Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
On Oct 1, 10:18 am, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: My mother-in-law, an elderly and stubborn lady (though nice) refuses to give up her old 1 GHz iMac (the half-soccer-ball novelty with the little monitor-on-a-stem sticking out of it) even though it dates from the Jurassic Period of computing and we all keep telling her she'd be better off with a new or at least newer iMac. She's had this Mac since she bought it new. The reason she wants to keep the old thing, says the sweet old thing, is that she has equally antique applications that she cannot bear to part with, and that can only run in OS 9 (such as an old genealogy program, an early word processor, solitaire games, etc.), and none of the newer iMacs can run Classic. She has simply got to run Classic, as well as OS-X for e-mail and surfing the web with Safari. ---snip--- In short, what would be the best way to install both 10.4.11 and Classic 9.2.2 on this old G4 iMac? I am still using this dinosaur as my main desktop! This iMac is dual boot --- can boot up in OS 9 as well as 10. I have Tiger installed on mine. As I recall, I installed Tiger first, then booted up with OS 9 disk and installed it. In The Start Up Preferences, you can choose which OS to use. I want to buy a new iMac, too, but don't want to lose the use of some of my favorite Classic apps! So I would have to keep the dinosau, too. Somehow my husband thinks that having 2 Mac desktops, a Powerbook (his) and MacBook (mine) are too many computers! Jane PS These iMacs are called Flat Screen iMac. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
*Tiger SNOW *or *Leopard SNOW*...the OsX name is wrong but if you have Leopard Snow or just Leopard for native Mac's the Run on Classics ( OsX 9.2 ) NOT longer available. ...you don't have a CD with OsX 9.1. But you can get it for a reasonable price on eBay. After get it for Run on Classics . Be sure of. 1- OsX Tiger 2- OsX 9.1 3- Update 9.2.1 4- Update 9.2.2 *5- Quicktime 6.03 Update-Whitout this update RUN on Classic doesn't work!!! * On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:56 PM, MacDiva newri...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a different topic? I want to be able to run OS 9-bootable (and run Illustrator, Photoshop) on an imac with 10.5.8 Tiger snow?) On Oct 2, 7:21 am, beecaretaker ben64sm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Oct 2, 5:31 am, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: Thanks, Yersinia, but that option, to install the OS 9 drivers, is not offered by the Disk Utility that is on the Tiger Installer. So I dug around in my old disc collection and found a 10.1 installer disk, but discovered on starting up with it that it has no Utilities menu on it at all. It cannot erase and format a drive, it can only install 10.1. However, I accidentally let it install 10.1 on thisiMac'shard drive (once it got started, there was no way to stop it, and I was afraid to just shut the Mac off, so I let it do the install and figured I'd erase the disk later), and when I opened the Disk Utility on the installed 10.1 System, it DID offer to erase the disk and install the OS-9 drivers. However, the erase and format options were all grayed out, because Disk Utility cannot erase and format the disk that it's running from, the startup disk. So the situation we have here is this: the Tiger installer disk doesn't offer the option of OS-9 drivers. The 10.1 installer disk has no Disk Utilities on it, but after you install 10.1, its Disk Utilities DOES offer the 9 drivers, but you can't do it because it's the startup disk and it can't operate on itself. Now, I do have some external hard drives, and my first thought was to install 10.1 on one of them and then start up theiMacwith it and format the Mac's internal drive that way, but all my external drives already have 10.4 on them, and you can't install an earlier version of OS-X over a later version. So, I'm stymied for a way to get the OS 9 drivers. Any ideas? Tom Tom, If you only want classic support within OS X then you don't need the OS 9 drivers, you only need them if you want to BOOT into OS 9, Classic will work fine without them. Also you don't need to partition your HDD, 9 X will both live happily side by side on the one partition either as classic or dual- boot. Also see Chris Tilfords post about partition maps, This threw me once, I could not understand why my Apple partitioned drive would not boot, then almost by accident I found that the partition table was fat32 with an Apple partition on-top of it!! Good luck, they are nice machines, Although I have an InteliMacI still use my 800MHZ G4 iLamp running 10.5 (Used the open firmware hack to install) . Ben. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Is this a different topic? I want to be able to run OS 9-bootable (and run Illustrator, Photoshop) on an imac with 10.5.8 Tiger snow?) On Oct 2, 7:21 am, beecaretaker ben64sm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Oct 2, 5:31 am, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: Thanks, Yersinia, but that option, to install the OS 9 drivers, is not offered by the Disk Utility that is on the Tiger Installer. So I dug around in my old disc collection and found a 10.1 installer disk, but discovered on starting up with it that it has no Utilities menu on it at all. It cannot erase and format a drive, it can only install 10.1. However, I accidentally let it install 10.1 on thisiMac'shard drive (once it got started, there was no way to stop it, and I was afraid to just shut the Mac off, so I let it do the install and figured I'd erase the disk later), and when I opened the Disk Utility on the installed 10.1 System, it DID offer to erase the disk and install the OS-9 drivers. However, the erase and format options were all grayed out, because Disk Utility cannot erase and format the disk that it's running from, the startup disk. So the situation we have here is this: the Tiger installer disk doesn't offer the option of OS-9 drivers. The 10.1 installer disk has no Disk Utilities on it, but after you install 10.1, its Disk Utilities DOES offer the 9 drivers, but you can't do it because it's the startup disk and it can't operate on itself. Now, I do have some external hard drives, and my first thought was to install 10.1 on one of them and then start up theiMacwith it and format the Mac's internal drive that way, but all my external drives already have 10.4 on them, and you can't install an earlier version of OS-X over a later version. So, I'm stymied for a way to get the OS 9 drivers. Any ideas? Tom Tom, If you only want classic support within OS X then you don't need the OS 9 drivers, you only need them if you want to BOOT into OS 9, Classic will work fine without them. Also you don't need to partition your HDD, 9 X will both live happily side by side on the one partition either as classic or dual- boot. Also see Chris Tilfords post about partition maps, This threw me once, I could not understand why my Apple partitioned drive would not boot, then almost by accident I found that the partition table was fat32 with an Apple partition on-top of it!! Good luck, they are nice machines, Although I have an InteliMacI still use my 800MHZ G4 iLamp running 10.5 (Used the open firmware hack to install) . Ben. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Howdy, Good for her. That is a lovely little machine and worth some trouble to get working. I am thrilled with my new(to me) G3 notebook. The next 2 machines I want are the machine your mother-in-law has and a G5 tower. Since you have a new hard drive, try an experiment. Install Tiger on the machine and see if your applications run in Classic mode. Tiger is supposed to support that fairly well and I think you said you had a Tiger disk to try. Good luck, Ralph On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 11:18 -0700, Tom wrote: My mother-in-law, an elderly and stubborn lady (though nice) refuses to give up her old 1 GHz iMac (the half-soccer-ball novelty with the little monitor-on-a-stem sticking out of it) even though it dates from --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
hi, as an option, ide disks have limit capacity jumppers on. you can try to put a jumper on and then try if disk utility can format the drive with install 9 drivers option. afaik, old iMacs had the same thing with disks greater than 128 GB's. On Oct 2, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Tom wrote: Thanks, Yersinia and Taner. Well, I can start the old iMac up with the 10.4 installer disk, and then use its Disk Utility to format the new drive, but no matter how I try it (either Erase or Partition), I am not given any option to install any OS 9 drivers. It just doesn't offer that option. Am I missing it somewhere? Where should I look for it? And by the way, this old iMac does see the new drive as a 500 gig, or rather 460 or something. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
On Oct 2, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Tom wrote: Thanks, Yersinia and Taner. Well, I can start the old iMac up with the 10.4 installer disk, and then use its Disk Utility to format the new drive, but no matter how I try it (either Erase or Partition), I am not given any option to install any OS 9 drivers. It just doesn't offer that option. Am I missing it somewhere? Where should I look for it? In the Partition tab you'll need to use the Options to select Apple Partition Map partition scheme (the new HD is PC FAT32 format - called MS DOS in Disk Utility - this is why you don't get the OS 9 driver option). Then you'll need to select 1 partition (or two if you're going to install OS X OS 9 on separate partitions). Then you'll need to select Mac OS Extended (Journaled) and check the small box Install OS 9 drivers. Quit Disk Utility and install OS X. Then install OS 9, and you're done. If you're using separate partitions, make the OS 9 partition small, only a couple GB at most, you can even get by with 1 GB or even 500 MB if necessary. You can install both OS X OS 9 onto a single partition, probably the best option for normal usage. And by the way, this old iMac does see the new drive as a 500 gig, or rather 460 or something. It should, there's no 128 GB limit, it should see the full size, which is ~460 GB or so. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
On Oct 2, 5:31 am, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: Thanks, Yersinia, but that option, to install the OS 9 drivers, is not offered by the Disk Utility that is on the Tiger Installer. So I dug around in my old disc collection and found a 10.1 installer disk, but discovered on starting up with it that it has no Utilities menu on it at all. It cannot erase and format a drive, it can only install 10.1. However, I accidentally let it install 10.1 on this iMac's hard drive (once it got started, there was no way to stop it, and I was afraid to just shut the Mac off, so I let it do the install and figured I'd erase the disk later), and when I opened the Disk Utility on the installed 10.1 System, it DID offer to erase the disk and install the OS-9 drivers. However, the erase and format options were all grayed out, because Disk Utility cannot erase and format the disk that it's running from, the startup disk. So the situation we have here is this: the Tiger installer disk doesn't offer the option of OS-9 drivers. The 10.1 installer disk has no Disk Utilities on it, but after you install 10.1, its Disk Utilities DOES offer the 9 drivers, but you can't do it because it's the startup disk and it can't operate on itself. Now, I do have some external hard drives, and my first thought was to install 10.1 on one of them and then start up the iMac with it and format the Mac's internal drive that way, but all my external drives already have 10.4 on them, and you can't install an earlier version of OS-X over a later version. So, I'm stymied for a way to get the OS 9 drivers. Any ideas? Tom Tom, If you only want classic support within OS X then you don't need the OS 9 drivers, you only need them if you want to BOOT into OS 9, Classic will work fine without them. Also you don't need to partition your HDD, 9 X will both live happily side by side on the one partition either as classic or dual- boot. Also see Chris Tilfords post about partition maps, This threw me once, I could not understand why my Apple partitioned drive would not boot, then almost by accident I found that the partition table was fat32 with an Apple partition on-top of it!! Good luck, they are nice machines, Although I have an Intel iMac I still use my 800MHZ G4 iLamp running 10.5 (Used the open firmware hack to install) . Ben. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
SUCCESS! Thanks very much Ralph, Taner, Kris, and Ben. It's very good of you all to take the time to help me out here. Ralph, you're right, the more I fool around with this little Mac the more fond I'm getting of the thing. I like the way the monitor swivels around so smoothly into any position or angle and stays put. It's too small a screen for me, though, since I've become accustomed to the 24-inch LCD attached to my G5. You get spoiled. Taner, thanks for the info, but I didn't have to mess with any jumpers on the drive because, thanks to Kris' advice, I was able to find the OS-9 drivers and format the drive with them. Kris, you were right about how to find the OS-9 drivers within the Partitions tab in Disk Utility, but it was not on the 10.4 installer disk; I had to go back to the 10.2 installer to find it, but there it was. So I formatted the drive with it (1 Partition) using the 10.2 installer disk, and then I installed OS-X with the 10.4 installer disk. After 10.4 was up and running, I just put in a disk I have here called 9.2.2 Installer, and it put 9.2.2 on the drive too, no problem. Then I launched Classic, chose the OS-9 folder when it asked for it, and now Classic runs fine! The lady should now be able to run all her old OS-9 programs in Classic, just like before. Ben, you're probably right about the 9 drivers not really being necessary, but they're on there now anyway, just in case they're ever needed. I haven't yet tried to reboot the Mac into pure OS-9, but maybe it's possible now, if it were ever required for some reason. NOW, I've got one last question for anybody who might have an answer: We are in the process of putting all the lady's data back on the drive, from a backup that was made onto an external drive when the old internal drive began to go flakey. She had been running 10.4 before the hard drive failure, and all the OS-X folders that were in the system she was using are there on the backup drive. Is it possible for us to restore all her e-mail addresses, Safari bookmarks, and other such stuff by merely replacing folders on her new system with folders dragged over from the old backed-up system? I mean, for example, can I trash her new Users folder and then drag the old Users from the backup over to the new System, and will the new system then recognize and use that old folder with all its information? Ditto with Applications, Library, etc? Or will I maybe corrupt the new system by trying to splice in pieces of the old one? Is it better (and safer) for her to just reconstruct her old information by putting it in manually? Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
On Oct 2, 7:19 pm, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: NOW, I've got one last question for anybody who might have an answer: We are in the process of putting all the lady's data back on the drive, from a backup that was made onto an external drive when the old internal drive began to go flakey. She had been running 10.4 before the hard drive failure, and all the OS-X folders that were in the system she was using are there on the backup drive. Is it possible for us to restore all her e-mail addresses, Safari bookmarks, and other such stuff by merely replacing folders on her new system with folders dragged over from the old backed-up system? I mean, for example, can I trash her new Users folder and then drag the old Users from the backup over to the new System, and will the new system then recognize and use that old folder with all its information? Ditto with Applications, Library, etc? Or will I maybe corrupt the new system by trying to splice in pieces of the old one? Is it better (and safer) for her to just reconstruct her old information by putting it in manually? Depending on your method of backing up to the external drive, you may be able to operate with the user files that are on it to check things out and gain confidence in the next step. In any case, I would then put the new Users folder in a safe place, maybe in the Trash but not to empty it. Copy the old Users to the new internal drive, and the OS should be happy with everything. Look in the old Users Library Folder. There you should find the Mail folder with all e-mail boxes and addresses, and the Safari .plists with bookmarks. If you have problems with the mail, then remove the Mail folder that you copied over from the Users Library, go back to the Mail folder on the external drive, copy that to the Desktop, and then have Mail import from that copy. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Tom writes, My mother-in-law, an elderly and stubborn lady (though nice) refuses to give up her old 1 GHz iMac (the half-soccer-ball novelty with the little monitor-on-a-stem sticking out of it) even though it dates from the Jurassic Period of computing and we all keep telling her she'd be better off with a new or at least newer iMac. She's had this Mac since she bought it new. The reason she wants to keep the old thing, says the sweet old thing, is that she has equally antique applications that she cannot bear to part with, and that can only run in OS 9 (such as an old genealogy program, an early word processor, solitaire games, etc.), and none of the newer iMacs can run Classic. She has simply got to run Classic, as well as OS-X for e-mail and surfing the web with Safari. We tried to persuade her to give up this old iMac when its hard drive died the other day, but she insisted on reviving it, so we bought a new 500-gig hard drive from OWC and installed it (and was that ever a nightmare, digging into the crammed-full innards of that stupid soccer ball). We also upped the ram to 1.5 gigs (I think it was). First off, Tom, please give your mother-in-law a great big hug for me and tell her I love her for the strength of her backbone! If her G4 iMac is Jurassic, that makes my G4 867 Quicksilver and G3/800 iBook Triassic, and although I'm sure I'm a good deal younger than she is, I'm just as stubborn and insistent about keeping them and being able to run in Classic so I can use ancient apps, which include an old genealogy program and old stuff for a game too. Now... we have to get both OS-9 and OS-X onto it. For some reason, none of the OS-9 installer discs that I've accumulated over the years will start up this Mac (while holding down the C key), but an OS-X Tiger disk will, and Disk Utility on the Tiger installer disk sees the new drive just fine, so the HD installation was successful. I did not install Tiger on the new drive because I'm worried that we may have to install OS-9 first, and then put OS-X on top of it. Is that how it's done, when you want both, and want to run Classic? A. You can put OS 9 and OS X on the same HD, but you have to make sure that the OS 9 Drivers box is checked when you format the drive. If you do that, OS 9 should install and run Classic A-OK, unless she needs a machine-specific install CD. This brings us to: B. Since you say your mother-in-law bought her iMac brand new, I suggest you ask her to hunt down the original system disks she got with it -- OS 9 installation is occasionally machine specific, and whatever she originally had installed to run her Classic before probably came from those...right? I had a problem with machine specificity on my iBook using one of my own various and sundry OS 9 CDs (which had worked on all prior Macs except my iBook) when I wanted to put 9 on there. In my case I ended up copying an OS 9 folder from my Quicksilver since I bought my iBook used and it didn't come with any system CDs, but it runs Classic fine. Or, am I wrong, and can we install Tiger first, and then put 9.2.2 on the same drive (maybe on a different partition) afterward? I have a disk called 9.2.2 Classic Install that will not start up this iMac, but I can view its contents in my G5, and it seems like maybe I could install OS-9 from the desktop of OS-X in the iMac. Am I right? In short, what would be the best way to install both 10.4.11 and Classic 9.2.2 on this old G4 iMac? C. Yes, you should be able to install Tiger first, then OS 9 -- as long as the OS 9 Drivers box is checked when formatting the drive, and you meet machine-specific installation disk requirements if any. If the version of Tiger on the original System disk is lower than 10.4.11, which it probably would be, the 10.4.11 Combo Updater (free download from Apple) will update it. Another idea I have about your problems with installation is -- does a Jurassic Mac like this even SEE the entirety of a 500 GB HD? Actually I'm not sure how that would affect installation, since both OS's won't require nearly that much room, but it makes me curious since I know already that when I have my boyfriend put those two 250 GB HDs into my Quicksilver, I have to also have him put an ATA controller card in because my Quicksilver will not see the entirety of an internal HD bigger than 128 GB -- so I think it's something to think about if you still have problems installing OS 9 and OS X on that HD formatted with the OS 9 drivers box checked and using the original system disks. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
hi... you can simply startup with tiger DVD and split your HD into two partitions using disk utility. i'm not sure but i think it could be necessary to book a part that is smaller than 128 gb's for classic. as you partition your HD it no matter which OS you install first... On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Tom wrote: My mother-in-law, an elderly and stubborn lady (though nice) refuses to give up her old 1 GHz iMac (the half-soccer-ball novelty with the little monitor-on-a-stem sticking out of it) even though it dates from the Jurassic Period of computing and we all keep telling her she'd be better off with a new or at least newer iMac. She's had this Mac since she bought it new. The reason she wants to keep the old thing, says the sweet old thing, is that she has equally antique applications that she cannot bear to part with, and that can only run in OS 9 (such as an old genealogy program, an early word processor, solitaire games, etc.), and none of the newer iMacs can run Classic. She has simply got to run Classic, as well as OS-X for e-mail and surfing the web with Safari. We tried to persuade her to give up this old iMac when its hard drive died the other day, but she insisted on reviving it, so we bought a new 500-gig hard drive from OWC and installed it (and was that ever a nightmare, digging into the crammed-full innards of that stupid soccer ball). We also upped the ram to 1.5 gigs (I think it was). So now we're at the stage where we have this new empty drive in the iMac, as yet unformatted, and we have to get both OS-9 and OS-X onto it. For some reason, none of the OS-9 installer discs that I've accumulated over the years will start up this Mac (while holding down the C key), but an OS-X Tiger disk will, and Disk Utility on the Tiger installer disk sees the new drive just fine, so the HD installation was successful. I did not install Tiger on the new drive because I'm worried that we may have to install OS-9 first, and then put OS-X on top of it. Is that how it's done, when you want both, and want to run Classic? Or, am I wrong, and can we install Tiger first, and then put 9.2.2 on the same drive (maybe on a different partition) afterward? I have a disk called 9.2.2 Classic Install that will not start up this iMac, but I can view its contents in my G5, and it seems like maybe I could install OS-9 from the desktop of OS-X in the iMac. Am I right? In short, what would be the best way to install both 10.4.11 and Classic 9.2.2 on this old G4 iMac? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Thanks, Yersinia and Taner. Well, I can start the old iMac up with the 10.4 installer disk, and then use its Disk Utility to format the new drive, but no matter how I try it (either Erase or Partition), I am not given any option to install any OS 9 drivers. It just doesn't offer that option. Am I missing it somewhere? Where should I look for it? And by the way, this old iMac does see the new drive as a 500 gig, or rather 460 or something. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Tom writes, Thanks, Yersinia and Taner. Well, I can start the old iMac up with the 10.4 installer disk, and then use its Disk Utility to format the new drive, but no matter how I try it (either Erase or Partition), I am not given any option to install any OS 9 drivers. It just doesn't offer that option. Am I missing it somewhere? Where should I look for it? When you go to the Erase tab in Disk Utility, immediately below the fields for the choice of Volume Format and the name to give the HD there's a little box for a checkmark next to text which reads Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed. If there's already a check in the box, you're OK, no need to do anything. But if the box has no checkmark, you give it one by clicking the box. This has to be done for OS 9 to install and run on the system. And by the way, this old iMac does see the new drive as a 500 gig, or rather 460 or something. Wow, that's cool! I guess your mother-in-law's Jurassic Mac can do things my Triassic Mac can't! LOL Good luck! :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Thanks, Yersinia, but that option, to install the OS 9 drivers, is not offered by the Disk Utility that is on the Tiger Installer. So I dug around in my old disc collection and found a 10.1 installer disk, but discovered on starting up with it that it has no Utilities menu on it at all. It cannot erase and format a drive, it can only install 10.1. However, I accidentally let it install 10.1 on this iMac's hard drive (once it got started, there was no way to stop it, and I was afraid to just shut the Mac off, so I let it do the install and figured I'd erase the disk later), and when I opened the Disk Utility on the installed 10.1 System, it DID offer to erase the disk and install the OS-9 drivers. However, the erase and format options were all grayed out, because Disk Utility cannot erase and format the disk that it's running from, the startup disk. So the situation we have here is this: the Tiger installer disk doesn't offer the option of OS-9 drivers. The 10.1 installer disk has no Disk Utilities on it, but after you install 10.1, its Disk Utilities DOES offer the 9 drivers, but you can't do it because it's the startup disk and it can't operate on itself. Now, I do have some external hard drives, and my first thought was to install 10.1 on one of them and then start up the iMac with it and format the Mac's internal drive that way, but all my external drives already have 10.4 on them, and you can't install an earlier version of OS-X over a later version. So, I'm stymied for a way to get the OS 9 drivers. Any ideas? Tom Tom On Oct 1, 9:54 pm, yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Tom writes, Thanks, Yersinia and Taner. Well, I can start the old iMac up with the 10.4 installer disk, and then use its Disk Utility to format the new drive, but no matter how I try it (either Erase or Partition), I am not given any option to install any OS 9 drivers. It just doesn't offer that option. Am I missing it somewhere? Where should I look for it? When you go to the Erase tab in Disk Utility, immediately below the fields for the choice of Volume Format and the name to give the HD there's a little box for a checkmark next to text which reads Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed. If there's already a check in the box, you're OK, no need to do anything. But if the box has no checkmark, you give it one by clicking the box. This has to be done for OS 9 to install and run on the system. And by the way, this old iMac does see the new drive as a 500 gig, or rather 460 or something. Wow, that's cool! I guess your mother-in-law's Jurassic Mac can do things my Triassic Mac can't! LOL Good luck! :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
