Re: Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

>> 
>> 
>> And then we throw THIS monkey wrench into the cogworks...
> 
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/26/cluster_based_steganography/

Not really applicable to stolen bandwidth, unless they're stealing your drive 
space as well to store their stuff. This is a straightforward application of 
steganography, simply applied to a somewhat larger structure than the usual one 
which is a single file.

Also this is a Reg article, an organization not well known for getting their 
facts straight or keeping their politics confined to the editorial side.

Reading the article shows that there are significant limitations to the 
technique.

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Stephen Conrad]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

> Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the electronic
> ones open all the time.
>
> 
>
>
>  And then we throw THIS monkey wrench into the cogworks...


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/26/cluster_based_steganography/


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Re: Lock your doors....

[James E. Therrault]

On Apr 25, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the electronic 
> ones open all the time.
> 
> 



Can you say, "Wired only!"???

JT



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Re: Lock your doors....

[Tina K.]

On 2011/04/26 10:50, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

On Apr 26, 2011, at 9:36 AM, iJohn wrote:


>  The only thing worse than not securing your network is the poor folks
>  who THINK they've secured it but are using WEP. To my understanding
>  WEP is getting to be so laughably easy to hack that I would expect it
>  to be the next easiest way to steal Wi-Fi.

Actually, no. Any kind of lock is good enough to make the perp aim his pringles 
can a floor lower. Why bother?


I would agree with that in general, but if all the networks within range 
of said moocher/perp are secured and they are determined to get online 
via someone else's connection they will choose the weakest link.


FWIW all the networks within range of my MP are password protected, it's 
rare that I see a private unsecured network in these parts. With a 1.5 
MBs DSL connection costing only $20 I think few people would rely on 
'borrowed' bandwidth on a regular basis unless they had something to 
hide or destitute.


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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:

> 
> On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the article ... and I love the "ROFLMAO" ... you used it b4, and 
>>> I like it as much now as then ... although it does imply a rather personal 
>>> body part ... maybe I should change my codes again to throw off the Feds  
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> ROFLMAO
>> 
>> 
>> Why do you worry they'll think you're a communist?
>> 
>>  8-P
> 
> Thanks, Bruce. I new I could trust a non plain link from you. Not that you 
> would g*, rickroll or, god forbid, friday us.

Hey you know I'm never gonna give up, never gonna let you down 8-P

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Len Gerstel]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

Thanks for the article ... and I love the "ROFLMAO" ... you used  
it b4, and I like it as much now as then ... although it does  
imply a rather personal body part ... maybe I should change my  
codes again to throw off the Feds  ...


ROFLMAO



Why do you worry they'll think you're a communist?

 8-P


Thanks, Bruce. I new I could trust a non plain link from you. Not  
that you would g*, rickroll or, god forbid, friday us.


Len


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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> Thanks for the article ... and I love the "ROFLMAO" ... you used it b4, and I 
> like it as much now as then ... although it does imply a rather personal body 
> part ... maybe I should change my codes again to throw off the Feds  ...
> 
> ROFLMAO


Why do you worry they'll think you're a communist?

 8-P

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 9:36 AM, iJohn wrote:

> The only thing worse than not securing your network is the poor folks
> who THINK they've secured it but are using WEP. To my understanding
> WEP is getting to be so laughably easy to hack that I would expect it
> to be the next easiest way to steal Wi-Fi.

Actually, no. Any kind of lock is good enough to make the perp aim his pringles 
can a floor lower. Why bother?

Yes WEP CAN be easy to crack but it's still not a no-brainer and still not a 
thing most moochers would do. 

And no, putting it on Bones or CSI (or "Law and Order: The endless supply of 
Clones", or "NCIS: The Increasingly juvenile spinoffs") will help because by my 
hasty recollections ISTR it being done several times, already, on several of 
the shows.

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Re: Lock your doors....

[iJohn]

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Yersinia  wrote:
> ... having "open" wi-fi didn't bother me at all (until recently), my wi-fi is 
> still
> unlocked because I don't know frickin HOW to lock it up.

Ignorance can truly be bliss, no doubt. As for HOW to lock it up, I'm
sure you would get guidance about that her if you just ask. But I
suggest you start a new thread if decided to do that ... and I DO
suggest you secure your network. It would help to know the make and
model number of your router if you do ask for help.

Basically, doing it by hand requires two steps, less or more. (1)
Enter and activate a password on your router and (2) go around to your
devices which use Wi-Fi and reaccess your now protected network by
entering the password on the router.  As for Wi-Fi passwords, I tend
to go overboard and use a 63 byte psuedo-random one generated by this
site:
https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm

My way of saying to world, "Hack THAT, sucker!" Most people probably
just use the name of one of their pets or children.  The
important thing is to use WPA2 or at least WPA and not use WEP. Using
WEP is a lot like locking the screen door to prevent access to your
house. It's more of suggestion to "keep out" than a true security
measure at this point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access

As for the child porn story, I first saw a version of it as an NBC
news piece. It is still viewable for the cost of an annoying
commercial on the MSNBC web site:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41985312#41985312

I would think that some of the folks on this list would find this
version of the tale interesting if for no other reason than it
exploits the infamous Pringle's can Wi-Fi antenna. It wasn't any of
this idiot's immediate neighbors. He lived in a hi-rise near/on the
water front and the guy stealing his network was on a boat a football
field or two away. But it was a completely clear line-of-site to the
victim's apartment.

The only thing worse than not securing your network is the poor folks
who THINK they've secured it but are using WEP. To my understanding
WEP is getting to be so laughably easy to hack that I would expect it
to be the next easiest way to steal Wi-Fi.

I predict that a few percent of the general public (at most) will
FINALLY take notice of this and try to secure their Wi-Fi after this
story is woven in as a sub-plot on one of the TV police procedurals.
Probably one of the CSI series, but I could see it on NCIS or Bones or
whatever too.

-irrational john

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Bill Connelly]

On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Yersinia wrote:


On 4/25/11 11:21 PM, Dan wrote:

At 4:37 PM -0700 4/25/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the  
electronic ones open all the time.





ROFLMAO

People here in South Jersey still leave their doors and cars  
unlocked.  Getting them to lock down their wi-fi networks?  Yea  
right.


sigh...  To make it easier to service FiOS installations, Verizon  
has been installing the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) on the  
*OUTSIDE* of homes.  Pop the door's locking screw, open its hatch,  
and you immediately have free access to that home's cat5, coax, and  
phone ports!


- Dan.


I lived in Washington DC for 15 years (79-95), and that is where I  
learned to lock my doors (not a current administration political  
statement) ... always. I still do it here back in my smallish  
hometown ... we have gang activity.


Just changed my WEP Code, (and use MAC Authentication) because here in  
the Buckle of the Bible Belt, we have the child porn issue. The  
religiosity seems to attract them, among other things. Celebrity's  
work with the Feds to catch folks, too ... although I cannot remember  
who that is at present ...


Thanks for the article ... and I love the "ROFLMAO" ... you used it  
b4, and I like it as much now as then ... although it does imply a  
rather personal body part ... maybe I should change my codes again to  
throw off the Feds  ...


ROFLMAO

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Re: Lock your doors....

[Yersinia]

On 4/25/11 11:21 PM, Dan wrote:

At 4:37 PM -0700 4/25/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the 
electronic ones open all the time.





ROFLMAO

People here in South Jersey still leave their doors and cars 
unlocked.  Getting them to lock down their wi-fi networks?  Yea right.


sigh...  To make it easier to service FiOS installations, Verizon has 
been installing the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) on the *OUTSIDE* of 
homes.  Pop the door's locking screw, open its hatch, and you 
immediately have free access to that home's cat5, coax, and phone ports!


- Dan.
They leave doors and cars unlocked in rural NH also. For the whole 8+ 
years I've known him, my BF (who, incidentally, was originally from 
South Jersey but had escaped from NJ about 10 years before I met him) 
has never locked the door to his house, and only occasionally his car or 
truck -- and that was only when he was visiting me in my Sewer Rat Nest 
and I taught him he had to, at least when he was visiting ME (in 
Elizabeth NJ, where I lived for 25 years until I finally escaped from NJ 
too, with his help -- yes, horrors but I can admit it in public, now 
that I don't live there anymore).


Well, my city dwelling Sewer Rat tendencies from a quarter of a decade 
in the Sewer are such that I am a habitual door locker (i.e., apartment 
and car),  the kind who actually checks to make sure I locked the 
apartment or car, whichever applied at the time, when 
over-stressed/spaced out. In fact, soon after my escape (to a small town 
in NH) I :blush: accidentally locked myself out on the upstairs 
porch this winter when it was in the teens and had to stay out there for 
over an hour until a neighbor could rescue me.  :blush:


Ah well. Now about that wi-fi security thing. I read the article Bruce 
linked to, and this was the first I had heard of innocent people being 
accused of downloading child porn because some pervert used their 
non-secured wi-fi connection to download it. I WAS familiar with the 
concept of the "32% of all people have tried to access other people's 
wi-fi networks" thing, though, because, I will admit, when I originally 
got my iBook (summer 2007) which had Airport, and found that networks 
were showing up when I sat in my living room with it, I was occasionally 
an opportunist. Translation:


98% of the time I used my own Internet connection (dialup until I 
finally got DSL in the fall of 2009). However, every so often if I was 
on the iBook, I would try to join networks it detected just to see if I 
could. If they were secured (i.e., I got a prompt asking for a 
password), that was the end of my attempt on that network. If it wasn't 
secured and I got right on, yeah, I would use it for a few minutes. Not 
for child porn though. LOL I would use it to peek around on some of my 
Sims forums just amazed that I was able to do it at all (not to mention 
wowed by the high speed), and was too lazy to go back in the bedroom on 
the Quicksilver to use my legitimate Internet access.


BUT, and now comes the dicey part. After a few months, I had managed to 
remember the names of the secured networks and which ones I could get 
on. So occasionally on one of the monthly Sims contests I would 
participate on at some of the forums, I began to get on the iBook and 
"borrow" half an hour to maybe an hour or so to upload Sim pictures 
(challenge/contest entries) to my Photobucket account (or look at the 
other entries posted by my "competitors" on THEIR Photobucket accounts). 
That used to take me literally DAYS on my dialup account; I only had the 
patience to spend 3-4 hours at a time waiting for my uploads to go up or 
to see all the other Simmers' pictures, and I would need to upload (or 
look at) 25-50 Sim pictures per challenge/contest entry. So it would 
take me anywhere from 3 days to a week to upload my pics/look at others 
on my dialup connection, compared to an hour or maybe a little less if I 
"borrowed" a little wi-fi. So yeah, I used to do that (and no, none of 
us had any naked or otherwise inappropriate pictures of Sim children!).


Obviously, when I finally got DSL in 2009 I didn't need to do that 
anymore, and in fact, since my BF gave me a router, I was able to have 
my own little network and go online in the living room with the iBook's 
Airport legitimately. Now back then I was quite deliberate in not 
securing my network -- I had, after all, occasionally "borrowed" wi-fi 
from neighbors, and I honestly felt that leaving mine open would be 
"returning the favor" to some other neighbor who was still in the 
position I had only just gotten out of -- stuck on dialup, unable to 
afford high speed Internet.


As time went on -- a few months to almost a year -- I noticed (from my 
iBook's Airport) that networks were "disappearing" -- both ones I 
remembered as secured as well as the ones I used to "borrow" from, and 
the new ones slowly 

Re: Lock your doors....

[Dan]

At 4:37 PM -0700 4/25/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the 
electronic ones open all the time.





ROFLMAO

People here in South Jersey still leave their doors and cars 
unlocked.  Getting them to lock down their wi-fi networks?  Yea right.


sigh...  To make it easier to service FiOS installations, Verizon has 
been installing the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) on the *OUTSIDE* 
of homes.  Pop the door's locking screw, open its hatch, and you 
immediately have free access to that home's cat5, coax, and phone 
ports!


- Dan.
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Lock your doors....

[Bruce Johnson]

Kind of obvious advice for most folks, but they still leave the electronic ones 
open all the time.



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