Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-07-03 Thread Paul
... Sometimes I've found that a perfectly sound, sweet-running Mac   will go absolutely dead after sitting for a period of weeks or months,   especially if it's been stored in an unheated room or storage place,   such as a garage. Every time, the battery still had more than 3   volts ... but

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-07-03 Thread Paul
The Gigabit and Digital Audio power supplies (22 pins on the main plug) are compatible withboth of those models (though not 100% identical), but not with the Sawtooth and G3 B/W (20 pins). I'm pretty sure you can use a G3 B/W PS in a Sawtooth, and vice versa.

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-24 Thread dc
On Jun 18, 4:46 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: You are telling me... that THE Bruce Johnson doesn't have a dozen or so Macs sitting around that he could pirate a battery from, at least long enough to fire it up. Bruce Johnson, you just dropped out of the top ten on my Heroes list,

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-22 Thread trag
On Jun 19, 10:37 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning the battery in

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-22 Thread trag
On Jun 19, 12:17 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Well, Media Computer is a bit more grandiloquent than computer attached to the teevee for the purposes of playing music, watching video podcasts, DVD's and surfing the web. I'm not doing DVR or anything

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-22 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, trag wrote: Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org Haven't looked into it in a while, but my old G4 just does not have the horsepower to do a lot of that stuff. Were I to go

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-22 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:57 AM, trag wrote: And we have a winner! Apparently, tiny bits of oxidation, or something can build up on contacts. When my VCR or TV remote stops working, I take the batteries out, swap their positions, put them back in, and I'm good for another several months

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-22 Thread Clark Martin
trag wrote: On Jun 19, 12:17 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Well, Media Computer is a bit more grandiloquent than computer attached to the teevee for the purposes of playing music, watching video podcasts, DVD's and surfing the web. I'm not doing DVR or

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-22 Thread nestamicky
On 6/22/2009 9:53 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, trag wrote: Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org Haven't looked into it in a while, but my old G4 just does not have

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-22 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:11 AM, nestamicky wrote: I second Bruce on this one, I think a Linux box would do just fine. I can't seem to find on their site though who it pulls video into the machinejust through the cat5? Or, does the machine need a capture card? yeah hardware specs call

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-19 Thread Jim Scott
On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning the battery in place is enough to

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-19 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jun 19, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Jim Scott wrote: Spun the battery around a few times, booted like a charm :-) So much for there not being enough humidity in the Arizona air to cause corrosion. :^) Well it IS the beginning of our summer rainy season, humidity is up to checks weather

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-19 Thread Jim Scott
On Jun 19, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Well it IS the beginning of our summer rainy season, humidity is up to checks weather station on campus 36% ... Wooh! That said, this could be a long-term side effect of this particular computer's history which includes episodes of 100%

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-19 Thread tortoise
On Jun 18, 2:00 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Len Gerstel
On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all in andnot a

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Yes, on a G4 a completely dead pram can cause a no start up at all. I had one in my DA die and when it was very low, CUDA'ing could get it to start. But when it went below a certain point (I did not test with a multimeter) it was dead, Jim.

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Jim Scott
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? Yep, however ... I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Jim Scott wrote: ... Sometimes I've found that a perfectly sound, sweet-running Mac will go absolutely dead after sitting for a period of weeks or months, especially if it's been stored in an unheated room or storage place, such as a garage. Nah, this was on

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Clark Martin
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Yes, on a G4 a completely dead pram can cause a no start up at all. I had one in my DA die and when it was very low, CUDA'ing could get it to start. But when it went below a certain point (I did not test with a

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? Sometimes one bad electrical contact will stop a machine. Surprisingly it does not take much corrosion or crud at all .

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Clark Martin
Jim Scott wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? Yep, however ... I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Clark Martin wrote: You are telling me... that THE Bruce Johnson doesn't have a dozen or so Macs sitting around that he could pirate a battery from, at least long enough to fire it up. Nope. She Who Must Be Obeyed starts getting irritated when the supply of

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked, something had died from the

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Jim Scott
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked, something had died from the

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Ted Treen
Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? A dead PRAM battery stopped my G4/400 booting, and the same thing happened to a G4/867 at work. IT (PC boys) diagnosed a dead mobo. He He

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Amanda Ward
Bruce... On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all in

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Clark Martin
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked,

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread James E. Therrault
Bruce Johnson wrote: Now, I have the choice of running off to Radio Shack ( 1/2 mile away), getting the battery and thus missing my delivery, (based on the Quantum Delivery Services modification of the Heisenberg principle: Any departure of the receiver from the delivery point will

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread James E. Therrault
Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual 500... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread John Martz
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ted Treented.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: A dead PRAM battery stopped my G4/400 booting, and the same thing happened to a G4/867 at work. IT (PC boys) diagnosed a dead mobo. Well, in their defense, they *were* right weren't they? The motherboard was

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread insightinmind
On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:27 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual 500... Might find an

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Mel
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 1:47 PM On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread James E. Therrault
insightinmind wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:27 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread insightinmind
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:54 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: insightinmind wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:27 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Nestamicky
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: and waiting to get the stupid new media computer set up. Well THE Bruce care to tell us how he plans to setup a media G4. Some of us will ask; what would Bruce do? I have a Sawtooth I could use to follow...

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Dana Collins
On 6/18/09 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson of john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu sent Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Tom
Well, I'm sitting out here in the desert near Albuquerque, in a very dry place, and I had a 733 DA that wasn't turned on for a couple of months, and now no matter how I try, it refuses to boot. I've done everything mentioned by others: battery, PRAM, cuda, everything, and it's dead as a doornail.

Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

2009-06-18 Thread Jonas Ulrich
I have a blue and white g3/450 and it has a bad pram battery but i just use it as a music server in the shop. Everytime it gets unplugged it won't power up. The only way I can get it to turn on is by pressing pwr button on the mobo. I just kind of blindly reach into the case and press all the