Re: [Gajim-devel] round 2, OSX
James Newton wrote: > > If you know of a way to support both OS/X and GNUstep then I will > help out from my side. 99% of the GNUstep apps run on OS/X and on all platforms that GNUstep supports (all variants of GNU, *BSD, Windows and proprieatary Unix variants). So basically porting an application for GNUstep means porting to OS/X as well. GNUstep is a free implementation of the OpenStep specification (which now exists as Cocoa). In that sense, GNUstep is a free Cocoa and more (some may say "less"). Typically, Cocoa developers' interest in GNUstep is only portability-wise, as making their programs work for GNUstep is the only way to port them to Windows (which is, generally, very attractive for them). > I dont own a machine with GNUstep installed and I probably never > will. I can say the same thing for OS/X, except by s/probably/definitely/, at least until it is released as free software. > Incidentally the GTK+ port uses Quartz and CF. So there's no way to make it work. Your approach seems to be the only possibility in that case, I guess. > I'm not gonna get into pissing contest on the philosophy of free > software. Beating people with an idea will never make them accept > it. No surprise. Ethical considerations are off-topic on nearly every mailing list as they make people uneasy. This mini-discussion is no exception. > But you have to bridge the gap to get people move from one camp to > another. My observations are different. By porting powerful free software (such as Emacs, BASH, grep, sed, GTK+, GIMP, Dia, Gajim, etc.) to say, Windows, it makes that operating system more compelling. So Windows users see no reason to migrate to GNU when they have nearly all the features that those free programs provide. Either way, the popularity of free software is a shallow goal. It will inevitably happen even without our help. What's important is the philosophy of the Free Software Movement, which doesn't propagate to people's minds as easily as the programs themselves do. ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] round 2, OSX
On 5/15/07, Yavor Doganov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James Newton wrote: > > > > +#include > > +#include > > If there's a way NOT to use CoreFoundation and Core* in principle, by > all means please try to. It is not implemented in GNUstep (yet). > Some time ago I spent few restless nights trying to port AbiWord's > MuckOS port to GNUstep and failed miserably mainly because of this. I > find it outrageous that free programs are being ported to proprietary > OSes anyway, instead of extending them to work better on variants of > the GNU system. But I'm not a Gajim developer so my opinion doesn't > count here. > > Frustratingly, 85% of the traffic on this list was Windoze-oriented. > Now it'll be 85% Windoze and 10% Muck OS X. If you know of a way to support both OS/X and GNUstep then I will help out from my side. I dont own a machine with GNUstep installed and I probably never will. But I am all for portability. You say the CoreFoundation stuff is not implemented in GNUstep yet. The only reason I am using that is for integration with OS/X's 'window manager' and desktop environment. I'd guess there are other methods for doing the same in GNUstep. Incidentally the GTK+ port uses Quartz and CF. I'm not gonna get into pissing contest on the philosophy of free software. Beating people with an idea will never make them accept it. I for one believe in free software. But you have to bridge the gap to get people move from one camp to another. ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] round 2, OSX
James Newton wrote: > > +#include > +#include If there's a way NOT to use CoreFoundation and Core* in principle, by all means please try to. It is not implemented in GNUstep (yet). Some time ago I spent few restless nights trying to port AbiWord's MuckOS port to GNUstep and failed miserably mainly because of this. I find it outrageous that free programs are being ported to proprietary OSes anyway, instead of extending them to work better on variants of the GNU system. But I'm not a Gajim developer so my opinion doesn't count here. Frustratingly, 85% of the traffic on this list was Windoze-oriented. Now it'll be 85% Windoze and 10% Muck OS X. ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
Re: [Gajim-devel] round 2, OSX
James Newton a écrit : > Hello again everyone. > > Here is my second round with the OS/X code. This time its not much > different but it plays nicer with everything else and makes use of the > autoconf/make setup. But I did slip in gtkspell support with the > native osx GTK build script and app bundle. > > This time it has two binary files that svn diff didnt want to pick up. > gajim.icns goes into gajim/data/pixmaps/gajim.icns and > keyedobjects.nib goes into gajim/data/nibs/MainMenu.nib. That is used > to setup the OS/X style menu. > > gtkspell uses aspell which has a different distribution file for the > dictionary for each language. Right now I just pull in the en > dictionary. Please forgive the english centric view. Does anyone have > any thoughts on how to distribute compiled app bundles with particular > languages? The dictionaries aren't terribly large, the english one is > 3.5M uncompressed. The package is already 66M uncompressed and 19M > compressed. That is almost all the GTK runtime. > > James Hi, First aof all, thanks for your port ! But you forgot to attach the diff :) Is there still a TODO list for your package ? Is it small enought so I can commit your diff ? -- Yann ___ Gajim-devel mailing list Gajim-devel@gajim.org https://lists.gajim.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/gajim-devel
