent this evening.. I just got my hands on a copy of 10.3 server which I have installed on my G4/400. I want to use this as my file server, catch all for my network here. Here is the issue, I didn't get any documentation, just the jewel case, so I have been googlin to try and figure out how to add my linux mint workstation and windows partition so that everything is seen avail over the network. All computers are connected via a Netgear 10/100 router. I can ping all IP's. I can see the windows share on my Mint/Windows box.. But I have zero connectivity from my mac.. Getting a bit frustrated here.. So a bit of insight would be great. Thanks so much in advance everyone.. Nathan - When you are Sierra-Oscar-Lima. I'm Hotel-Tango-Hotel. - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Trying to work out some bugs with os 10.3 server
On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: OS10 server is a whole new deal. I would recommend 10.4 Server. I found it on the pirate bay with an unlimited serial number and it works great. I was able to find different manuals online. look on ebay for documentation.-Jonas It is unwise to publicly announce that you're using pirated software, especially $1000 pirated software, especially since it's easy to get a 10-user copy of 10.3 or 10.4 (more than sufficient to learn with) for a song, legally. I've seen it go for $50-$75 many times. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Trying to work out some bugs with os 10.3 server
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: OS10 server is a whole new deal. I would recommend 10.4 Server. I found it on the pirate bay with an unlimited serial number and it works great. I was able to find different manuals online. look on ebay for documentation.-Jonas It is unwise to publicly announce that you're using pirated software, especially $1000 pirated software, especially since it's easy to get a 10-user copy of 10.3 or 10.4 (more than sufficient to learn with) for a song, legally. I've seen it go for $50-$75 many times. Would completely agree here.. Just don't know if U I can really run 10.4 on this G4/400/512. Unless I can find some PC/100 256 or 512 chips this is where it's going to stay. Tried some PC/133 and it was unstable if it even booted at all.. Nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
At 21:51 -0500 11/4/08, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: I've been using Firefox, don't care about Safari. I have not been able to install Firefox 3.x.x.x on OS 10.3.9. It seems to require 10.4 or newer on Apple boxes. Firefox 2.x.x.x works fine right now but some web sites are now fixing that. -- -- From the USSA, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
I just upgraded from a G3/1000 B/W running 10.3.9 to a Quicksilver G4/867 with a Radeon 9700 running 10.4.11. The latter is much slower to boot, and seems noticeably slower to start programs like Thunderbird. Rightly or wrongly, I attribute the difference to the higher demands of Tiger. On Nov 3, 6:29 pm, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10.4 runs on almost anything quicker than 10.3. ~Andrew --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Al Poulin wrote: I'd go after 10.4 but I'd need a new processor. True, unless you use some geekish techniques to fool the 733MHz problem. What '733 MHz problem'??? That only applied to some iLife programs, like iDVD and Garage Band. 10.4 will run VERY WELL on her Mac, and 10.3 is a poor match for ANYTHING these days since MANY programs require 10.4 or better. There were enormous changes made 'under the hood' between 10.3 and 10.4 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
I've been using Firefox, don't care about Safari. On Tuesday, November 4, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Al wrote: Oops, I said wrong, thinking of 10.5 Leopard! Sorry. And, indeed, the Panther version of Safari is in a sorry state these days. Al Poulin Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
OS 10.3
Wondering the best way to get a copy of this - Apple sez they don't offer it anymore. Used or new? Ebay? Amazon? Is this legal? I'd go after 10.4 but I'd need a new processor. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
On Nov 3, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Wondering the best way to get a copy of this - Apple sez they don't offer it anymore. Used or new? Ebay? Amazon? Is this legal? I'd go after 10.4 but I'd need a new processor. I'm running Tiger off a 400MHz PCI Graphics. Why not 10.4? I believe it runs faster than Panther. 10.5 requires the Core Image graphics cards, but can be made to run on q 733MHz, I believe. I have Leopard on my QS Dual 1GHz. Legal copies are around ... try the LEM Swap List from time to time, too. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:41 PM, insightinmind wrote: Legal copies are around ... try the LEM Swap List from time to time, too. I obtained a legal copy of 10.3 Server off of LEM Swap ... unlimited clients, and reasonably priced. A legal copy (copy really isn't the correct term, perhaps instance is more correct) would contain at least: 1) the original retail CD-ROMs or DVD, 2) the installation manual, and 3) the peel off serial number tabs, one for the manual, one for whatever and one for your archives. (Although we all know it is against Apple's EULA to install MacOS X on a machine for which it is not intended, most know it is possible to circumvent these controls. This circumvention would certainly include modification of an installation CD or DVD which was intended for a specific model, and no others, to become a generic install media (it's possible, Apple's controls in this specific respect have already been cracked), but also modification of such media which was intended for an Apple platform to include a generic platform). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
Why do you think you would need a new processor to run 10.4? I have 10.4.11 running happily on my PowerBook 2000 (Pismo/400MHz G3) and on my Quicksilver Tower (867MHz G4). - Maretta At 7:23 PM -0500 11/03/08, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Wondering the best way to get a copy of this - Apple sez they don't offer it anymore. Used or new? Ebay? Amazon? Is this legal? I'd go after 10.4 but I'd need a new processor. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
Hi Anne, On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:23 , Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Wondering the best way to get a copy of this - Apple sez they don't offer it anymore. Used or new? Ebay? Amazon? Is this legal? I'd go after 10.4 but I'd need a new processor. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.downtoearthweb.com Don't know what your usage might be, but I'm running Leopard on a Digital Audio 733 and it's fine for my uses. I suspect Tiger would be fine on your QS. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
At 17:22 -0800 11/3/08, Amanda Ward wrote: Don't know what your usage might be, but I'm running Leopard on a Digital Audio 733 and it's fine for my uses. I suspect Tiger would be fine on your QS. Tiger disables AppleTalk over ethernet which makes it impossible to mount a file that resides on an OS 7 Mac. 10.3.9 is as high as you can go if you want to keep that SE/30 file server running. Other than that 10.4 ran fine on my Sawtooth G4 until I want back to 10.3.9. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
