Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
... Sometimes I've found that a perfectly sound, sweet-running Mac will go absolutely dead after sitting for a period of weeks or months, especially if it's been stored in an unheated room or storage place, such as a garage. Every time, the battery still had more than 3 volts ... but the power supply is a goner. I've taken apart a few and could find nothing obviously wrong, other than some tin whiskers. Removing as many as I could once or twice, I fergit, revived the PS. My theory is that humidity does stuff to the innards of power supplies that renders them dead the first time AC juice is poured back into 'em. This may answer my question about my dead Gigabit power supplies. I should open them up and clean them, and see if that helps. Nothing to lose... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
The Gigabit and Digital Audio power supplies (22 pins on the main plug) are compatible withboth of those models (though not 100% identical), but not with the Sawtooth and G3 B/W (20 pins). I'm pretty sure you can use a G3 B/W PS in a Sawtooth, and vice versa. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 4:46 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: You are telling me... that THE Bruce Johnson doesn't have a dozen or so Macs sitting around that he could pirate a battery from, at least long enough to fire it up. Bruce Johnson, you just dropped out of the top ten on my Heroes list, now you're down there just above the List Nanny who demands bottom posting (oh, no I didn't start THAT again!). One more hint of human frailty and you'll drop to the bottom of my list, alongside Rafael I've never used steroids Palmeiro. But seriously, I have a MDD that does the same thing. Try unplugging the power cord for 10 seconds then plugging it in and immediately pressing the power startup button. It starts my MDD every time. I suspect I have a totally dead PRAM battery but it's easier to unplug it than order and install a $4.99 PRAM battery from OWC. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 19, 10:37 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning the battery in place is enough to break through the insulating coating whatever it's nature. And we have a winner! Apparently, tiny bits of oxidation, or something can build up on contacts. When my VCR or TV remote stops working, I take the batteries out, swap their positions, put them back in, and I'm good for another several months without replacing them. Spinning them works sometimes too. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 19, 12:17 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Well, Media Computer is a bit more grandiloquent than computer attached to the teevee for the purposes of playing music, watching video podcasts, DVD's and surfing the web. I'm not doing DVR or anything fancy like that. In the future I'm looking to consolidate our media libraries onto a single server and access it from all the computers in the house, but for now, I can keep stuff synched pretty easily. I have a G4 Mac Mini, 1.4 GHz, 320Gb HD, 1Gb RAM I use as a media computer. I really like the compact form factor, it sits next to the DVD player on the shelf. It has an El Gato Eye TV 250 Plus TV receiver attached. It connects to a 52 LCD HDTV. Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, trag wrote: Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org Haven't looked into it in a while, but my old G4 just does not have the horsepower to do a lot of that stuff. Were I to go that route I'd build a small Linux box or get a Mac Mini to do the job. A future project. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:57 AM, trag wrote: And we have a winner! Apparently, tiny bits of oxidation, or something can build up on contacts. When my VCR or TV remote stops working, I take the batteries out, swap their positions, put them back in, and I'm good for another several months without replacing them. Spinning them works sometimes too. This puzzled me a little, since I had removed and replaced the battery, this usually works. Must have been a little more oxidized than usual. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
trag wrote: On Jun 19, 12:17 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Well, Media Computer is a bit more grandiloquent than computer attached to the teevee for the purposes of playing music, watching video podcasts, DVD's and surfing the web. I'm not doing DVR or anything fancy like that. In the future I'm looking to consolidate our media libraries onto a single server and access it from all the computers in the house, but for now, I can keep stuff synched pretty easily. I have a G4 Mac Mini, 1.4 GHz, 320Gb HD, 1Gb RAM I use as a media computer. I really like the compact form factor, it sits next to the DVD player on the shelf. It has an El Gato Eye TV 250 Plus TV receiver attached. It connects to a 52 LCD HDTV. Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org My setup with Leopard is working so I can't really see changing to something that needs fiddling. And it doesn't support my EyeTV so No, I wouldn't consider it. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On 6/22/2009 9:53 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, trag wrote: Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org Haven't looked into it in a while, but my old G4 just does not have the horsepower to do a lot of that stuff. Were I to go that route I'd build a small Linux box or get a Mac Mini to do the job. A future project. I second Bruce on this one, I think a Linux box would do just fine. I can't seem to find on their site though who it pulls video into the machinejust through the cat5? Or, does the machine need a capture card? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:11 AM, nestamicky wrote: I second Bruce on this one, I think a Linux box would do just fine. I can't seem to find on their site though who it pulls video into the machinejust through the cat5? Or, does the machine need a capture card? yeah hardware specs call for some sort of video capture, either via a PCI or USB device. Many HD cable boxes have FW out for this purpose, too. See here http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning the battery in place is enough to break through the insulating coating whatever it's nature. And we have a winner! IN the spirit of 'What the hell, it can't hurt!' I tried that just before yanking the battery out to take with me to RatShack to show the geniuses. (They can deal with pictures or Radio Shack part#'s and nothing else) Spun the battery around a few times, booted like a charm :-) So much for there not being enough humidity in the Arizona air to cause corrosion. :^) Reminds me of how I revived a 300 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200 3.5 drive that wouldn't mount last month. Just before I was about to hit it with my last tool, the Sharpie big -maker, I decided to remove the circuit board on the bottom. Like many newer drives, there's no cable that links to the works inside. Instead, there are rows of springy contacts on the drive and a series of matching pads on the board. I made everything that was dark-looking in the contact areas nice and shiny, screwed the board back onto the drive, plugged the drive into a USB port on my iMac with my Newer Tech USB 2.0 Universal Driver Adapter (non-paid ad plug for a great tool), and activated Drive Genius 2. Lo and behold, the drive spun up, mounted and proceeded to pass every test I could throw at it. Whew, another big-gig drive saved! Moral of these two stories: clean contacts, clean contacts, clean contacts. -- Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 19, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Jim Scott wrote: Spun the battery around a few times, booted like a charm :-) So much for there not being enough humidity in the Arizona air to cause corrosion. :^) Well it IS the beginning of our summer rainy season, humidity is up to checks weather station on campus 36% ... Wooh! That said, this could be a long-term side effect of this particular computer's history which includes episodes of 100% humidity. Also 100% mud. http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/flood/index.html -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 19, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Well it IS the beginning of our summer rainy season, humidity is up to checks weather station on campus 36% ... Wooh! That said, this could be a long-term side effect of this particular computer's history which includes episodes of 100% humidity. Also 100% mud. http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/flood/index.html Ah, yes, SwampThing. I was wondering if that was the G4 in question. Well, no wonder then. I'm still amazed it works. Been through a few hurricane-induced torrential downpours in Richmond, VA, myself. :^) (Graduate of Douglas S. Freeman H.S., class of '57.) Back in 2002-03 I got some 550-580 AIO Macs from Lorraine Kerwood at MacRenewal in Eugene, OR. About a half-dozen evidently had sat on a concrete floor that had been flooded. There was rust and corrosion inside up to just above the logic board. I pulled the logic boards, scrubbed them down with a stiff plastic brush and lots of isopropyl alcohol, rinsed them with hot water, then laid them on the deck to dry in the sun. Popped them back in and, fingers crossed, plugged in and flipped the power switch on one of them. Then hit the power button. Chime! And it lit up and ran just fine ... as did the rest. Those little AIOs went into a couple of classrooms in a local elementary school where they made hundreds of kids happy for several more years. Macs are tough critters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2:00 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked, something had died from the fog. My 8500 has rust all over the metal case parts but it runs fine, after I took it apart and put it back together a few times... Rescued from heading for the dump a year or so back, and restored it. For a while I had to boot it twice, it would half start and then I hit the power key again and it would finish the second time. I didn't start my Beige G3 for a year and it appeared the PCI video card died, too bad I liked that card. Now I just tried to set the clock back for the summer and somehow I removed a bunch of jumpers accidentally, and one seems to be stuck under the motherboard ... Pulled the drive finally. No fog problem in Tucson AZ...no humidity problem, either. There's a reason they put this http://tinyurl.com/nzndsy here -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all in andnot a damn thing happens when I press the power switch. No response at all. Bangalore accent Please restart your system and we will see what we can do. Is it plugged in? Is the UPS plugged in and functioning? Have you pushed the power button? I am sorry, but I am unable to help you, Please hold for a Level 2 customer service representative./Bangalore accent Yes, on a G4 a completely dead pram can cause a no start up at all. I had one in my DA die and when it was very low, CUDA'ing could get it to start. But when it went below a certain point (I did not test with a multimeter) it was dead, Jim. Needed a new battery and all was fine. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Yes, on a G4 a completely dead pram can cause a no start up at all. I had one in my DA die and when it was very low, CUDA'ing could get it to start. But when it went below a certain point (I did not test with a multimeter) it was dead, Jim. Needed a new battery and all was fine. Mr. BurnsExcellent!/Mr. Burns Now, I have the choice of running off to Radio Shack ( 1/2 mile away), getting the battery and thus missing my delivery, (based on the Quantum Delivery Services modification of the Heisenberg principle: Any departure of the receiver from the delivery point will collapse the Delivery Arrival Uncertainty function to that point in time. Also the driver will accidentally run over your cat.) Or waiting for the delivery (which is normally around 5:30 in this neighborhood.) and waiting to get the stupid new media computer set up. (It's a shiny new teevee I'm waiting for...Costco currently has a ganga deal on a 40 LCD TV for $500) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? Yep, however ... I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all in andnot a damn thing happens when I press the power switch. No response at all. ... Sometimes I've found that a perfectly sound, sweet-running Mac will go absolutely dead after sitting for a period of weeks or months, especially if it's been stored in an unheated room or storage place, such as a garage. Every time, the battery still had more than 3 volts ... but the power supply is a goner. I've taken apart a few and could find nothing obviously wrong, other than some tin whiskers. Removing as many as I could once or twice, I fergit, revived the PS. My theory is that humidity does stuff to the innards of power supplies that renders them dead the first time AC juice is poured back into 'em. Let's hope yours has only a dead PRAM battery. Got another one you can swap in? -- Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Jim Scott wrote: ... Sometimes I've found that a perfectly sound, sweet-running Mac will go absolutely dead after sitting for a period of weeks or months, especially if it's been stored in an unheated room or storage place, such as a garage. Nah, this was on the floor of my office in the house, not 15 feet from where it had been running for years. Every time, the battery still had more than 3 volts ... but the power supply is a goner. I've taken apart a few and could find nothing obviously wrong, other than some tin whiskers. Removing as many as I could once or twice, I fergit, revived the PS. My theory is that humidity does stuff to the innards of power supplies that renders them dead the first time AC juice is poured back into 'em. Let's hope yours has only a dead PRAM battery. Got another one you can swap in? Ill pick one up later, and I have a couple of boxes in the surplus pile at work I can swap parts out of to see what's broken. GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Yes, on a G4 a completely dead pram can cause a no start up at all. I had one in my DA die and when it was very low, CUDA'ing could get it to start. But when it went below a certain point (I did not test with a multimeter) it was dead, Jim. Needed a new battery and all was fine. Mr. BurnsExcellent!/Mr. Burns Now, I have the choice of running off to Radio Shack ( 1/2 mile away), getting the battery and thus missing my delivery, You are telling me... that THE Bruce Johnson doesn't have a dozen or so Macs sitting around that he could pirate a battery from, at least long enough to fire it up. Hm... Not to mention a cabinet drawer with several 1/2 AA Li batteries. (based on the Quantum Delivery Services modification of the Heisenberg principle: Any departure of the receiver from the delivery point will collapse the Delivery Arrival Uncertainty function to that point in time. Also the driver will accidentally run over your cat.) No, he will and will not run over Schroedinger's cat. Or waiting for the delivery (which is normally around 5:30 in this neighborhood.) and waiting to get the stupid new media computer set up. (It's a shiny new teevee I'm waiting for...Costco currently has a ganga deal on a 40 LCD TV for $500) -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? Sometimes one bad electrical contact will stop a machine. Surprisingly it does not take much corrosion or crud at all . If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning the battery in place is enough to break through the insulating coating whatever it's nature. If the machine still does not start try cleaning some more important cable and power connections. Is the power switch on the keyboard? My older Macs have had corrosion deadened circuits blocking the ADB link after sitting for a while. This gets multiplied when connected to a KVM setup as mine was. I have run 604 systems sans battery. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Jim Scott wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? Yep, however ... I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all in andnot a damn thing happens when I press the power switch. No response at all. ... Sometimes I've found that a perfectly sound, sweet-running Mac will go absolutely dead after sitting for a period of weeks or months, especially if it's been stored in an unheated room or storage place, such as a garage. Every time, the battery still had more than 3 volts ... but the power supply is a goner. I've taken apart a few and could find nothing obviously wrong, other than some tin whiskers. Removing as many as I could once or twice, I fergit, revived the PS. My theory is that humidity does stuff to the innards of power supplies that renders them dead the first time AC juice is poured back into 'em. Let's hope yours has only a dead PRAM battery. Got another one you can swap in? -- Jim I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked, something had died from the fog. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Clark Martin wrote: You are telling me... that THE Bruce Johnson doesn't have a dozen or so Macs sitting around that he could pirate a battery from, at least long enough to fire it up. Nope. She Who Must Be Obeyed starts getting irritated when the supply of computers in the house outnumbers the inhabitants by orders of magnitude :-) Not to mention a cabinet drawer with several 1/2 AA Li batteries. Yep, last one I had around here went into the trash as dead long ago. When I need one I get a new one, normally not an issue, I can easily hit Radio Shack or an excellent electronics supply store on my way home from work. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked, something had died from the fog. No fog problem in Tucson AZ...no humidity problem, either. There's a reason they put this http://tinyurl.com/nzndsy here -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked, something had died from the fog. I'll trade the northern coastal rain forest I live in, Eureka -- Humboldt County -- CA, for the hot hellhole of AZ (been there, visited relatives, done that) anytime. But I do not like what all the humidity does to computers, etc. out here on the edge of the Pacific if they're not used regularly. -- Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? A dead PRAM battery stopped my G4/400 booting, and the same thing happened to a G4/867 at work. IT (PC boys) diagnosed a dead mobo. He He --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Bruce... On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all in andnot a damn thing happens when I press the power switch. No response at all. I cannot locate my %...@$@# multimeter right now so I can't test the battery, but I pressed the cuda, removed the battery for a while pressed the cuda and tried restarting it. Nada. Same if I remove the battery. I know that low PRAM batteries can prevent booting in at least Beige G3's, but I thought they would all boot if there was no battery at all. Anyone have a pinout of the switch cable? I'm wondering if I can bypass the switch assembly, take at least ONE thing out of the loop for testing, or is this just a dead PS? I've got some units I can part- swap for testing, but they're at work, and I'm stuck at home today waiting on UPS. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD You do realize... it isn't Talk like a Pirate Day? Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked, something had died from the fog. No fog problem in Tucson AZ...no humidity problem, either. Oh, I don't know. When I was in Phoenix it seemed like many people were ready to pass out when the humidity was high, you know, around 5%. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Bruce Johnson wrote: Now, I have the choice of running off to Radio Shack ( 1/2 mile away), getting the battery and thus missing my delivery, (based on the Quantum Delivery Services modification of the Heisenberg principle: Any departure of the receiver from the delivery point will collapse the Delivery Arrival Uncertainty function to that point in time. Also the driver will accidentally run over your cat.) Or waiting for the delivery (which is normally around 5:30 in this neighborhood.) and waiting to get the stupid new media computer set up. (It's a shiny new teevee I'm waiting for...Costco currently has a ganga deal on a 40 LCD TV for $500) Don't expect to git no stinkin' $9 battery from Radio Shack. I think that I had to pony up $14 a few years back when I was trying to revive a comotose dual G4 500 Gigabit. Toss the teevee, it'll only rot your mind, dumb down your kids and otherwise cause consternation while yet, your G4 lies in a useless state. But, you might try a few sharp slaps broadside which often reconnects severed connections... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual 500... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ted Treented.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: A dead PRAM battery stopped my G4/400 booting, and the same thing happened to a G4/867 at work. IT (PC boys) diagnosed a dead mobo. Well, in their defense, they *were* right weren't they? The motherboard was essentially dead ... until you replaced the battery. And if you think about it, you both came up with the same solution. Replacing the motherboard would have merely been their somewhat indirect approach to replacing the battery ... Almost any problem can always be solved with enough levels of indirection, no? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:27 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual 500... Might find an answer here: http://www.welovemacs.com/parts-power.html Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 1:47 PM On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? Sometimes one bad electrical contact will stop a machine. Surprisingly it does not take much corrosion or crud at all . If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning the battery in place is enough to break through the insulating coating whatever it's nature. If the machine still does not start try cleaning some more important cable and power connections. Is the power switch on the keyboard? My older Macs have had corrosion deadened circuits blocking the ADB link after sitting for a while. This gets multiplied when connected to a KVM setup as mine was. I have run 604 systems sans battery. === I've been using a IIci offline since 1990. Changed the battery sometime in the 1990s and again several weeks ago. For several years, the clock would lose about one minute every three days and then about three or four weeks ago the clock started to lose over an hour each day. So I replaced the PRAM battery with a battery that tested at 3.7 no load volts. Now it gains about 15 seconds each day. The old battery tested at zero volst - no measurable voltage yet the IIci booted and ran all functions with that flat battery. Great machine for what I use it for. Mel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
insightinmind wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:27 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual 500... Might find an answer here: http://www.welovemacs.com/parts-power.html At $269.99 I think not! You can but a couple of working machines for that price... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:54 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: insightinmind wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:27 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual 500... Might find an answer here: http://www.welovemacs.com/parts-power.html At $269.99 I think not! You can but a couple of working machines for that price... I know I know ... the price is ridiculous ... the info is free though ... that's what I meant by the suggestion. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: and waiting to get the stupid new media computer set up. Well THE Bruce care to tell us how he plans to setup a media G4. Some of us will ask; what would Bruce do? I have a Sawtooth I could use to follow... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On 6/18/09 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson of john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu sent Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all in andnot a damn thing happens when I press the power switch. No response at all. I cannot locate my %...@$@# multimeter right now so I can't test the battery, but I pressed the cuda, removed the battery for a while pressed the cuda and tried restarting it. Nada. Same if I remove the battery. (end quote) Hi Bruce, This happened to me twice, once with a QS and once with a DA (perhaps close enough in genus to a Gigabit?). In both cases I had no luck doing what you did (quick-my interpretation-pullout of the battery and CUDA reset), and did have luck unplugging the PSU from the motherboard, pulling the battery, resetting the CUDA (long push, 3 seconds), waiting 15 minutes, then plugging the PSU back into the motherboard. Both instances resulted in firing up. If that does not work my first suspicion is a leaky capacitor in the PSU. Best wishes, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Well, I'm sitting out here in the desert near Albuquerque, in a very dry place, and I had a 733 DA that wasn't turned on for a couple of months, and now no matter how I try, it refuses to boot. I've done everything mentioned by others: battery, PRAM, cuda, everything, and it's dead as a doornail. Use 'em or lose 'em, it appears. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
I have a blue and white g3/450 and it has a bad pram battery but i just use it as a music server in the shop. Everytime it gets unplugged it won't power up. The only way I can get it to turn on is by pressing pwr button on the mobo. I just kind of blindly reach into the case and press all the buttons i can until it turns on. Try that. I might of hit the reset button first... not sure. -Jonas On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Tomtba...@nmia.com wrote: Well, I'm sitting out here in the desert near Albuquerque, in a very dry place, and I had a 733 DA that wasn't turned on for a couple of months, and now no matter how I try, it refuses to boot. I've done everything mentioned by others: battery, PRAM, cuda, everything, and it's dead as a doornail. Use 'em or lose 'em, it appears. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
