Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
What is a reasonable time before it loads up??? Maybe there is way to do this on a Tower but it doesn't work on an iBook very well, I'd rather run Jaguar and not be able to do as much... That's why I bought the 15in 1ghz Titanium G4 Pwoerbook!!! I think it's inevitable we all will have to upgrade to a newer computer sooner or later... CoolKat -Original Message- From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Sent: Sep 14, 2009 12:15 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3 On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:28 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The problem of the spinning beach ball doesn't occur with 10.4 itself, but with the applications that run over it. which are waiting for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data. The SPOD is the Mac's way of telling you I haven't crashed, but this process is taking a lot longer than I expected, and I can't do anything until I get what I asked for, so I'm letting you know about it. It's the equivalent of the old Mac tumbling hourglass. If it turns out it's waiting for something that will never happen, like data off of a closed network connection or you have a deadlock on a resource, and there's no timeout period on the request, then it's as good as a crash, because all you can do is force-quit the app. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:28 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The problem of the spinning beach ball doesn't occur with 10.4 itself, but with the applications that run over it. which are waiting for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data. The SPOD is the Mac's way of telling you I haven't crashed, but this process is taking a lot longer than I expected, and I can't do anything until I get what I asked for, so I'm letting you know about it. It's the equivalent of the old Mac tumbling hourglass. If it turns out it's waiting for something that will never happen, like data off of a closed network connection or you have a deadlock on a resource, and there's no timeout period on the request, then it's as good as a crash, because all you can do is force-quit the app. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:28 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The problem of the spinning beach ball doesn't occur with 10.4 itself, but with the applications that run over it. which are waiting for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data. The SPOD is the Mac's way of telling you I haven't crashed, but this process is taking a lot longer than I expected, and I can't do anything until I get what I asked for, so I'm letting you know about it. Heh... started my Powerbook this morning and got the spinning pizza/ beachball as things got up to speed. Then... the spinning just stopped! Just the static whirligig in the middle of the screen. Thinking the worst, I tried finding my mouse pointer and some how the SPOD had become the NSPMP (Non Spinning Pizza Mouse Pointer). Never saw =that= happen before... no pointing hand, no arrow... just the round colored object. It worked fine as a mouse pointer, but it was damn odd!!! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/25/09 9:47 PM, Mullin9 at ddavidmul...@inbox.com wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 I am running 10.4.11 here on a 512MB RAM Beige G3 without major problems. But I wuld like to add an extra 256MB RAM on the last free slot. ;-) -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/26/09 11:38 AM, Richard Gerome at onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: I really think you should have a processor speed over 650mhz for running Tiger... I have a few old clamshells and my 466 runs faster then my 366 running Jaguar, I get the spinning color disc too on the 366 more then the 466... When I went from 10.1 to 10.2.8 that slowed both machines down a lot... I bought a 366 off ebay and it had Panther in it and that was just way too slow for me even running 576mb so I did a clean and reinstall with Jaguar... Rich Well, my Beige G3 currently runs at... 266MHz. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/26/09 11:53 AM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: The SPOD mostly comes from apps needing resources, such as waiting for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data. The problem of the spinning beach ball doesn't occur with 10.4 itself, but with the applications that run over it. -- MaGioZal. http://twitter.com/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/28/09 4:13 PM, Bill Connelly at billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Tiger runs quite nicely on G3s. I would recommend 512Mb RAM as a minimum. Generally speaking Tiger will be faster than Panther. has anyone mentioned a good video card being necessary? Well, I run 10.4 here with Beige G3 without video card... It works, but it doesn't show graphics based on more recent/powerful video archicteture, like coverflow view in Safrai and iTunes. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/28/09 4:45 PM, steveoa at steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? Now I'm even more confused?? Have you tried to update the internal HD drivers? Many times installs of Mac OS don't work properly because of older HD drivers. -- MaGioZal. http://twitter.com/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/30/09 5:41 PM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:44 PM +0200 8/30/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote: How does Panther or even Jaguar run on your BW? Panther and Jaguar are *slower* than Tiger. Yes, but when it comes to memory requirements I bet Tiger uses more RAM then Panther or Jaguar did. According to my notes they're within 10 MB of each other. And more in Tiger is pageable - so one could make the case that Tiger uses LESS memory. And Tiger takes much less time to boot than previous versions of Mac OS X. -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Sep 13, 2009, at 4:33 PM, MaGioZal wrote: Well, I run 10.4 here with Beige G3 without video card... It works, but it doesn't show graphics based on more recent/powerful video archicteture, like coverflow view in Safrai and iTunes. If you get a fast video card like a Radeon 9100 (flashed PC only), you can enable Quartz Extreme using PC Extreme 3.1 and get coverflow to work, but it's a little slow still. A Radeon 7000 would be the minimum for QE. I don't think any PCI cards support Core Image on old world Macs? There was a project to bring the nVidia GeForce FX5200 PCI to old world Macs, but I think it died? The FX5200 PCI and at least one ATI PCI card support Core Image on new world Macs like the BW, Yikes, etc. but again, very slowly. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 6:28 PM -0300 9/13/2009, MaGioZal wrote: On 8/26/09 11:53 AM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: The SPOD mostly comes from apps needing resources, such as waiting for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data. The problem of the spinning beach ball doesn't occur with 10.4 itself, but with the applications that run over it. Primarily the SPOD comes from the OS itself - telling the user that the app is waiting for OS level resources. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Sent from my iPod On 31 Aug 2009, at 03:00, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the days of the Classic Mac OS, there were things called Desk Accessories (DAs). Have you come across Amnesty Singles? It turns those useful (and useless) widgets into small applications http://www.amnestywidgets.com/Singles.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 10:10 PM -0600 8/30/2009, Nestamicky wrote: You're still sending HTML-based emails, and now they're in multiple font sizes. [html stripped] On 8/30/09 8:00 PM, Dan wrote: There are some nice widgets available. But I find the memory and lack of versatility to be a killer. So I try to find small applications that will do the same jobs Dan, since you've got the smart ones of us off Dashboard, etc, would you care to share some of these more efficient small apps that you use? Depends on the task of course. WeatherSnitch, Calculator, iStat Menu's clock, Stickies,... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Hi! -- Original message -- Subject: Re: OSX10.4 on G3 Date:Sonntag, 30. August 2009N From:Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com To: G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com With certain upgrades (RAM, graphics card, even overclocking) a G3 can run Tiger very well. The question is what you acutally need to _install_ Tiger. Running it well is a completely different question. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 30, 2009, at 4:43 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: The question is what you actually need to install Tiger. Officially: To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs: • A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor • Built-in FireWire • At least 256 MB of RAM • DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation • At least 3 GB of free disk space Unofficially, any G3 with or without Firewire, and any older PPC Mac upgraded to a G3 or G4 CPU. XPostFacto can help with installation of Tiger onto unsupported Macs. In my experience any older Mac can benefit from Tiger if it has sufficient RAM and HD space. A Radeon graphics card helps a lot too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
There must not be a FireWire (why should it be ?) And a borrowed external USB DVD drive will do - if the Mac has the other features. And all of this is possible without XPostFacto. A large amount of RAM is always recommended. But be careful about large disks with these machines. I transferred an internal drive from a G4 (the Matshita DVD RAM burner) to the G3/350 bw, took the 'Tiger' DVD and installed it with a few clicks - no problems. Not the fastest system for this computer, I have to mention. Lars On Aug 30, 2009, at 4:43 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: The question is what you actually need to install Tiger. Officially: To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs: • A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor • Built-in FireWire • At least 256 MB of RAM • DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation • At least 3 GB of free disk space Unofficially, any G3 with or without Firewire, and any older PPC Mac upgraded to a G3 or G4 CPU. XPostFacto can help with installation of Tiger onto unsupported Macs. In my experience any older Mac can benefit from Tiger if it has sufficient RAM and HD space. A Radeon graphics card helps a lot too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Dan wrote: At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. That's just not correct. 512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough. Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB. It purrs with 384 MB. The rest is gravy, per your particular app mix. I started Tiger on a BW with 128 MB ram, but by no stretch of the imagination could you call it running. Bleah! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: OSX10.4 on G3 Date:Sonntag, 30. August 2009N From:Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Dan wrote: At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. That's just not correct. 512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough. Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB. It purrs with 384 MB. The rest is gravy, per your particular app mix. I started Tiger on a BW with 128 MB ram, but by no stretch of the imagination could you call it running. Bleah! How does Panther or even Jaguar run on your BW? Maybe there is a way to deactivate some background tasks or even some system daemons. I'm not an expert, but I once had Windows XP running on a machine that was below the minimum requirements concerning RAM. I had some Windows services deactivated which gave the system start a noticable boost. It was quite fast for such an old machine (AMD K6-3 CPU with 64 MB RAM). Only, after the start 64 MB RAM were used up and 1-2 MB were swapped to the HDD already. With no free RAM left launching even a simple program took ages... Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Clarke He said early model... I would assume (knowing the saying) that he means tray loader or maybe pre firewire. The iMac has built in FireWire, USB.350 Mhz. The CD is a Slot Loaderno tray. More info on model would help us give u an definitive answer. Hope I have provided the info you need --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 5:54 PM +0200 8/30/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Dan wrote: At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. That's just not correct. 512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough. Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB. It purrs with 384 MB. The rest is gravy, per your particular app mix. I started Tiger on a BW with 128 MB ram, but by no stretch of the imagination could you call it running. Bleah! How does Panther or even Jaguar run on your BW? Panther and Jaguar are *slower* than Tiger. Maybe there is a way to deactivate some background tasks or even some system daemons. Yes, as has been covered in many threads... Disable spotlight indexing and kill Dashboard. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/30/09 8:00 PM, Dan wrote: There are some nice widgets available. But I find the memory and lack of versatility to be a killer. So I try to find small applications that will do the same jobs Dan, since you've got the smart ones of us off Dashboard, etc, would you care to share some of these more efficient small apps that you use? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
A question for the List Mavens, I have an iMac at one of my schools. It is an early model and does not have a DVD drive. I have 10.3.9 installed and want to upgrade to 10.4x. I have Apple's 10.4 update disc, but it is a DVD. Is there another way to upgrade my iMacor must I purchase a DVD drive? Thanks, Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
One solution to that, if you have access to a later iMac with a DVD drive is to put the disk in that computer and install 10.4, then put the drive back in your older G4. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.netwrote: A question for the List Mavens, I have an iMac at one of my schools. It is an early model and does not have a DVD drive. I have 10.3.9 installed and want to upgrade to 10.4x. I have Apple's 10.4 update disc, but it is a DVD. Is there another way to upgrade my iMacor must I purchase a DVD drive? Thanks, Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
older G3 I meant. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
A little more on Spotlight indexing Off/On ... On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Dan wrote: At 4:18 PM -0400 8/28/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:10 PM, nestamicky wrote: On 8/28/2009 1:57 PM, Dan wrote: many of us just disable the indexing (easily done with a few commands in Terminal). Would Dan care to show us the commands used to accomplish this? sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard Adding this will start it back up: sudo mdutil -i on /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard You can also use /Volumes/* to hit all your volumes. It might be good to add the partition name to the Privacy list in System Preferences Spotlight as well. Doesn't matter. - Well ... I got a kp at Startup that one of the guru's (this Dan?) identified as a Spotlight caused error, even with all volumes turned off via Terminal. Here's a snippet from the discussion from awhile ago: *** On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:30 PM -0400 8/12/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dan wrote: At 8:09 PM -0400 8/11/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: After an electrical storm today, I plugged everything back in, and I get the old behavior of several kps on Startup, and after a Safeboot, things seem to be ok. Seagate 750GB is not dropping out, though, so far. It looks like the BootCache gets messed up. From the Panic Log: Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.5.6)@0x6a7000-0x6c7fff com.apple.BootCache(30.4)@0x65b000-0x660fff The panic was caused by spotlight's indexing process, being unable to talk to a HD. Disable Spotlight's indexing and leave it off. To the best of my knowledge, it is off. I noticed mds was trying to run, but since Spotlight is off using the following commands in Terminal, I believe it is off. Perhaps it tries to Startup, but failed. I did turn it back on awhile ago, but at your suggestion, I turned it back off ... *** After this ... That's when I decided to place them all in the Privacy tab. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/29/09 8:20 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: That's when I decided to place them all in the Privacy tab. Where's the Privacy tab, why is it necessary to put things thereplease expand. I'm on the quest to make my Ti efficient. Also, Spotlight has a terminal command to turn it off? I used Onyx, but would like to know the commands...care to share? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Nestamicky wrote: On 8/29/09 8:20 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: That's when I decided to place them all in the Privacy tab. Where's the Privacy tab, why is it necessary to put things thereplease expand. I'm on the quest to make my Ti efficient. Also, Spotlight has a terminal command to turn it off? I used Onyx, but would like to know the commands...care to share? I did earlier in this thread, I think. My thoughts: even though one may turn off Spotlight via Terminal, some part of it may try to access the hard drive at Startup. Placing the volumes in System Preferences Spotlight Privacy, may stop this access. Don't know this for sure ... Just guessing here. Another thought ... even though Spotlight sucks up the cpu when it first indexes your volumes, that's pretty much it, although if updates the indexes. The rest is a more efficient Finder search tool. So turning off Spotlight may not be overall more efficient. Still conjecturing ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/29/09 8:32 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: So turning off Spotlight may not be overall more efficient. Well, this is sad. I was thinking that doing so would be one good way to run old machines efficiently. I really don't care about the initial indexing; I can go take some fresh air. Oh well, I guess there's no way out of this hog called Spotlight. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Paul Kemner wrote: One solution to that, if you have access to a later iMac with a DVD drive is to put the disk in that computer and install 10.4, then put the drive back in your older G4. That is doing it the hard way. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net mailto:lde...@comcast.net wrote: A question for the List Mavens, I have an iMac at one of my schools. It is an early model and does not have a DVD drive. I have 10.3.9 installed and want to upgrade to 10.4x. I have Apple's 10.4 update disc, but it is a DVD. Is there another way to upgrade my iMacor must I purchase a DVD drive? Using Target Disk Mode is far simpler. Connect that computer with one that does have a DVD drive using a firewire cable. Put the OS disk in the DVD drive, boot that computer and hold down the T key until you get the Firewire Y symbol floating around the screen. Then boot the DVD-less computer and hold down the Option key. Choose the DVD and click on the right arrow. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Clark Martin wrote: Paul Kemner wrote: One solution to that, if you have access to a later iMac with a DVD drive is to put the disk in that computer and install 10.4, then put the drive back in your older G4. That is doing it the hard way. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net mailto:lde...@comcast.net wrote: A question for the List Mavens, I have an iMac at one of my schools. It is an early model and does Using Target Disk Mode is far simpler. Connect that computer with one that does have a DVD drive using a firewire cable. Put the OS disk in the DVD drive, boot that computer and hold down the T key until you get the Firewire Y symbol floating around the screen. Then boot the DVD-less computer and hold down the Option key. Choose the DVD and click on the right arrow. Clarke He said early model... I would assume (knowing the saying) that he means tray loader or maybe pre firewire. Lawrence More info on model would help us give u an definitive answer. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Charles Lenington wrote: Clark Martin wrote: Paul Kemner wrote: One solution to that, if you have access to a later iMac with a DVD drive is to put the disk in that computer and install 10.4, then put the drive back in your older G4. That is doing it the hard way. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net mailto:lde...@comcast.net wrote: A question for the List Mavens, I have an iMac at one of my schools. It is an early model and does Using Target Disk Mode is far simpler. Connect that computer with one that does have a DVD drive using a firewire cable. Put the OS disk in the DVD drive, boot that computer and hold down the T key until you get the Firewire Y symbol floating around the screen. Then boot the DVD-less computer and hold down the Option key. Choose the DVD and click on the right arrow. Clarke Who? He said early model... I would assume (knowing the saying) that he means tray loader or maybe pre firewire. Lawrence More info on model would help us give u an definitive answer. We had lots of early models, most had FW. In any event he was talking about loading Tiger and made no mention of needing XPostFacto so it sounded like it was supported by Tiger, ie. has FireWire. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 28/08/09 12:40 PM, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: Hey everyone, I'm a little confused? The question was: OSX10.4 on a G3 but when I'm reading these emails I keep hearing G4 mentioned too??? With all my knowledge and all the yrs I have been using Apples Tiger can run on a G4 without any problems but a G3 it will run very slow... Can someone help me out here to understand what's up??? Well the mobo started with a G3 CPU (i.e. the BW), but the CPU can be upgraded to a G4. HOWEVER the mobo is still the original mobo that had the G3 CPU. This can cause other issues such as not being able to boot from a target disk via firewire or RAM limitations or even CPU speed limitations. So it's always good to indicate the original makeup of your system and then include any upgrades you've done to it so people here can get a better understanding of how to respond to issues or questions. With certain upgrades (RAM, graphics card, even overclocking) a G3 can run Tiger very well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Hey Arnel, thanks for that info!!! I guess there is no way to do this on a 466 clamshell with 576mb??? Because Panther was way too slow on that machine for me so I down graded it to Jaguar... I ended up buying a used G4 Titanium Powerbook 1000mhz with 1000mb and a 100g HD so I can keep up with all these new websites and videos etc etc etc that have out dated my iBook... They tell me I can run OSX 10.5 Lep on my new machine, do you think this would be wise because of it not being an Intel based Mac??? I really miss my clamshell I put the guts of a 466 in my Indigo 366 and even did the DVD drive by taring off the indigo face from the CD drive of the 366 and siliconed it on!!! That machine was a great machine and served me well and still runs great!!! -Original Message- From: Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com Sent: Aug 29, 2009 10:18 PM To: G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OSX10.4 on G3 On 28/08/09 12:40 PM, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: Hey everyone, I'm a little confused? The question was: OSX10.4 on a G3 but when I'm reading these emails I keep hearing G4 mentioned too??? With all my knowledge and all the yrs I have been using Apples Tiger can run on a G4 without any problems but a G3 it will run very slow... Can someone help me out here to understand what's up??? Well the mobo started with a G3 CPU (i.e. the BW), but the CPU can be upgraded to a G4. HOWEVER the mobo is still the original mobo that had the G3 CPU. This can cause other issues such as not being able to boot from a target disk via firewire or RAM limitations or even CPU speed limitations. So it's always good to indicate the original makeup of your system and then include any upgrades you've done to it so people here can get a better understanding of how to respond to issues or questions. With certain upgrades (RAM, graphics card, even overclocking) a G3 can run Tiger very well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 29/08/09 11:31 PM, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: Hey Arnel, thanks for that info!!! I guess there is no way to do this on a 466 clamshell with 576mb??? Because Panther was way too slow on that machine for me so I down graded it to Jaguar... I ended up buying a used G4 Titanium Powerbook 1000mhz with 1000mb and a 100g HD so I can keep up with all these new websites and videos etc etc etc that have out dated my iBook... They tell me I can run OSX 10.5 Lep on my new machine, do you think this would be wise because of it not being an Intel based Mac??? I really miss my clamshell I put the guts of a 466 in my Indigo 366 and even did the DVD drive by taring off the indigo face from the CD drive of the 366 and siliconed it on!!! That machine was a great machine and served me well and still runs great!!! I have a G3/700 iBook and I found Tiger to be a bit slow, but still usable. However, streaming video on it, with it's now ancient graphic processor, is choppy. Your Ti-book should be able to handle Tiger quite well. As for Leopard, it was built for both Intel and PPC (G4/G5), but I had it on my G4/1.6 GHz Gigabit Ethernet Mac (1.5GB RAM) and it felt slower than Tiger so I went back to Tiger. Also my G4 has a 256MB graphics card. I would stick with Tiger on your TiBook. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:11 PM, ronaldo waltg...@magma.ca wrote: Hi... I have a G3 blue Smurf upgraded to a 400 Mhz G4 chip... ran Tiger just fine with 512 MB RAM... even better with 768 MB... But I've been advised by a knowledgeable person (on this very list) that G3s can (sadly!) *Clarification: Blue and White G3 (smurfs) cannot boot to FW TDM ** Not all G3s have this limitation * NEVER boot from, or use FireWire, in Target Disk mode (or any other?) due to their internal motherboard architecture. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
I only had 384 megs on my G4 Digital Audio when I originally installed 10.4 so that can't be what's causing the installer to hang. On Aug 25, 8:47 pm, Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:40 -0400, Richard Gerome wrote: Hey everyone, I'm a little confused? The question was: OSX10.4 on a G3 but when I'm reading these emails I keep hearing G4 mentioned too??? With all my knowledge and all the yrs I have been using Apples Tiger can run on a G4 without any problems but a G3 it will run very slow... Can someone help me out here to understand what's up??? Tiger runs quite nicely on G3s. I would recommend 512Mb RAM as a minimum. Generally speaking Tiger will be faster than Panther. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Clark Martin wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:40 -0400, Richard Gerome wrote: Hey everyone, I'm a little confused? The question was: OSX10.4 on a G3 but when I'm reading these emails I keep hearing G4 mentioned too??? With all my knowledge and all the yrs I have been using Apples Tiger can run on a G4 without any problems but a G3 it will run very slow... Can someone help me out here to understand what's up??? Tiger runs quite nicely on G3s. I would recommend 512Mb RAM as a minimum. Generally speaking Tiger will be faster than Panther. has anyone mentioned a good video card being necessary? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 12:40 PM -0400 8/28/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: I'm a little confused? The question was: OSX10.4 on a G3 but when I'm reading these emails I keep hearing G4 mentioned too? We don't mean to confuse usually. We just tend to stray off subject sometimes. :) With all my knowledge and all the yrs I have been using Apples Tiger can run on a G4 without any problems but a G3 it will run very slow... Can someone help me out here to understand what's up??? Tiger on a G3 runs just fine. Adding memory and a better video card can make it run faster. Upgrading the video is, however, moot to the original subject of this thread: a slot-loading iMac. Slower Macs (G3s and early G4s) can be slowed by a few things in Tiger (and Leopard for that matter!). The two most common offenders are Spotlight's file indexing and Dashboard. The indexing bog mostly goes away once the indexing jobs are done. If mostly isn't enough, many of us just disable the indexing (easily done with a few commands in Terminal). Dashboard's problem is that it's a big memory hog, 40 MB real plus. If you don't have the xtra memory to spare, it can be also disabled easily enough (with a free tool such as OnyX). HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/28/2009 1:57 PM, Dan wrote: many of us just disable the indexing (easily done with a few commands in Terminal). Would Dan care to show us the commands used to accomplish this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:10 PM, nestamicky wrote: On 8/28/2009 1:57 PM, Dan wrote: many of us just disable the indexing (easily done with a few commands in Terminal). Would Dan care to show us the commands used to accomplish this? Not to Usurp ... AFAIK, For each partition indexed: sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard Adding this will start it back up: sudo mdutil -i on /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard It might be good to add the partition name to the Privacy list in System Preferences Spotlight as well. Works for me on my QS 2002 under Leopard 10.5.7. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 28, 8:13 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Clark Martin wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:40 -0400, Richard Gerome wrote: Hey everyone, I'm a little confused? The question was: OSX10.4 on a G3 but when I'm reading these emails I keep hearing G4 mentioned too??? With all my knowledge and all the yrs I have been using Apples Tiger can run on a G4 without any problems but a G3 it will run very slow... Can someone help me out here to understand what's up??? You're confused, many moons ago I wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? Now I'm even more confused?? Steve Tiger runs quite nicely on G3s. I would recommend 512Mb RAM as a minimum. Generally speaking Tiger will be faster than Panther. has anyone mentioned a good video card being necessary? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 4:18 PM -0400 8/28/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:10 PM, nestamicky wrote: On 8/28/2009 1:57 PM, Dan wrote: many of us just disable the indexing (easily done with a few commands in Terminal). Would Dan care to show us the commands used to accomplish this? sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard Adding this will start it back up: sudo mdutil -i on /Volumes/Acoustic-Piano-Leopard You can also use /Volumes/* to hit all your volumes. It might be good to add the partition name to the Privacy list in System Preferences Spotlight as well. Doesn't matter. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Thanks for the feedback, before I do anything I think I need to run the Disk Utility, - could someone let me know where I can find it?to find any probs with the System on HD ? Then I need to run Archive and Install from the Installation disk? Steve On Aug 26, 3:53 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:38 AM -0400 8/26/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: I really think you should have a processor speed over 650mhz for running Tiger... I have a few old clamshells and my 466 runs faster then my 366 running Jaguar, I get the spinning color disc too on the 366 more then the 466... When I went from 10.1 to 10.2.8 that slowed both machines down a lot... I bought a 366 off ebay and it had Panther in it and that was just way too slow for me even running 576mb so I did a clean and reinstall with Jaguar... Rich Tiger runs just fine, even at 300 MHz. The SPOD mostly comes from apps needing resources, such as waiting for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:54 AM, steveoa wrote: Thanks for the feedback, before I do anything I think I need to run the Disk Utility, - could someone let me know where I can find it?to find any probs with the System on HD ? You can run Disk Utility from the Installation Disk. Just Startup with it in, holding down C, and after the Languages window, look for Disk Utility in one of the Menues along the top. Its also located in your Applications Utilities folder if you've started up from the HD ... although you cannot repair the boot Mac OS X partition, unless you're started up from the Installation DVD/CD, or from another OS X partition. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Hi... I have a G3 blue Smurf upgraded to a 400 Mhz G4 chip... ran Tiger just fine with 512 MB RAM... even better with 768 MB... But I've been advised by a knowledgeable person (on this very list) that G3s can (sadly!) NEVER boot from, or use FireWire, in Target Disk mode (or any other?) due to their internal motherboard architecture. Wouldn't this be the real reason for Steve's G3 'no-go' situation? Ronaldo On Aug 25, 5:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
ronaldo wrote: Hi... I have a G3 blue Smurf upgraded to a 400 Mhz G4 chip... ran Tiger just fine with 512 MB RAM... even better with 768 MB... But I've been advised by a knowledgeable person (on this very list) that G3s can (sadly!) NEVER boot from, or use FireWire, in Target Disk mode (or any other?) due to their internal motherboard architecture. Wouldn't this be the real reason for Steve's G3 'no-go' situation? Well, he's clearly booting from the disk via Firewire. But that's okay since an iMac CAN boot from Firewire. It's G3 BW towers that cannot boot from Firewire nor use Target Disk mode. Ronaldo On Aug 25, 5:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 27-08-2009 23:11, ronaldo, waltg...@magma.ca, wrote: But I've been advised by a knowledgeable person (on this very list) that G3s can (sadly!) NEVER boot from, or use FireWire, in Target Disk mode (or any other?) due to their internal motherboard architecture. Wouldn't this be the real reason for Steve's G3 'no-go' situation? Well I'm very curious to hear who this knowledgeable person (on this very list) may be! I strongly believe you are misunderstanding something! Tell you something: Last week 2 of my grandsons asked me to upgrade their Macs to 10.4.11. The older one (10) has an iBook, Dual USB (= G3, 500 MHz) and the younger one (7) has an iMac Kiva (= G3, 500 MHz). Both have FW400. And both only have a CD-RW opt. drive. But both started up in TDM and in this case connected to my Repair-and solve problems-Mac (a Sawtooth 400). I could install 10.4.11 on both Macs without any troubles. Just FYI and HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 2:11 PM -0700 8/27/2009, ronaldo wrote: been advised by a knowledgeable person (on this very list) that G3s can (sadly!) NEVER boot from, or use FireWire, in Target Disk mode (or any other?) due to their internal motherboard architecture. A bit of a clarification ... This issue is regarding the Power Mac G3 Blue White, aka SmurfTower. It does NOT pertain to iMacs (which is what a slot-loader, the subject of this thread, be). The problem on the Smurf is not the motherboard's architecture. The fault is in Apple's firmware. It simply doesn't support target disk mode or directly booting via firewire. Remember how you had to hack the Smurf's firmware to get it to boot on a G4, because Apple had disabled that? Well, there is a (slightly different type of) hack called XPostFacto that can be used to enable firewire booting on a Smurf, by using a helper drive. (I've seen this done, so I know it works, but I've never done it myself, even tho I use a Smurf daily). http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/ HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 2:11 PM -0700 8/27/2009, ronaldo wrote: Hi... I have a G3 blue Smurf upgraded to a 400 Mhz G4 chip... ran Tiger just fine with 512 MB RAM... even better with 768 MB... But I've been advised by a knowledgeable person (on this very list) that G3s can (sadly!) NEVER boot from, or use FireWire, in Target Disk mode (or any other?) due to their internal motherboard architecture. Wouldn't this be the real reason for Steve's G3 'no-go' situation? Steve is on an iMac, not a Smurf. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 28-08-2009 00:23, Clark Martin, cm...@sonic.net, wrote: Well, he's clearly booting from the disk via Firewire. But that's okay since an iMac CAN boot from Firewire. It's G3 BW towers that cannot boot from Firewire nor use Target Disk mode. Sorry Clark but I have to disagree with something. I found out that this has something to do with where your BW is produced. The in Ireland (we mostly find in Europe) produced BW's (at least the 400 and 450 MHz models I know) will problemlyless start in TDM. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
I really think you should have a processor speed over 650mhz for running Tiger... I have a few old clamshells and my 466 runs faster then my 366 running Jaguar, I get the spinning color disc too on the 366 more then the 466... When I went from 10.1 to 10.2.8 that slowed both machines down a lot... I bought a 366 off ebay and it had Panther in it and that was just way too slow for me even running 576mb so I did a clean and reinstall with Jaguar... Rich -Original Message- From: steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop Sent: Aug 25, 2009 5:34 PM To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: OSX10.4 on G3 Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. That's just not correct. 512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough. Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB. It purrs with 384 MB. The rest is gravy, per your particular app mix. 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? Most likely there's a problem with the file system on the HD, the fact that the OP is trying to do an in-place upgrade (NEVER a good idea), the firewire connection, or an issue with the DVD media. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 2:34 PM -0700 8/25/2009, steveoa wrote: G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, 63Gb spare on HD Nice iMac. trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader ..., using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well with this. It runs ok till the Install section then just sits there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions? Do an archive install AFTER repairing the disk with Disk Utility. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
