SOLVED? Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:23 AM, John Martz wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Ralph Greensfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As Peter said, the connectors for 2.5 and 3.5 SATA drives are the same. But, the power draw is almost always a lot more on the 3.5 drives. A single USB port can supply 2.5 watts(.5 amps at 5V). My understanding when I read Jeff's note was that his enclosure was powered from an external 5v 12v AC-DC power supply, not from the USB port. What was confusing to me about Jeff's situation is that apparently the 2.5 drive worked with USB (and I assumed also with eSATA ... though he may not have checked this). However, when he put the 3.5 drive into the enclosure it did not work with USB but it *did* work via eSATA. If it was strictly an enclosure power supply issue then I would expect the 3.5 drive to never work in the enclosure. Or USB to not work for either drive. I can't come up with a good rational for why the 3.5 drive would work with eSATA but *not* work with USB, other than possibly the 3.5 drive exceeded some GB capacity limit of the SATA-USB adapter/converter?? Oh, well. Maybe it's gremlins? Makes as much sense to me as anything else at this point. -irrational john Or maybe it's simply that I used the wrong cord (from wall to power supply?)... yes, it now works. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
Howdy, As Peter said, the connectors for 2.5 and 3.5 SATA drives are the same. But, the power draw is almost always a lot more on the 3.5 drives. A single USB port can supply 2.5 watts(.5 amps at 5V). For example, a Seagate 3.5 ST3500320AS 500 GB takes .65 amps at 5V and .42 ams at 12V. USB does not supply 12V at all. 2.5 drives are almost always 5V only and take around 2.5 watts(I've seen up to 5 watts). So, a 2.5 drive may work and a 3.5 almost never will. Some higher power 2.5 drives need power from 2 USB ports. I have burned out a USB port from drawing too much power. Good luck, Ralph On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 19:55 -0400, John Martz wrote: If the 2.5 drive works with USB, then I would think there is no problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA-USB logic to either work or not work. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Ralph Greensfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As Peter said, the connectors for 2.5 and 3.5 SATA drives are the same. But, the power draw is almost always a lot more on the 3.5 drives. A single USB port can supply 2.5 watts(.5 amps at 5V). My understanding when I read Jeff's note was that his enclosure was powered from an external 5v 12v AC-DC power supply, not from the USB port. What was confusing to me about Jeff's situation is that apparently the 2.5 drive worked with USB (and I assumed also with eSATA ... though he may not have checked this). However, when he put the 3.5 drive into the enclosure it did not work with USB but it *did* work via eSATA. If it was strictly an enclosure power supply issue then I would expect the 3.5 drive to never work in the enclosure. Or USB to not work for either drive. I can't come up with a good rational for why the 3.5 drive would work with eSATA but *not* work with USB, other than possibly the 3.5 drive exceeded some GB capacity limit of the SATA-USB adapter/converter?? Oh, well. Maybe it's gremlins? Makes as much sense to me as anything else at this point. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, MacGuymacgu...@gmail.com wrote: ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure... question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for this 2.5 drive? I've always gone by the rule that if they have exactly the same connectors then they are/should be getting exactly the same power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Power_supply If the 2.5 drives have different power requirements than the 3.5 then I would think that is something which is handled internal to the drive. But as always I am curious to see what other have to say. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:03 AM, MacGuy wrote: ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure... question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for this 2.5 drive? (what I'm doing is testing the enclosure to see if it's good, and the only drive I have to use is a 2.5 sata drive from a mac mini). Jeff No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same volatges) things should work out fine. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same voltages) things should work out fine. I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not positive they use the same voltages. I agree that since both 2.5 3.5 drives use the same connector then the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5 drive from a USB connector unless the 2.5 drives required anything other than 5v. I've always assumed that the 2.5 drives simply ignored the 12v power line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently most (all?) of the 3.5 drives do in order to allow them to be powered via a 5v 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power connector adapter). I hate it when manufacturers take shortcuts and don't fully implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when everbody knows it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open. Sorry to view off point so far. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same voltages) things should work out fine. I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not positive they use the same voltages. I agree that since both 2.5 3.5 drives use the same connector then the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5 drive from a USB connector unless the 2.5 drives required anything other than 5v. I've always assumed that the 2.5 drives simply ignored the 12v power line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently most (all?) of the 3.5 drives do in order to allow them to be powered via a 5v 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power connector adapter). I hate it when manufacturers take shortcuts and don't fully implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when everbody knows it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open. Sorry to view off point so far. -irrational john Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:34 AM, MacGuy wrote: Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? Definitely sounds like a power issue, what does the spec on the current power supply say? If it's a typical wall wart all you need to match are the voltage, the connector size and polarity and provide as much or more current. (ie: if it's 12v 500MA, a 12V 800MA supply will work just fine, but a 14V 500MA supply will not.) That said, 'sounds like a power issue' doesn't mean it's the power supply. More than likely it's the IO board in the enclosure. If it's a built-in power supply, I'd forget about it; get a new enclosure. If USB2 is good for you they're cheap http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=CSE -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote: Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Is the 3.5 drive jumpered correctly? (do SATA drives still have jumper requirements?) Is the 3.5 drive bad, and not the enclosure? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
John Martz wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same voltages) things should work out fine. I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not positive they use the same voltages. I agree that since both 2.5 3.5 drives use the same connector then the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5 drive from a USB connector unless the 2.5 drives required anything other than 5v. I've always assumed that the 2.5 drives simply ignored the 12v power line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently most (all?) of the 3.5 drives do in order to allow them to be powered via a 5v 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power connector adapter). I hate it when manufacturers take shortcuts and don't fully implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when everbody knows it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open. The standard 3.5 5.25 drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V. 2.5 drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line. There is no 3.3V line on drive power cables. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:34 PM, MacGuymacgu...@gmail.com wrote: This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Which ICY DOCK enclosure? Just curious ... I occasionally look at the ICY DOCK MB881US-1S-1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198029 and go Hmm but (1) it costs more than I'd want to pay and (2) the *last* thing I need is yet another enclosure. You say it has given you grief when used via USB. Does it have another mode (eSATA perhaps?) where it works reliably? If that's the case then I'd suspect the SATA-USB logic board rather than the power supply. (I expect there's not much if any logic required to convert SATA -eSATA.) No chance the enclosure is still under warranty? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Clark Martincm...@sonic.net wrote: The standard 3.5 5.25 drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V. 2.5 drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line. There is no 3.3V line on drive power cables. I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yes, I think all the external power supplies I've seen have only supplied at most +12v and +5v. But the SATA spec apparently specifies that pins 1 to 3 of a standard 15 pin SATA power connector should supply 3.3 volts. I doubt any of the current 3.5 drives actually depend on this, but it's apparently part of the spec. I don't know about 2.5 drives, but I suspect they only need 5 volts as you said. I've seen speculation that some of the solid state memory drives might require the 3.3v supply, but it was just speculation. I really have no idea why the SATA power connector is supposed to provide 3.3 volts to some pins. But apparently that's what the spec says. (I thought about ... and immediately rejected ... poking around with a volt meter in my SATA external enclosure's power connector to see what it supplies to pins 1 to 3. Knowing me, I would be sure to short some pins to ground and destroy a perfectly good enclosure. A geek's gotta know his limitations ...) -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 2:51 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote: Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Is the 3.5 drive jumpered correctly? (do SATA drives still have jumper requirements?) Is the 3.5 drive bad, and not the enclosure? I guess I should have also asked ... how did you know the 2.5 drive was working? Did it mount on your desktop? and was that through the USB? Did you decide the 2.5 and 3.5 both required the same voltage? If all true, it sounds more like the 3.5 drive is bad. Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
John Martz wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Clark Martincm...@sonic.net wrote: The standard 3.5 5.25 drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V. 2.5 drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line. There is no 3.3V line on drive power cables. I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yes, I think all the external power supplies I've seen have only supplied at most +12v and +5v. But the SATA spec apparently specifies that pins 1 to 3 of a standard 15 pin SATA power connector should supply 3.3 volts. I doubt any of the current 3.5 drives actually depend on this, but it's apparently part of the spec. I don't know about 2.5 drives, but I suspect they only need 5 volts as you said. I've seen speculation that some of the solid state memory drives might require the 3.3v supply, but it was just speculation. I really have no idea why the SATA power connector is supposed to provide 3.3 volts to some pins. But apparently that's what the spec says. (I thought about ... and immediately rejected ... poking around with a volt meter in my SATA external enclosure's power connector to see what it supplies to pins 1 to 3. Knowing me, I would be sure to short some pins to ground and destroy a perfectly good enclosure. A geek's gotta know his limitations ...) I haven't looked into the SATA spec but I would think that in time the drives will use 3.3V for the logic in place of 5V. Most computer logic is going this way. A lower power supply voltage means not only lower power consumption but also faster speed. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote: I guess I should have also asked ... how did you know the 2.5 drive was working? Did it mount on your desktop? and was that through the USB? Did you decide the 2.5 and 3.5 both required the same voltage? If all true, it sounds more like the 3.5 drive is bad. Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The drive would spin up light comes on, that's it. I looked at reviews of this particular icydock enclosure and other people had power issues as well... strange... don't think I'll be buying another one of these. I am open to other good quality enclosures.. John Martz As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:23 PM, MacGuy wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote: Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The drive would spin up light comes on, that's it. About boot-a-bility of external USB drives ... is that OS X (Leopard vrs Tiger) dependent in any way? I thought I read somewhere that USB 2 bootable became good (or was that became flaky?) under Leopard, and was not good under Tiger. If so, what OS were you trying to boot from on the 3.5 drive? I'll stop here ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 1:03 PM, MacGuy wrote: ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure... question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for this 2.5 drive? (what I'm doing is testing the enclosure to see if it's good, and the only drive I have to use is a 2.5 sata drive from a mac mini). Jeff Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com PowerMac G4 No, I have a Vantec NexStar USB/SATA HD dock and the 2.5 and 3.5 drives plug into the same power and data connectors. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:35 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:23 PM, MacGuy wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote: Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The drive would spin up light comes on, that's it. About boot-a-bility of external USB drives ... is that OS X (Leopard vrs Tiger) dependent in any way? I thought I read somewhere that USB 2 bootable became good (or was that became flaky?) under Leopard, and was not good under Tiger. If so, what OS were you trying to boot from on the 3.5 drive? I'll stop here ... I'm using an intel-based mini for the booting of that usb connected enclosure (all the intel based macs boot from usb without issues) I don't believe that PPC macs ever did. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the obvious explanation which is escaping me. If the 2.5 drive works with USB, then I would think there is no problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA-USB logic to either work or not work. But if the 3.5 drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the drive. So why wouldn't the 3.5 drive *also* work with USB? Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5 drive partitioned formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-( -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, John Martz wrote: As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the obvious explanation which is escaping me. If the 2.5 drive works with USB, then I would think there is no problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA-USB logic to either work or not work. But if the 3.5 drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the drive. So why wouldn't the 3.5 drive *also* work with USB? Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5 drive partitioned formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-( -irrational john Hey john... what's your number, I'll call ya or you me at 208-935-0992, Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, John Martz wrote: Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? 2.5 SATA has the very same power and data connectors as all current 3.5 SATA. 2.5 SATA goes to 500 GB. 3.5 SATA goes to 1.5 TB (1500 GB), with 2 TB (2000 GB) being sampled. As most host SATA buses are supporting 3.0 Gb/s, there is probably no need for 1.5 Gb/s, or the jumper which forces a drive to 1.5 Gb/s. The iSATA/eSATA cards for most G series Macs are 1.5 Gb/s, but the jumper really isn't necessary as the drive and the host will mutually determine the best speed. My Initio-based G4 cards (1.5 Gb/s) are perfectly happy with my eSATA drives which are jumpered for 3.0 Gb/s, and which I use interchangeably on my Intel Hackintoshes, all of which, even my Intel Atom Netbook, are 3.0 Gb/s. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:55 PM, John Martz wrote: As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/ product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the obvious explanation which is escaping me. If the 2.5 drive works with USB, then I would think there is no problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA-USB logic to either work or not work. But if the 3.5 drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the drive. So why wouldn't the 3.5 drive *also* work with USB? Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5 drive partitioned formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-( -irrational john Actually, USB-SATA (or IDE for that matter) connections do tend to be a bit more complicated than the direct connect eSATA. Keep in mind you are going through a mess of interfaces with any one of them being able to mess up the entire connection at any time. It can be a bit flaky at times also, especially if you disconnect one drive and insert another. The eSATA connection is almost a direct connection to the motherboard with just a cable switch.HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything BUT 3.5 drives using the USB interface? just strange. Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability? 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:24 PM, insightinmind wrote: I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything BUT 3.5 drives using the USB interface? just strange. Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability? 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio I think most docks are setup to accommodate either size, I know mine has a cutout in the little access door for a 2.5 drive and if you insert the larger 3.5 drive the door is spring loaded and just collapses to allow the bigger drive insertion. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:24 PM, insightinmind wrote: I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything BUT 3.5 drives using the USB interface? just strange. Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability? 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter? In one of the other models, the following switching bug is noted: *** While the rear panel Interface Converter Switch switched to eSATA interface, it only support SATA I transfer rate. This is known issue and should be fixed in future releases. Please switch to USB interface. Note: While the enclosure is switched to USB interface, both USB and eSATA interface works and supports SATA II transfer rate via eSATA. Maybe the switch is being blocked by the bigger drive? or did you not switch to USB/eSATA from eSATA only? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
