Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra
I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra
Hi folks, I read an article about Electronic Arts buying a small game company and they immediately dropped all the small games the company was working on that they figured would not make them at least 5 million in sales or sale at least 100,000 copies. I think the article said that EA sells 2 billion dollars worth of games each year. Phil - Original Message - From: Liam Erven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra problem is. there is no money in making games accessible. Ok. so. let's say 1000 blind folks decide to buy a game that was made accessible inthe mainstream market. that's like 45000 dollars assuming the game is 45 bucks, which is usually what games go for. That's chump change when compared to the enormous volumes of games that are sold. It is nice to see that developers are aware of those with visual impairments, but there is no reason for them to spend extra money that they won't get back. Now.. If there were four million blind people who would all buy the latest greatest game if it were accessible, then maybe that would be a different story. I know this list is only a cross section of the number of blind people there are, but one thing we have to ask ourselves is on this list, how many people would buy a new game if it were accessible. I know a lot of folks are older and enjoy the card games more than fast paced games. You could even back it up further though. I know there are a number of sports fans. Let's say EA sports put out mlb 2008 for the x box whith full commentary as well as audio cues. Now. the x box 360 retails for somewhere around 400 bucks I believes? Unless the price has dropped. you're looking at 445 bucks or so for one game. who honestly is going to pay that. who honestly can afford that? Who honestly can see the need for that? I think there are so many more important things than entertainment. I really like to see the push to let the developers know about those with visual impairments, but like Yvonne said. it all boils down to money. Liam - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra
The possibility that we might actually get through to mainstream devs. While Ivon and others are right that they tend to want money and figures and such, I doubt the entire blind gaming community combined could com up with the amount of money necessary to please them. So emotional appeals are the only other option. He does have a point in that those mainstream designers themselves could find themselves in the disabled category at any time, so they should consider how they make their games. Bryan and Jennie, the Engaged Audio Gamers. - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
[Audyssey] I can't find this mud
Hello folks. I'm trying to remember. There was a mud that was i believe pure pk. You had to build a base, research new technology that came with different structures, and then after a grace period you could attack other players. It also had some kind of paint ball arena to practice or play one on one with someone. Does anyone remember the game I'm talking about? I can't recall the name of it and I'd like to make a go of it again. thanks much, Scott ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] I can't find this mud
Asault: High Tech War. And I'm not sure if it's still actually running... I hadn't heard anything about it in a while. James At 11:09 AM 4/25/2007, you wrote: Hello folks. I'm trying to remember. There was a mud that was i believe pure pk. You had to build a base, research new technology that came with different structures, and then after a grace period you could attack other players. It also had some kind of paint ball arena to practice or play one on one with someone. Does anyone remember the game I'm talking about? I can't recall the name of it and I'd like to make a go of it again. thanks much, Scott ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra
Ok, Yvonne... I dare you to join the GA-SIG and share your point of view... Why Don't You? - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra
First of all I am not familiar with abbreviations. So, I would consider joining a forum if you gave me a full name for which to look it up. I would also appreciate it if you would have the curtosey to give a name at the end of your messages. I was not afraid to sign my name to my opinions. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra Ok, Yvonne... I dare you to join the GA-SIG and share your point of view... Why Don't You? - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] I can't find this mud
Do you remember the connection information. I found a listing for assault at an address and I try to connect and after about 30 seconds the connection gets refused. Thanks, Scott - Original Message - From: James Homuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I can't find this mud Asault: High Tech War. And I'm not sure if it's still actually running... I hadn't heard anything about it in a while. James At 11:09 AM 4/25/2007, you wrote: Hello folks. I'm trying to remember. There was a mud that was i believe pure pk. You had to build a base, research new technology that came with different structures, and then after a grace period you could attack other players. It also had some kind of paint ball arena to practice or play one on one with someone. Does anyone remember the game I'm talking about? I can't recall the name of it and I'd like to make a go of it again. thanks much, Scott ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] I can't find this mud
No, but google's your friend. James At 03:35 PM 4/25/2007, you wrote: Do you remember the connection information. I found a listing for assault at an address and I try to connect and after about 30 seconds the connection gets refused. Thanks, Scott - Original Message - From: James Homuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I can't find this mud Asault: High Tech War. And I'm not sure if it's still actually running... I hadn't heard anything about it in a while. James At 11:09 AM 4/25/2007, you wrote: Hello folks. I'm trying to remember. There was a mud that was i believe pure pk. You had to build a base, research new technology that came with different structures, and then after a grace period you could attack other players. It also had some kind of paint ball arena to practice or play one on one with someone. Does anyone remember the game I'm talking about? I can't recall the name of it and I'd like to make a go of it again. thanks much, Scott ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra
I'll throw my two cents in. Emotional appeals just won't work. For developers, for companies, it's all about the money, about the glitz, the gloss, the numbers. They won't write games for niche markets, and since the needs of the disabled community are scattered, with different accommodations required for blind, deaf, and paraplegic users, they won't be able to round us up into a significant enough market to make their corporate sponsors care. Developing to targeted audiences also does take time, not just in coding, but in testing as well. We have to make that worthwhile, and an emotional appeal won't do that. To suggest that it will come easily trivializes the programming effort involved. Besides, developers reading that article might fleetingly be affected by the prose, but they'll forget it tomorrow. Most of us, whoever we are, don't think about what could happen tomorrow. We don't dwell on the possibilities that were outlined. We keep going until it happens, and then we try to cope. That's just the human way. Just my two cents. Lora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AudioGames.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra Ok, Yvonne... I dare you to join the GA-SIG and share your point of view... Why Don't You? - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra
The problem is that, even joined together as a unified community the blind gaming community in particular is probably not likely to be able to come up with the kind of money that most developers would ask for. The only sure way to persuade them is to educate them, and there is a certain amount of emotional apeal involved in that. I agree. Let's let the developer find out how we feels when he's just recovered from a life-altering injury and suddenly finds he can't see. Bryan and Jennie, the Engaged Audio Gamers. - Original Message - From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I'll throw my two cents in. Emotional appeals just won't work. For developers, for companies, it's all about the money, about the glitz, the gloss, the numbers. They won't write games for niche markets, and since the needs of the disabled community are scattered, with different accommodations required for blind, deaf, and paraplegic users, they won't be able to round us up into a significant enough market to make their corporate sponsors care. Developing to targeted audiences also does take time, not just in coding, but in testing as well. We have to make that worthwhile, and an emotional appeal won't do that. To suggest that it will come easily trivializes the programming effort involved. Besides, developers reading that article might fleetingly be affected by the prose, but they'll forget it tomorrow. Most of us, whoever we are, don't think about what could happen tomorrow. We don't dwell on the possibilities that were outlined. We keep going until it happens, and then we try to cope. That's just the human way. Just my two cents. Lora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AudioGames.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra Ok, Yvonne... I dare you to join the GA-SIG and share your point of view... Why Don't You? - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___
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Yeah Brian, Exactly! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra The problem is that, even joined together as a unified community the blind gaming community in particular is probably not likely to be able to come up with the kind of money that most developers would ask for. The only sure way to persuade them is to educate them, and there is a certain amount of emotional apeal involved in that. I agree. Let's let the developer find out how we feels when he's just recovered from a life-altering injury and suddenly finds he can't see. Bryan and Jennie, the Engaged Audio Gamers. - Original Message - From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I'll throw my two cents in. Emotional appeals just won't work. For developers, for companies, it's all about the money, about the glitz, the gloss, the numbers. They won't write games for niche markets, and since the needs of the disabled community are scattered, with different accommodations required for blind, deaf, and paraplegic users, they won't be able to round us up into a significant enough market to make their corporate sponsors care. Developing to targeted audiences also does take time, not just in coding, but in testing as well. We have to make that worthwhile, and an emotional appeal won't do that. To suggest that it will come easily trivializes the programming effort involved. Besides, developers reading that article might fleetingly be affected by the prose, but they'll forget it tomorrow. Most of us, whoever we are, don't think about what could happen tomorrow. We don't dwell on the possibilities that were outlined. We keep going until it happens, and then we try to cope. That's just the human way. Just my two cents. Lora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AudioGames.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra Ok, Yvonne... I dare you to join the GA-SIG and share your point of view... Why Don't You? - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hiya, I'd like to throw in a few logs myself, if this is a fire. I'm not a big fan of saying that anything simply won't work, and I don't like to jump on any bandwagon and criticize unnecesarily. I don't believe any approach is without marrit. Advocacy is a wonderful and an important thing, and furthermore it's something I love doing--I can't tell you how many times people simply assume things about the blind which ignorance only compounds. If you give them facts--yes, we do play computer games, and do you want to know how? they'll remember it and maybe tell their friends about it, all that. You have to do it the right way, though--it's like trying to explain to somebody else what you believe in, your personal credo and value system. In this case, though, you're less likely to offend somebody. With all that said, I'd ask us to take a step back from saying that things simply won't work, and to look at what has worked, what has happened by pure accident. I for one was a big fan of the EA Sports Trippleplay series of baseball games--which were not accessible intentionally. They just were. I'll get down off my soapbox here, folks. Thanks, Zack. - Original Message - From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I'll throw my two cents in. Emotional appeals just won't work. For developers, for companies, it's all about the money, about the glitz, the gloss, the numbers. They won't write games for niche markets, and since the needs of the disabled community are scattered, with different accommodations required for blind, deaf, and paraplegic users, they won't be able to round us up into a significant enough market to make their corporate sponsors care. Developing to targeted audiences also does take time, not just in coding, but in testing as well. We have to make that worthwhile, and an emotional appeal won't do that. To suggest that it will come easily trivializes the programming effort involved. Besides, developers reading that article might fleetingly be affected by the prose, but they'll forget it tomorrow. Most of us, whoever we are, don't think about what could happen tomorrow. We don't dwell on the possibilities that were outlined. We keep going until it happens, and then we try to cope. That's just the human way. Just my two cents. Lora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AudioGames.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra Ok, Yvonne... I dare you to join the GA-SIG and share your point of view... Why Don't You? - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE
Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra
Hi Yvonne, The GA-SIG is the Game Accessibility Special Interest Group, set up by the IGDA = International Game Developers Association. Have a look at: www.igda.org/accessibility and www.game-accessibility.com Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra First of all I am not familiar with abbreviations. So, I would consider joining a forum if you gave me a full name for which to look it up. I would also appreciate it if you would have the curtosey to give a name at the end of your messages. I was not afraid to sign my name to my opinions. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra Ok, Yvonne... I dare you to join the GA-SIG and share your point of view... Why Don't You? - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game AccessibilityonGamasutra I must agree wholeheartedly. A nice tactic, using emotional appeals to try to make devs see the value of accessibility. I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. J.D. Fortune, Pretty Vegas - Original Message - From: Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game Accessibility onGamasutra On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:41:18AM EST, AudioGames.net wrote: Hi, Check out this well-written article titled Game Accessibility: Why Bother? http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13650 A very very good read. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit
Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra
Hi, What I hope you all *get* is that this article is an 'opinion piece' = a personal view on a subject. Dimitris and the rest of us have also written several other articles and papers with different approaches, like: http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050706/bierre_01.shtml http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060817/grammenos_01.shtml http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20061207/grammenos_01.shtml http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20051003/adams_01.shtml and here's one on legalities and money: http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060428/buscaglia_01.shtml Dimitris' piece is not THE approach, it is one of many approaches. It was written by Dimitris on the plane home after this years GDC where we (AudioGames.net IGDA GA-SIG) all went to spread the word about game accessibility. This years didn't go as well as we would have liked because of many reasons, but one of the biggest problem was that that the majority of game developers simply can't connect with this subject. Many don't know that this subject is relevant for them too. And Dimitris simply wrote a simple piece explaining this. And honestly, how many 'emotional appeal pieces' about game accessibility are there out there? I don't know any? And this community never published anything on Gamasutra after Gavin Andresens/ZForms article. Although I agree money IS an issue, it still is not THE issue. Awareness (especially during design decision) is equally important! Technically speaking, design decisions don't necessarily cost more money. The decision for the designers of Bejeweled to not only make different coloured jewels, but also different shaped jewels was one that made the game accessible for everyone who is colour blind. So with those 4 or 6 extra graphics, the game is accessible for millions of people. That decision didn't neccesarily cost more money (ok, the graphic designer had to make 5 more jewel shapes but considering the amount of graphics in the game... ;). Greets, Richard http://www.audiogames.net - Original Message - From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent NewArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I'll throw my two cents in. Emotional appeals just won't work. For developers, for companies, it's all about the money, about the glitz, the gloss, the numbers. They won't write games for niche markets, and since the needs of the disabled community are scattered, with different accommodations required for blind, deaf, and paraplegic users, they won't be able to round us up into a significant enough market to make their corporate sponsors care. Developing to targeted audiences also does take time, not just in coding, but in testing as well. We have to make that worthwhile, and an emotional appeal won't do that. To suggest that it will come easily trivializes the programming effort involved. Besides, developers reading that article might fleetingly be affected by the prose, but they'll forget it tomorrow. Most of us, whoever we are, don't think about what could happen tomorrow. We don't dwell on the possibilities that were outlined. We keep going until it happens, and then we try to cope. That's just the human way. Just my two cents. Lora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AudioGames.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New ArticleAboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra Ok, Yvonne... I dare you to join the GA-SIG and share your point of view... Why Don't You? - Original Message - From: Yvonne Alaniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article AboutGameAccessibilityonGamasutra I am not impressed by the article. It does appeal on emotional level and that is not what concerns the developers. It is simply cold, hard, cash. We need to present our case for more accessible games from that perspective. That will be the only way to get their attention. Yvonne Stressed out? Need to relax? Call Yvonne and schedule your massage today! (361) 249-8739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: AudioGames.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About GameAccessibilityonGamasutra Hi, *quote* I can't deny that I remain skeptical but I'm not dead set against the possibility either. *quote end* Against what possibility is that? Greets, Richard - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Excellent New Article About Game
