Re: [G3-5]Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-09 Thread Jesse


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On Dec 9, 2011, at 9:24 AM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com 
 
 So are you saying that we can run Flash 11 on PowerPC?

No, it's a hack that involves feeding the wrong version number to the player. 
It is NOT flash 11 on ppc. Most of these sites require a newer version number, 
not newer flash functionality. And bam Theres your hack.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [G3-5]Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-09 Thread Kris Tilford

On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jesse wrote:


On Dec 9, 2011, at 9:24 AM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com



So are you saying that we can run Flash 11 on PowerPC?


No, it's a hack that involves feeding the wrong version number to  
the player. It is NOT flash 11 on ppc. Most of these sites require a  
newer version number, not newer flash functionality. And bam  
Theres your hack.


Yeah, it's only a version # hack, but the latest Flash Player 11 is  
totally vulnerable to outside attacks anyways. The discoverer of the  
vulnerability has promised an OS X version of the exploit tool soon.  
Damn I wish every website would ditch flash forever and convert to  
HTML5. We'll be stuck with legacy flash content for tens of years I  
fear. Here's a link about the new Flash Player 11 exploit:
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/12/another-adobe-flash-zero-day-for-sale-by-security-software-vendor.ars 



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Re: [G3-5]Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-09 Thread Dan

At 3:01 PM -0600 12/9/2011, Kris Tilford wrote:
Yeah, it's only a version # hack, but the latest Flash Player 11 is 
totally vulnerable to outside attacks anyways. The discoverer of 
the vulnerability has promised an OS X version of the exploit tool 
soon. Damn I wish every website would ditch flash forever and 
convert to HTML5. We'll be stuck with legacy flash content for tens 
of years I fear. Here's a link about the new Flash Player 11 exploit:

http://arstechnica.com/ [etc]


hum.  I love ARS.  Must have missed that article.  :\

hum#2+ROFLAMOdarnIgotsToCleanM'keyboard.  Monetizing vulnerabilities. 
Oh yeah!


All Hail Adobe!

Adobe is to the security market as Herman Cain was to the late nite 
comedy writers.


ok, back to playing Tap Fish.

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-07 Thread QuoVadis
Hello all,

I agree with Bruce that we're using machines that are 'principally'
outdated. Even if they do 99% of the tasks you ask them do just like a
newer machine (albeit slower).

I think mainly G5 owners have this problem, since most G5's
(especially dual or dualcore) have loads of processing power and are
still capable of surfing the web of 2011/2012. I think it's a shame
that these machines are being made obsolete not by time (they would
otherwise age like any other machine), but by their practical limits
(Flash being a major factor if you ask me).

Although, if you read the statistics hat Bruce posted, Apple has to
move on -sometime-. Regardless of the cutoff point they'd have chosen
(beit G4, G5 or first generation Intel), some users are going to
suffer from it. Might as well make the group as small as possible..


Eelco.

PS: I used a G4 iMac to post this. ;)

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-07 Thread David W. Morris


On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:


Isn't it a shame about Adobe's non-support of so many PPC folks ...  
doesn't make any sense to me.


I doubt there are enough PPC desktop/laptop users world wide to make  
Adobe think twice about abandoning support for them.  But I agree that  
it is a shame.  I suggest everyone just switch to using HTML5 for  
video content on websites and forget about flash.  If you are hooked  
on flash games, well then I feel sorry for you.


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G4 PowerMac  1.5GHz G4 MacMini, plus just 10.5.8 on Dual 2.7GHz G5  
PowerMac (waiting for MorphOS3.x support) and MorphOS3.0 beta   
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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-06 Thread Bill Connelly


On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:



I believe some other sites have also instituted this Flash Player  
test. Since Adobe quit supporting PPC Macs at v.10.1.102.64, and the  
current version is 11.1.102.55, it appeared that we PPC users were  
out-of-luck and seeing our access to Flash content being curtailed.




Thx Kris. I installed this without any problems so far ... have not  
tested it on any FB / other videos yet, but will let you know.


Isn't it a shame about Adobe's non-support of so many PPC folks ...  
doesn't make any sense to me.


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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-06 Thread Bill Connelly


On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Ken Daggett wrote:


http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/25954415 



Hmmm. I wonder why it just works on this MDD dual 1.25, running  
10.4.11 and using Firefox 3.6.24. I certainly don't recall doing any  
sort of special install of Flash.


Under 10.5.8, this video does not play in Safari ... but it does play  
in Firefox.


Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1 GHz ... Firefox 3.6.24 ... Safari Version  
5.0.6 (5533.22.3)


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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-06 Thread Bill Connelly


On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Ken Daggett wrote:



On 5 Dec 2011, at 12:55:26 PST, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:


Amen! It was seriously annoying!


Opps! I thought it was fixed for all sites, but I just found a  
site that won't play with the hacked PPC Flash Player, it's Yahoo  
Sports. Here is the sample video I tried to play, and only got the  
error message for needing to upgrade even though my hacked player  
shows as the most current versions already. I'm bummed.


http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/25954415 



Hmmm. I wonder why it just works on this MDD dual 1.25, running  
10.4.11 and using Firefox 3.6.24. I certainly don't recall doing any  
sort of special install of Flash.


o i c ... Firefox is using Quicktime, I think.

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-06 Thread Geke
@JohnV, Kris:
With my 10.4.11 and Safari 4.1.3 it works, so that isn't the problem.
John, maybe give more details about your software?
To be exact, my Safari shows 5 mobile options, from Mobile Safari
4.1 iPhone through Mobile Safari 3.2.2 iPad.

  That solution is to go to SafariPreferences...Advanced and check
  the Show Develop menu in menu bar and then go to the Develop menu
  and change your User Agent to Safari iOS 4.3.3 – iPad.

  Do not see this there...?

 This is likely because you're probably using Tiger 10.4.11 with Safari
 version 4.1.3, and you'd need to be using Leopard 10.5.8 with Safari
 Version 5.0.6.

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread JohnV

Is there a problem with this hack? Anything untowards within?


JV


On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:09 AM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:



The problem is you'd need an Intel Mac to get the current version  
from, or you can download it ready to install manually from here:

http://www.steelbin.com/FPforFBPPC.zip

If you read the ReadMe file which comes with the referenced Zip,  
then you get a slightly different version of what is going on.


According to the file, the Zip actually contains a copy of the last  
PPC-compatible version which has then been hacked to report a later  
version number as required for the Facebook test.


I think the assumption here is that while sites may look for a  
later version, they really only use features from the older version.


John


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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Jeff Bequette


On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:37 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:09 PM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:

According to the file, the Zip actually contains a copy of the last  
PPC-compatible version which has then been hacked to report a later  
version number as required for the Facebook test.


I think the assumption here is that while sites may look for a  
later version, they really only use features from the older version.


Thanks for the clarification. I don't care what version it is, as  
long as it works. I hope whomever was able to change the version #  
can continue to issue such hacked versions in the future so we won't  
have to deal with dreaded error messages Upgrade your Flash Player  
when there are no updates available, and flash videos refuse to play.



Amen!  It was seriously annoying!





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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Kris Tilford

On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:42 AM, JohnV wrote:


Anything untowards within?


I think it's legit, just a change in version #.

I know it's fixed several sites that would no longer play flash for  
me, including Facebook, my local television station site, and  
SoundCloud audio player. These three were really bothersome to me.


On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:


Amen!  It was seriously annoying!


Agreed, SERIOUSLY annoying! Now solved.

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Kris Tilford

On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:


Amen! It was seriously annoying!


Opps! I thought it was fixed for all sites, but I just found a site  
that won't play with the hacked PPC Flash Player, it's Yahoo Sports.  
Here is the sample video I tried to play, and only got the error  
message for needing to upgrade even though my hacked player shows as  
the most current versions already. I'm bummed.


http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/25954415 



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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 5, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

 On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:
 
 Amen! It was seriously annoying!
 
 Opps! I thought it was fixed for all sites, but I just found a site that 
 won't play with the hacked PPC Flash Player, it's Yahoo Sports. Here is the 
 sample video I tried to play, and only got the error message for needing to 
 upgrade even though my hacked player shows as the most current versions 
 already. I'm bummed.
 
 http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/25954415

Well this will happen as you run into sites that actually use the features of 
the later versions

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Kris Tilford

On Dec 5, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

Well this will happen as you run into sites that actually use the  
features of the later versions...


I remembered another solution that seems to work even better than  
the hacked Flash Player. That solution is to go to  
SafariPreferences...Advanced and check the Show Develop menu in  
menu bar and then go to the Develop menu and change your User Agent  
to Safari iOS 4.3.3 – iPad. Now most of these video sites that use  
Flash as their default video will instead give you a Quicktime video  
that plays normally. It works on the Yahoo Sports video I posted  
earlier.


It seems crazy that any website would use new features that harm  
their customer experience. Yahoo seems like a sinking ship, probably  
too many places to bail water to worry about PPC Flash Player video.  
At least there's a work-around solution.


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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 5, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

 It seems crazy that any website would use new features that harm their 
 customer experience. Yahoo seems like a sinking ship, probably too many 
 places to bail water to worry about PPC Flash Player video. At least there's 
 a work-around solution.

The grim reality is that they're not really harming many customers. Bluntly, 
the vast majority of folks have no problems with the site at all, because the 
vast majority of folks are using Intel-based Macs or Windows.

First, Apple has sold far more Intel-based macs than they ever did PowerPC 
macs, probably more than than they ever sold previously, period.

http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/07/21/mac_sales.jpg 

Second, those PowerPC macs we're talking about were, in the main, made over 
five years ago, and struggle even to run the content they CAN play. 

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread JohnV


On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

 That solution is to go to SafariPreferences...Advanced and check  
the Show Develop menu in menu bar and then go to the Develop menu  
and change your User Agent to Safari iOS 4.3.3 – iPad. Now most  
of these video sites that use Flash as their default video will  
instead give you a Quicktime video that plays normally.



Do not see this there...?

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread schaffpa


- Original Message -
 From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 12:55:26 PM
 Subject: Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS
 On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:
 
  Amen! It was seriously annoying!
 
 Opps! I thought it was fixed for all sites, but I just found a site
 that won't play with the hacked PPC Flash Player, it's Yahoo Sports.
 Here is the sample video I tried to play, and only got the error
 message for needing to upgrade even though my hacked player shows as
 the most current versions already. I'm bummed.
 
 http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/25954415

This plays fine for me (10.1.r85).  Just FWIW.  

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Ken Daggett


On 5 Dec 2011, at 12:55:26 PST, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:


Amen! It was seriously annoying!


Opps! I thought it was fixed for all sites, but I just found a  
site that won't play with the hacked PPC Flash Player, it's Yahoo  
Sports. Here is the sample video I tried to play, and only got the  
error message for needing to upgrade even though my hacked player  
shows as the most current versions already. I'm bummed.


http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/ 
25954415


Hmmm. I wonder why it just works on this MDD dual 1.25, running  
10.4.11 and using Firefox 3.6.24. I certainly don't recall doing any  
sort of special install of Flash.


Ken

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Ken Daggett wrote:

 
 On 5 Dec 2011, at 12:55:26 PST, Kris Tilford wrote:
 
 On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:
 
 Amen! It was seriously annoying!
 
 Opps! I thought it was fixed for all sites, but I just found a site that 
 won't play with the hacked PPC Flash Player, it's Yahoo Sports. Here is the 
 sample video I tried to play, and only got the error message for needing to 
 upgrade even though my hacked player shows as the most current versions 
 already. I'm bummed.
 
 http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/25954415
 
 Hmmm. I wonder why it just works on this MDD dual 1.25, running 10.4.11 and 
 using Firefox 3.6.24. I certainly don't recall doing any sort of special 
 install of Flash.

Never underestimate the ability of Yahoo or Flash to 'just not work' :-/

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread Kris Tilford

On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:43 PM, JohnV wrote:


On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

That solution is to go to SafariPreferences...Advanced and check  
the Show Develop menu in menu bar and then go to the Develop menu  
and change your User Agent to Safari iOS 4.3.3 – iPad. Now most  
of these video sites that use Flash as their default video will  
instead give you a Quicktime video that plays normally.


Do not see this there...?


This is likely because you're probably using Tiger 10.4.11 with Safari  
version 4.1.3, and you'd need to be using Leopard 10.5.8 with Safari  
Version 5.0.6.


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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-05 Thread JohnV


On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:43 PM, JohnV wrote:


On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

That solution is to go to SafariPreferences...Advanced and  
check the Show Develop menu in menu bar and then go to the  
Develop menu and change your User Agent to Safari iOS 4.3.3 –  
iPad. Now most of these video sites that use Flash as their  
default video will instead give you a Quicktime video that plays  
normally.


Do not see this there...?


This is likely because you're probably using Tiger 10.4.11 with  
Safari version 4.1.3, and you'd need to be using Leopard 10.5.8  
with Safari Version 5.0.6.


indeed. It;'ll be fine when I  solve the Thanksgiving problem with  
this G5, get it to boot, up it to 10.5.8 and get it back to being the  
workhorse it's supposed to be!


thanks
JV



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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-04 Thread John Ruschmeyer
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 Fortunately, there's a solution. This seems crazy, but they're saying that
 the current version and all previous versions that were Intel only
 actually work fine on PPC Macs, the problem is that Adobe's installer won't
 allow the installation. You need to manually move the current version of
 Flash Player.plugin into LibraryInternet Plug-Ins and then repair the
 permissions. You can trash the old version of the file, or compress it and
 save it as an old version.

 Once you manually install this and quit and relaunch your browser you'll
 have the latest Flash Player and no websites including Facebook will give
 you an error message about needing to update Flash Player. It works fine.

 The problem is you'd need an Intel Mac to get the current version from, or
 you can download it ready to install manually from here:
 http://www.steelbin.com/**FPforFBPPC.ziphttp://www.steelbin.com/FPforFBPPC.zip
 


If you read the ReadMe file which comes with the referenced Zip, then you
get a slightly different version of what is going on.

According to the file, the Zip actually contains a copy of the last
PPC-compatible version which has then been hacked to report a later version
number as required for the Facebook test.

I think the assumption here is that while sites may look for a later
version, they really only use features from the older version.

John

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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-04 Thread Kris Tilford

On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:09 PM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:

According to the file, the Zip actually contains a copy of the last  
PPC-compatible version which has then been hacked to report a later  
version number as required for the Facebook test.


I think the assumption here is that while sites may look for a later  
version, they really only use features from the older version.


Thanks for the clarification. I don't care what version it is, as long  
as it works. I hope whomever was able to change the version # can  
continue to issue such hacked versions in the future so we won't have  
to deal with dreaded error messages Upgrade your Flash Player when  
there are no updates available, and flash videos refuse to play.


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Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

2011-12-04 Thread Tina K.

On 2011/12/04 22:37, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:

On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:09 PM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:


According to the file, the Zip actually contains a copy of the last
PPC-compatible version which has then been hacked to report a later version
number as required for the Facebook test.

I think the assumption here is that while sites may look for a later version,
they really only use features from the older version.


Thanks for the clarification. I don't care what version it is, as long as it
works. I hope whomever was able to change the version # can continue to issue 
such
hacked versions in the future so we won't have to deal with dreaded error 
messages
Upgrade your Flash Player when there are no updates available, and flash 
videos
refuse to play.


If only said person could fix the security holes while they're at it..


Tina

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