Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Shaun. Well, I've just been doing some digging around and while I never owned a Dectalk Express or anything like that, I have found an old Keynote Gold VC which was the PCMCIA card Pulse Data put out in around 1995 1996. I also have the driver disks for Master Touch their screen reader and the PC card drivers so I can get this up and running with little difficulty. I'll keep you posted as I said, but I cant envisage any problems unless the auction is for a laptop which is a dud. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:26 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games I aggree. the fact the keynote gold needed a 386 was the issue I can probably get a single core unit for cheap. In fact I know I can get one for nothing. However I don't have synth hardware. My plan is to eventually buy one of the usb synths but I think my days of pure dos are over. I tried for about 2 years. I have given up now. At 09:11 p.m. 17/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Shaun. Sounds like you had a lot of bother, but the joys of playing text adventures under my native DOS are just too good an opportunity for me to pass this one up. If I can get the hardware cheap, I can make it a labour of love and rig up the DOS computer I've always cherished. Call me sad but I have many happy memories playing AGT, TADS, ZCode and Alan games, plus of course all those games that were never ported to the programming standards of IF including Humbug and Jacaranda Jim by Graham Cluley, the Hugo trilogy and on. There is a fantastic selection of games at the Interactive Fiction Archive in the PC directory which will only run on DOS and it would be good to relive those happy and less sophisticated days. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:40 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games ibriham Its been a major project since my old toshiba t1850 died. Ofcause all the pulsedata readers needed a 386 else they didn't work. So I decided that I'd just run with stuff on trademe or ebay or something. Trouble was at least locally I couldn't find a good box. I managed to find a loggable unit once but it was heavy and the keyboard was dammaged. I then went for another box but still couldn't find it that worked ok. Then all my synths crapped out the keynote sa needed a battery change and was useless even on power. I never found out how to change the cells so I chucked the synth away. The dectalk functioned for a bit but keynote stuff only supported keynote synths. I hadn't used jaws though knew I could use the free reader or hal free reader for dos. In the end I just decided enough was enough. The only way I think I'd ever go back to dos was if I either 1. got someone to give up a keynote gold external synth and a 386 system or a keynote internal and a steady supply of parts, I would need a keynote gold. or 2. that I found room for a linux box just to play old dos games. I will bee aquiring a single core crappy old mangled dog of a box my grandpa uses which is a begger to use and setup but it will do for the old windows games especially if I go 64 with the laptop. Dos though unless someone has hardware to give or an idea how I could do it as software and in such a way as I could run the hints and other things in windows and also to emulate the pc speakers setups and stuff by making stuff run at the right speed while not effecting anything else I may seriously concider it. Right now though dos is just to hard to obtain. I guess I could have pushed for a new gold running box back in 1995 and probably should have. Ofcause thats ages ago and I'd never have fitted things back then. Back then I still relyed on now mostly dammaged floppies I still have those. Most of my stuff was and performance was gotten via vertual memmory management and optimisations of the system. I also disabled sertain things and hacked their address space. Must say though the more I look at it the more I realise its really not practicle to use dos as a primary os anymore on a system. Academic as it is, I actually have dos 5.0 wp 5.1 dos6.22 and I think dos7 that I used in the old days. I have all my keynote software, and even other stuff I coppied for things. Those days seem like a long time ago now. Just thinking of them brings me to tears some times. At 05:48 p.m. 17/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas. I still mess around with DOS as a hobbies and have the hardware synths and software for it, however I've just had to locate a new laptop as the one i was using died after some 17 years long hard service, not unfortunately under my tender ministrations. I've now managed to find an HP Omnibook machine however whether it'll be too powerful is still something I'm dithering over since whether I can still get the DOS drivers for the various
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Thomas, That is about the only thing that I do not like about VB6, and that is that a standard print of text to the screen does not get spoken automatically, not with my old version of Jaws or NVDA. Actually I have never found a way to do it that it is spoken automatically. That is why I started my Windows games with recorded speech games and then went to sapi5 text to speech games. I know now that some have their game write directly to each of the different screen readers, but I personally am still very happy with sapi. BFN Jim There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Ibrahim, I still have my Accent SA hardware synthesizer. It was so responsive on a dos computer. But not as much on my Windows XP with JFW. So I just use Eloquence. But on my other computer I have a Triple Talk USB synthesizer. And I have an Echo synthesizer that someone gave me. I do not have a working dos machine any more though. It would be fun to play some of the text adventure games and have the text speak automatically. But I do run some of them now just at the command prompt in Windows XP. I actually spend allot of time in the command prompt. But I do also very much enjoy all of the abilities for using sounds in Windows games that we did not have in the dos games. And with some very nice ATT voices that are way way less robotic sounding than the hardware synthesizers, I like my Windows games. BFN Jim Taglines...one line freedom of speech! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Ah yes, the goold ol' Echo. Speech quality is horrible by today's standards of course but it still holds some great memories for me. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Jim Kitchen Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:08 AM To: Ibrahim Gucukoglu Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Ibrahim, I still have my Accent SA hardware synthesizer. It was so responsive on a dos computer. But not as much on my Windows XP with JFW. So I just use Eloquence. But on my other computer I have a Triple Talk USB synthesizer. And I have an Echo synthesizer that someone gave me. I do not have a working dos machine any more though. It would be fun to play some of the text adventure games and have the text speak automatically. But I do run some of them now just at the command prompt in Windows XP. I actually spend allot of time in the command prompt. But I do also very much enjoy all of the abilities for using sounds in Windows games that we did not have in the dos games. And with some very nice ATT voices that are way way less robotic sounding than the hardware synthesizers, I like my Windows games. BFN Jim Taglines...one line freedom of speech! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hmmm. I am not sure. I have been able through public and other means to access manuals on disks, the net and other computers I was able to get access to over the years. The dos readers were mostly tsr shells that simply ran over the command prompt but allowed it to run. The screen itself was read directly via device con which was a direct screen port, probably there was or were irqs and ports for various devices. or memmory addressing. It would only read text modes supported by the video card and culd read lines and symbols and other stuff. info was directly input via a direct link to the keyboard device. For most there were no drivers though there were configurations simular to scripts at least in mastertouch which were like our say application settings in control panel would be now. Ofcause the reader could only do 1 thing at once but dos could only do one thing at once. I should imagine there was some buffer in memmory, though vertual buffers were configured at startup as well as file handles and stack addresses. Sertainly I don't think things were ever created on the fly. Most synths well actually the keynote gold were supported directly with a driver the reader ran itself. any intercepts would be started and stopped when reader launched and were part of the startup program. I have read that some synths like the dectalk all versions the keynote pc card and a few others like accent and maybe artic needed 1 or more device drivers to init them. Ofcause we can't exactly do that in windows. I used to use a keynote on windows and it worked fine. However I tried dectalk with hal and the system failed. I reformatted about 10 times or so. each time the system other got the wrong language, or its video card chain broke. My theory was but never proven that it tried to directly access a memmory address or port. Due to security reasons just after win95 was released, ms blocked direct access to hardware to prevent memmory address stealing like happened in windows 3.11. It does mean though that you can't traditionally read the screen without mangling something. At 01:06 a.m. 17/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Shaun, I'm not aware of any open source screen readers for Dos. We are just lucky to have NVDA for Windows which wouldn't work for our needs because it relies on specific Windows APIs to report back what is on screen. The main reason NVDA doesn't require video intercept drivers etc is because a lot of the onscreen information can be obtained directly via the Windows API or U.I. Automation found in Windows 7 and Windows 8. Obviously, that wasn't available back in the Dos days so I'm not quite sure how they managed it back then. Probably rigged a video intercept driver to take a snapshot of the screen and then stored it in a virtual buffer and the screen reader read from that virtual buffer. Bottom line, worrying about what TTS Engine to use is the least of our worries. The real issue is how to expose the text onscreen to the screen reader or speech system given that there were probably not a lot of APIs developed to expose this kind of information twenty-some years ago and screen reader developers were forced to develop an off-screen model, a buffer, to store the state of the screen at any given moment in time. At this point the best thing I could do is look at YASR, a console screen reader for Linux, and see how the author obtained information from the shell. Perhaps the same concept would apply here. Although, theway YASR works is it creates a virtual terminal that runs over top of the current shell, and essentually runs programs like Nano, Alpine, and so on inside YASR rather than from the shell itself. On 10/17/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: not that its worth much, but I was talking to morrice slone one of the managers of humanware group, formally pulse data internation inc about that vary thing. Without the synth its useless and they don't make them anymore. However due to this and the fact that that they have sifted to windows ce and other junk, old versions of the keysoft 1x and mastertouch 2 and 1 are technical freeware. You can't get them from humanware though. I assume that you could distribute them but without the synthyou couldn't run them. keysoft 2 has copy protection and you would have to crack that but thats also technically freeware now pc development has stopped. All of that is useless now they stopped making synths I guess keeping those things copywrited just made no sence. Was there ever an dos screenreader that had source code or a way someone could contact someone with that? the easiest thing would to add espeak as a synth. would even be better if there was a blind friendly version of dosbox with the kernal rigged for speach, obviously it would need its own updates, etc, and you would have to use espeak or something but it could be a complete windows kit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want
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You got some of it right, but it was xp when they started blocking hardware access. The dos screen readers hooked into the video driver and only grabbed the text and all graphics had its number assigned to it like we got now. You had no buffers or video intercept. Just the screen reader grabbing all test from video card output. At 02:32 AM 10/17/2012, you wrote: Hmmm. I am not sure. I have been able through public and other means to access manuals on disks, the net and other computers I was able to get access to over the years. The dos readers were mostly tsr shells that simply ran over the command prompt but allowed it to run. The screen itself was read directly via device con which was a direct screen port, probably there was or were irqs and ports for various devices. or memmory addressing. It would only read text modes supported by the video card and culd read lines and symbols and other stuff. info was directly input via a direct link to the keyboard device. For most there were no drivers though there were configurations simular to scripts at least in mastertouch which were like our say application settings in control panel would be now. Ofcause the reader could only do 1 thing at once but dos could only do one thing at once. I should imagine there was some buffer in memmory, though vertual buffers were configured at startup as well as file handles and stack addresses. Sertainly I don't think things were ever created on the fly. Most synths well actually the keynote gold were supported directly with a driver the reader ran itself. any intercepts would be started and stopped when reader launched and were part of the startup program. I have read that some synths like the dectalk all versions the keynote pc card and a few others like accent and maybe artic needed 1 or more device drivers to init them. Ofcause we can't exactly do that in windows. I used to use a keynote on windows and it worked fine. However I tried dectalk with hal and the system failed. I reformatted about 10 times or so. each time the system other got the wrong language, or its video card chain broke. My theory was but never proven that it tried to directly access a memmory address or port. Due to security reasons just after win95 was released, ms blocked direct access to hardware to prevent memmory address stealing like happened in windows 3.11. It does mean though that you can't traditionally read the screen without mangling something. At 01:06 a.m. 17/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Shaun, I'm not aware of any open source screen readers for Dos. We are just lucky to have NVDA for Windows which wouldn't work for our needs because it relies on specific Windows APIs to report back what is on screen. The main reason NVDA doesn't require video intercept drivers etc is because a lot of the onscreen information can be obtained directly via the Windows API or U.I. Automation found in Windows 7 and Windows 8. Obviously, that wasn't available back in the Dos days so I'm not quite sure how they managed it back then. Probably rigged a video intercept driver to take a snapshot of the screen and then stored it in a virtual buffer and the screen reader read from that virtual buffer. Bottom line, worrying about what TTS Engine to use is the least of our worries. The real issue is how to expose the text onscreen to the screen reader or speech system given that there were probably not a lot of APIs developed to expose this kind of information twenty-some years ago and screen reader developers were forced to develop an off-screen model, a buffer, to store the state of the screen at any given moment in time. At this point the best thing I could do is look at YASR, a console screen reader for Linux, and see how the author obtained information from the shell. Perhaps the same concept would apply here. Although, theway YASR works is it creates a virtual terminal that runs over top of the current shell, and essentually runs programs like Nano, Alpine, and so on inside YASR rather than from the shell itself. On 10/17/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: not that its worth much, but I was talking to morrice slone one of the managers of humanware group, formally pulse data internation inc about that vary thing. Without the synth its useless and they don't make them anymore. However due to this and the fact that that they have sifted to windows ce and other junk, old versions of the keysoft 1x and mastertouch 2 and 1 are technical freeware. You can't get them from humanware though. I assume that you could distribute them but without the synthyou couldn't run them. keysoft 2 has copy protection and you would have to crack that but thats also technically freeware now pc development has stopped. All of that is useless now they stopped making synths I guess keeping those things copywrited just made no sence. Was there ever an dos screenreader that had source code or a way someone could contact
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Thomas, I'm not sure how the dos screen readers actually worked, but I know that when I was writing games in Quick Basic 4.5 or PDS7 I could print text on the screen that the dos screen reader would not automatically speak. Or I could print to the screen and console and the text would be automatically spoken by the dos screen reader. To do that you would do open o, #1, con And then print #1,hello So that would be spoken automatically. but if you just did print hello That would not be spoken automatically. Now all print in GW Basic would be spoken automatically. And one thing that I really liked in dos basic was the locate function. You could locate and print any where that you wanted to on the screen. And again have it spoken automatically or not. But it was all there on the screen and available with the review cursor. BFN Jim I like Visual Basic 6.0 because I can not C. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Shaun, Well, it wasn't that the Dectalk etc requires more than one set of drivers to initialize them, but the drivers were separate from the Dos screen reader itself. You got a floppy disc with your unit which you installed to your Dos PC and then to initialize the synth you ran a batch file like c:\dtexp\dtexp.bat to initialize the Dectalk Express. The Dectalk PC and various other hardware synths had a similar procedure for initializing the synth before using it with your screen reader. Once that was done you could do something like c:\Jaws\jaws to run Jaws for Dos to begin speaking. In any case that is all pretty academic now. Very few people actually own hardware synths and most of the screen readers for Dos are closed source and aren't suitable for an open source project like Dos Box. So I think if we want speech in Dos Box someone is going to have to reinvent the wheel by figuring out how to create a TSR type shell that runs on top of the Dos shell and speaks everything via synth like ESpeak. Either that or somehow integrate the speech directly into Dos Box itself rather than as a separate application that can be bolted on as needed. :D On 10/17/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm. I am not sure. I have been able through public and other means to access manuals on disks, the net and other computers I was able to get access to over the years. The dos readers were mostly tsr shells that simply ran over the command prompt but allowed it to run. The screen itself was read directly via device con which was a direct screen port, probably there was or were irqs and ports for various devices. or memmory addressing. It would only read text modes supported by the video card and culd read lines and symbols and other stuff. info was directly input via a direct link to the keyboard device. For most there were no drivers though there were configurations simular to scripts at least in mastertouch which were like our say application settings in control panel would be now. Ofcause the reader could only do 1 thing at once but dos could only do one thing at once. I should imagine there was some buffer in memmory, though vertual buffers were configured at startup as well as file handles and stack addresses. Sertainly I don't think things were ever created on the fly. Most synths well actually the keynote gold were supported directly with a driver the reader ran itself. any intercepts would be started and stopped when reader launched and were part of the startup program. I have read that some synths like the dectalk all versions the keynote pc card and a few others like accent and maybe artic needed 1 or more device drivers to init them. Ofcause we can't exactly do that in windows. I used to use a keynote on windows and it worked fine. However I tried dectalk with hal and the system failed. I reformatted about 10 times or so. each time the system other got the wrong language, or its video card chain broke. My theory was but never proven that it tried to directly access a memmory address or port. Due to security reasons just after win95 was released, ms blocked direct access to hardware to prevent memmory address stealing like happened in windows 3.11. It does mean though that you can't traditionally read the screen without mangling something. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Thomas. I still mess around with DOS as a hobbies and have the hardware synths and software for it, however I've just had to locate a new laptop as the one i was using died after some 17 years long hard service, not unfortunately under my tender ministrations. I've now managed to find an HP Omnibook machine however whether it'll be too powerful is still something I'm dithering over since whether I can still get the DOS drivers for the various components is a consideration. all the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Shaun, Well, it wasn't that the Dectalk etc requires more than one set of drivers to initialize them, but the drivers were separate from the Dos screen reader itself. You got a floppy disc with your unit which you installed to your Dos PC and then to initialize the synth you ran a batch file like c:\dtexp\dtexp.bat to initialize the Dectalk Express. The Dectalk PC and various other hardware synths had a similar procedure for initializing the synth before using it with your screen reader. Once that was done you could do something like c:\Jaws\jaws to run Jaws for Dos to begin speaking. In any case that is all pretty academic now. Very few people actually own hardware synths and most of the screen readers for Dos are closed source and aren't suitable for an open source project like Dos Box. So I think if we want speech in Dos Box someone is going to have to reinvent the wheel by figuring out how to create a TSR type shell that runs on top of the Dos shell and speaks everything via synth like ESpeak. Either that or somehow integrate the speech directly into Dos Box itself rather than as a separate application that can be bolted on as needed. :D On 10/17/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm. I am not sure. I have been able through public and other means to access manuals on disks, the net and other computers I was able to get access to over the years. The dos readers were mostly tsr shells that simply ran over the command prompt but allowed it to run. The screen itself was read directly via device con which was a direct screen port, probably there was or were irqs and ports for various devices. or memmory addressing. It would only read text modes supported by the video card and culd read lines and symbols and other stuff. info was directly input via a direct link to the keyboard device. For most there were no drivers though there were configurations simular to scripts at least in mastertouch which were like our say application settings in control panel would be now. Ofcause the reader could only do 1 thing at once but dos could only do one thing at once. I should imagine there was some buffer in memmory, though vertual buffers were configured at startup as well as file handles and stack addresses. Sertainly I don't think things were ever created on the fly. Most synths well actually the keynote gold were supported directly with a driver the reader ran itself. any intercepts would be started and stopped when reader launched and were part of the startup program. I have read that some synths like the dectalk all versions the keynote pc card and a few others like accent and maybe artic needed 1 or more device drivers to init them. Ofcause we can't exactly do that in windows. I used to use a keynote on windows and it worked fine. However I tried dectalk with hal and the system failed. I reformatted about 10 times or so. each time the system other got the wrong language, or its video card chain broke. My theory was but never proven that it tried to directly access a memmory address or port. Due to security reasons just after win95 was released, ms blocked direct access to hardware to prevent memmory address stealing like happened in windows 3.11. It does mean though that you can't traditionally read the screen without mangling something. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Thomas. Here Here, I've managed to find myself a laptop which looks as if it could serve reasonably well. Its an HP Omni book 2100 with a 3.2GB hard drive, 32MB of memory, MMX processor running at 233MHZ and integrated floppy and cd rom drives. I've been doing my research and although the machine doesn't have drivers for DOS and Windows 3.1X, a little digging and improvisation should get most of the hardware working well enough. I too had a lot of difficulties getting my Apollo synthesizers working well under a virtual machine environment of DOS and so I've decided to spend what could be a very small amount depending on how the auction goes on this little gem. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Ibrahim, I still have an old Dectalk Express as well as my original copy of Jaws for Dos which I mess around with now and then as well. I principly keep my Dectalk around more for Linux than I do for Dos, but the fact is I'm one of the few withthe the right equipment to use Dos Box. Unfortunately, most people these days don't have the right hardware or the software for Dos support. Anyway, the biggest problem I've encountered is the fact that older hardware synths won't work with a new computer. Every laptop I've purchased in the last six years or so don't have a serial port, and are USB only. I've tried various USB to serial converter cables with no luck. I've heard it can be done, but haven't found that one that works correctly with my aging Dectalk Express. I also have a Dectalk PC, and that one is a lost cause. The Dectalk PC cards are ISA boards and every desktop built in the last 10 years or so are PCI. Therefore all the old internal synths are pretty much dead synths. Cheers! On 10/17/12, Ibrahim Gucukoglu ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com wrote: Hi Thomas. I still mess around with DOS as a hobbies and have the hardware synths and software for it, however I've just had to locate a new laptop as the one i was using died after some 17 years long hard service, not unfortunately under my tender ministrations. I've now managed to find an HP Omnibook machine however whether it'll be too powerful is still something I'm dithering over since whether I can still get the DOS drivers for the various components is a consideration. all the best, Ibrahim. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
ibriham Its been a major project since my old toshiba t1850 died. Ofcause all the pulsedata readers needed a 386 else they didn't work. So I decided that I'd just run with stuff on trademe or ebay or something. Trouble was at least locally I couldn't find a good box. I managed to find a loggable unit once but it was heavy and the keyboard was dammaged. I then went for another box but still couldn't find it that worked ok. Then all my synths crapped out the keynote sa needed a battery change and was useless even on power. I never found out how to change the cells so I chucked the synth away. The dectalk functioned for a bit but keynote stuff only supported keynote synths. I hadn't used jaws though knew I could use the free reader or hal free reader for dos. In the end I just decided enough was enough. The only way I think I'd ever go back to dos was if I either 1. got someone to give up a keynote gold external synth and a 386 system or a keynote internal and a steady supply of parts, I would need a keynote gold. or 2. that I found room for a linux box just to play old dos games. I will bee aquiring a single core crappy old mangled dog of a box my grandpa uses which is a begger to use and setup but it will do for the old windows games especially if I go 64 with the laptop. Dos though unless someone has hardware to give or an idea how I could do it as software and in such a way as I could run the hints and other things in windows and also to emulate the pc speakers setups and stuff by making stuff run at the right speed while not effecting anything else I may seriously concider it. Right now though dos is just to hard to obtain. I guess I could have pushed for a new gold running box back in 1995 and probably should have. Ofcause thats ages ago and I'd never have fitted things back then. Back then I still relyed on now mostly dammaged floppies I still have those. Most of my stuff was and performance was gotten via vertual memmory management and optimisations of the system. I also disabled sertain things and hacked their address space. Must say though the more I look at it the more I realise its really not practicle to use dos as a primary os anymore on a system. Academic as it is, I actually have dos 5.0 wp 5.1 dos6.22 and I think dos7 that I used in the old days. I have all my keynote software, and even other stuff I coppied for things. Those days seem like a long time ago now. Just thinking of them brings me to tears some times. At 05:48 p.m. 17/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas. I still mess around with DOS as a hobbies and have the hardware synths and software for it, however I've just had to locate a new laptop as the one i was using died after some 17 years long hard service, not unfortunately under my tender ministrations. I've now managed to find an HP Omnibook machine however whether it'll be too powerful is still something I'm dithering over since whether I can still get the DOS drivers for the various components is a consideration. all the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Shaun, Well, it wasn't that the Dectalk etc requires more than one set of drivers to initialize them, but the drivers were separate from the Dos screen reader itself. You got a floppy disc with your unit which you installed to your Dos PC and then to initialize the synth you ran a batch file like c:\dtexp\dtexp.bat to initialize the Dectalk Express. The Dectalk PC and various other hardware synths had a similar procedure for initializing the synth before using it with your screen reader. Once that was done you could do something like c:\Jaws\jaws to run Jaws for Dos to begin speaking. In any case that is all pretty academic now. Very few people actually own hardware synths and most of the screen readers for Dos are closed source and aren't suitable for an open source project like Dos Box. So I think if we want speech in Dos Box someone is going to have to reinvent the wheel by figuring out how to create a TSR type shell that runs on top of the Dos shell and speaks everything via synth like ESpeak. Either that or somehow integrate the speech directly into Dos Box itself rather than as a separate application that can be bolted on as needed. :D On 10/17/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm. I am not sure. I have been able through public and other means to access manuals on disks, the net and other computers I was able to get access to over the years. The dos readers were mostly tsr shells that simply ran over the command prompt but allowed it to run. The screen itself was read directly via device con which was a direct screen port, probably there was or were irqs and ports for various devices. or memmory addressing. It would only read text modes supported by the video card and culd read lines and symbols and other stuff
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I wish you luck man. I had such a system but as it stands true units are units with mon screens and are hard to buy. I couldn't get one about 2000 and I'd say its impossible now. At 07:33 p.m. 17/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas. Here Here, I've managed to find myself a laptop which looks as if it could serve reasonably well. Its an HP Omni book 2100 with a 3.2GB hard drive, 32MB of memory, MMX processor running at 233MHZ and integrated floppy and cd rom drives. I've been doing my research and although the machine doesn't have drivers for DOS and Windows 3.1X, a little digging and improvisation should get most of the hardware working well enough. I too had a lot of difficulties getting my Apollo synthesizers working well under a virtual machine environment of DOS and so I've decided to spend what could be a very small amount depending on how the auction goes on this little gem. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Ibrahim, I still have an old Dectalk Express as well as my original copy of Jaws for Dos which I mess around with now and then as well. I principly keep my Dectalk around more for Linux than I do for Dos, but the fact is I'm one of the few withthe the right equipment to use Dos Box. Unfortunately, most people these days don't have the right hardware or the software for Dos support. Anyway, the biggest problem I've encountered is the fact that older hardware synths won't work with a new computer. Every laptop I've purchased in the last six years or so don't have a serial port, and are USB only. I've tried various USB to serial converter cables with no luck. I've heard it can be done, but haven't found that one that works correctly with my aging Dectalk Express. I also have a Dectalk PC, and that one is a lost cause. The Dectalk PC cards are ISA boards and every desktop built in the last 10 years or so are PCI. Therefore all the old internal synths are pretty much dead synths. Cheers! On 10/17/12, Ibrahim Gucukoglu ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com wrote: Hi Thomas. I still mess around with DOS as a hobbies and have the hardware synths and software for it, however I've just had to locate a new laptop as the one i was using died after some 17 years long hard service, not unfortunately under my tender ministrations. I've now managed to find an HP Omnibook machine however whether it'll be too powerful is still something I'm dithering over since whether I can still get the DOS drivers for the various components is a consideration. all the best, Ibrahim. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun. Thanks very much, I'll keep you posted. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:44 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games I wish you luck man. I had such a system but as it stands true units are units with mon screens and are hard to buy. I couldn't get one about 2000 and I'd say its impossible now. At 07:33 p.m. 17/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas. Here Here, I've managed to find myself a laptop which looks as if it could serve reasonably well. Its an HP Omni book 2100 with a 3.2GB hard drive, 32MB of memory, MMX processor running at 233MHZ and integrated floppy and cd rom drives. I've been doing my research and although the machine doesn't have drivers for DOS and Windows 3.1X, a little digging and improvisation should get most of the hardware working well enough. I too had a lot of difficulties getting my Apollo synthesizers working well under a virtual machine environment of DOS and so I've decided to spend what could be a very small amount depending on how the auction goes on this little gem. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Ibrahim, I still have an old Dectalk Express as well as my original copy of Jaws for Dos which I mess around with now and then as well. I principly keep my Dectalk around more for Linux than I do for Dos, but the fact is I'm one of the few withthe the right equipment to use Dos Box. Unfortunately, most people these days don't have the right hardware or the software for Dos support. Anyway, the biggest problem I've encountered is the fact that older hardware synths won't work with a new computer. Every laptop I've purchased in the last six years or so don't have a serial port, and are USB only. I've tried various USB to serial converter cables with no luck. I've heard it can be done, but haven't found that one that works correctly with my aging Dectalk Express. I also have a Dectalk PC, and that one is a lost cause. The Dectalk PC cards are ISA boards and every desktop built in the last 10 years or so are PCI. Therefore all the old internal synths are pretty much dead synths. Cheers! On 10/17/12, Ibrahim Gucukoglu ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com wrote: Hi Thomas. I still mess around with DOS as a hobbies and have the hardware synths and software for it, however I've just had to locate a new laptop as the one i was using died after some 17 years long hard service, not unfortunately under my tender ministrations. I've now managed to find an HP Omnibook machine however whether it'll be too powerful is still something I'm dithering over since whether I can still get the DOS drivers for the various components is a consideration. all the best, Ibrahim. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun. Sounds like you had a lot of bother, but the joys of playing text adventures under my native DOS are just too good an opportunity for me to pass this one up. If I can get the hardware cheap, I can make it a labour of love and rig up the DOS computer I've always cherished. Call me sad but I have many happy memories playing AGT, TADS, ZCode and Alan games, plus of course all those games that were never ported to the programming standards of IF including Humbug and Jacaranda Jim by Graham Cluley, the Hugo trilogy and on. There is a fantastic selection of games at the Interactive Fiction Archive in the PC directory which will only run on DOS and it would be good to relive those happy and less sophisticated days. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:40 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games ibriham Its been a major project since my old toshiba t1850 died. Ofcause all the pulsedata readers needed a 386 else they didn't work. So I decided that I'd just run with stuff on trademe or ebay or something. Trouble was at least locally I couldn't find a good box. I managed to find a loggable unit once but it was heavy and the keyboard was dammaged. I then went for another box but still couldn't find it that worked ok. Then all my synths crapped out the keynote sa needed a battery change and was useless even on power. I never found out how to change the cells so I chucked the synth away. The dectalk functioned for a bit but keynote stuff only supported keynote synths. I hadn't used jaws though knew I could use the free reader or hal free reader for dos. In the end I just decided enough was enough. The only way I think I'd ever go back to dos was if I either 1. got someone to give up a keynote gold external synth and a 386 system or a keynote internal and a steady supply of parts, I would need a keynote gold. or 2. that I found room for a linux box just to play old dos games. I will bee aquiring a single core crappy old mangled dog of a box my grandpa uses which is a begger to use and setup but it will do for the old windows games especially if I go 64 with the laptop. Dos though unless someone has hardware to give or an idea how I could do it as software and in such a way as I could run the hints and other things in windows and also to emulate the pc speakers setups and stuff by making stuff run at the right speed while not effecting anything else I may seriously concider it. Right now though dos is just to hard to obtain. I guess I could have pushed for a new gold running box back in 1995 and probably should have. Ofcause thats ages ago and I'd never have fitted things back then. Back then I still relyed on now mostly dammaged floppies I still have those. Most of my stuff was and performance was gotten via vertual memmory management and optimisations of the system. I also disabled sertain things and hacked their address space. Must say though the more I look at it the more I realise its really not practicle to use dos as a primary os anymore on a system. Academic as it is, I actually have dos 5.0 wp 5.1 dos6.22 and I think dos7 that I used in the old days. I have all my keynote software, and even other stuff I coppied for things. Those days seem like a long time ago now. Just thinking of them brings me to tears some times. At 05:48 p.m. 17/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas. I still mess around with DOS as a hobbies and have the hardware synths and software for it, however I've just had to locate a new laptop as the one i was using died after some 17 years long hard service, not unfortunately under my tender ministrations. I've now managed to find an HP Omnibook machine however whether it'll be too powerful is still something I'm dithering over since whether I can still get the DOS drivers for the various components is a consideration. all the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Shaun, Well, it wasn't that the Dectalk etc requires more than one set of drivers to initialize them, but the drivers were separate from the Dos screen reader itself. You got a floppy disc with your unit which you installed to your Dos PC and then to initialize the synth you ran a batch file like c:\dtexp\dtexp.bat to initialize the Dectalk Express. The Dectalk PC and various other hardware synths had a similar procedure for initializing the synth before using it with your screen reader. Once that was done you could do something like c:\Jaws\jaws to run Jaws for Dos to begin speaking. In any case that is all pretty academic now. Very few people actually own hardware synths and most of the screen readers for Dos are closed source and aren't suitable for an open source project like Dos Box. So I think if we want speech in Dos Box someone
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Would be nice if there was a way to emulate that synth audio to another sound card instead of using an actual synth, but. Hey. I'm living a dream I know -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Shaun, Well, if you are willing to be flexible its not difficult to rig up a working Dos system. The easiest way would be to run it as a virtual machine under VMWare. GW Micro still sells Dectalk external synths and there are probably people out there willing to sell an older external synth for cheaper than that. Jaws for Dos is now freeware and last I heard is available somewhere on the Freedom Scientific site. So right there you have the makings of a basic Dos virtual machine. Install MS Dos 6.22 into VMWare Player, install your synth drivers, install Jaws and you'll have a working Dos system. :D On 10/17/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: ibriham Its been a major project since my old toshiba t1850 died. Ofcause all the pulsedata readers needed a 386 else they didn't work. So I decided that I'd just run with stuff on trademe or ebay or something. Trouble was at least locally I couldn't find a good box. I managed to find a loggable unit once but it was heavy and the keyboard was dammaged. I then went for another box but still couldn't find it that worked ok. Then all my synths crapped out the keynote sa needed a battery change and was useless even on power. I never found out how to change the cells so I chucked the synth away. The dectalk functioned for a bit but keynote stuff only supported keynote synths. I hadn't used jaws though knew I could use the free reader or hal free reader for dos. In the end I just decided enough was enough. The only way I think I'd ever go back to dos was if I either 1. got someone to give up a keynote gold external synth and a 386 system or a keynote internal and a steady supply of parts, I would need a keynote gold. or 2. that I found room for a linux box just to play old dos games. I will bee aquiring a single core crappy old mangled dog of a box my grandpa uses which is a begger to use and setup but it will do for the old windows games especially if I go 64 with the laptop. Dos though unless someone has hardware to give or an idea how I could do it as software and in such a way as I could run the hints and other things in windows and also to emulate the pc speakers setups and stuff by making stuff run at the right speed while not effecting anything else I may seriously concider it. Right now though dos is just to hard to obtain. I guess I could have pushed for a new gold running box back in 1995 and probably should have. Ofcause thats ages ago and I'd never have fitted things back then. Back then I still relyed on now mostly dammaged floppies I still have those. Most of my stuff was and performance was gotten via vertual memmory management and optimisations of the system. I also disabled sertain things and hacked their address space. Must say though the more I look at it the more I realise its really not practicle to use dos as a primary os anymore on a system. Academic as it is, I actually have dos 5.0 wp 5.1 dos6.22 and I think dos7 that I used in the old days. I have all my keynote software, and even other stuff I coppied for things. Those days seem like a long time ago now. Just thinking of them brings me to tears some times. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I aggree. the fact the keynote gold needed a 386 was the issue I can probably get a single core unit for cheap. In fact I know I can get one for nothing. However I don't have synth hardware. My plan is to eventually buy one of the usb synths but I think my days of pure dos are over. I tried for about 2 years. I have given up now. At 09:11 p.m. 17/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Shaun. Sounds like you had a lot of bother, but the joys of playing text adventures under my native DOS are just too good an opportunity for me to pass this one up. If I can get the hardware cheap, I can make it a labour of love and rig up the DOS computer I've always cherished. Call me sad but I have many happy memories playing AGT, TADS, ZCode and Alan games, plus of course all those games that were never ported to the programming standards of IF including Humbug and Jacaranda Jim by Graham Cluley, the Hugo trilogy and on. There is a fantastic selection of games at the Interactive Fiction Archive in the PC directory which will only run on DOS and it would be good to relive those happy and less sophisticated days. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:40 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games ibriham Its been a major project since my old toshiba t1850 died. Ofcause all the pulsedata readers needed a 386 else they didn't work. So I decided that I'd just run with stuff on trademe or ebay or something. Trouble was at least locally I couldn't find a good box. I managed to find a loggable unit once but it was heavy and the keyboard was dammaged. I then went for another box but still couldn't find it that worked ok. Then all my synths crapped out the keynote sa needed a battery change and was useless even on power. I never found out how to change the cells so I chucked the synth away. The dectalk functioned for a bit but keynote stuff only supported keynote synths. I hadn't used jaws though knew I could use the free reader or hal free reader for dos. In the end I just decided enough was enough. The only way I think I'd ever go back to dos was if I either 1. got someone to give up a keynote gold external synth and a 386 system or a keynote internal and a steady supply of parts, I would need a keynote gold. or 2. that I found room for a linux box just to play old dos games. I will bee aquiring a single core crappy old mangled dog of a box my grandpa uses which is a begger to use and setup but it will do for the old windows games especially if I go 64 with the laptop. Dos though unless someone has hardware to give or an idea how I could do it as software and in such a way as I could run the hints and other things in windows and also to emulate the pc speakers setups and stuff by making stuff run at the right speed while not effecting anything else I may seriously concider it. Right now though dos is just to hard to obtain. I guess I could have pushed for a new gold running box back in 1995 and probably should have. Ofcause thats ages ago and I'd never have fitted things back then. Back then I still relyed on now mostly dammaged floppies I still have those. Most of my stuff was and performance was gotten via vertual memmory management and optimisations of the system. I also disabled sertain things and hacked their address space. Must say though the more I look at it the more I realise its really not practicle to use dos as a primary os anymore on a system. Academic as it is, I actually have dos 5.0 wp 5.1 dos6.22 and I think dos7 that I used in the old days. I have all my keynote software, and even other stuff I coppied for things. Those days seem like a long time ago now. Just thinking of them brings me to tears some times. At 05:48 p.m. 17/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Thomas. I still mess around with DOS as a hobbies and have the hardware synths and software for it, however I've just had to locate a new laptop as the one i was using died after some 17 years long hard service, not unfortunately under my tender ministrations. I've now managed to find an HP Omnibook machine however whether it'll be too powerful is still something I'm dithering over since whether I can still get the DOS drivers for the various components is a consideration. all the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Shaun, Well, it wasn't that the Dectalk etc requires more than one set of drivers to initialize them, but the drivers were separate from the Dos screen reader itself. You got a floppy disc with your unit which you installed to your Dos PC and then to initialize the synth you ran a batch file like c:\dtexp\dtexp.bat to initialize the Dectalk Express. The Dectalk PC and various other hardware synths had a similar procedure for initializing the synth before using
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hmmm tom, I know all this but I don't have a floppy drive anymore. most of the disks I had were dammaged though I have a lot of stuff round with me that are backed up. I have my origional keynote disks which as far as I know are ok. hardware wise I don't have a gold synth and even if I got one if I don't know how to change the battery pack then there is a problem. At 04:42 p.m. 17/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, if you are willing to be flexible its not difficult to rig up a working Dos system. The easiest way would be to run it as a virtual machine under VMWare. GW Micro still sells Dectalk external synths and there are probably people out there willing to sell an older external synth for cheaper than that. Jaws for Dos is now freeware and last I heard is available somewhere on the Freedom Scientific site. So right there you have the makings of a basic Dos virtual machine. Install MS Dos 6.22 into VMWare Player, install your synth drivers, install Jaws and you'll have a working Dos system. :D On 10/17/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: ibriham Its been a major project since my old toshiba t1850 died. Ofcause all the pulsedata readers needed a 386 else they didn't work. So I decided that I'd just run with stuff on trademe or ebay or something. Trouble was at least locally I couldn't find a good box. I managed to find a loggable unit once but it was heavy and the keyboard was dammaged. I then went for another box but still couldn't find it that worked ok. Then all my synths crapped out the keynote sa needed a battery change and was useless even on power. I never found out how to change the cells so I chucked the synth away. The dectalk functioned for a bit but keynote stuff only supported keynote synths. I hadn't used jaws though knew I could use the free reader or hal free reader for dos. In the end I just decided enough was enough. The only way I think I'd ever go back to dos was if I either 1. got someone to give up a keynote gold external synth and a 386 system or a keynote internal and a steady supply of parts, I would need a keynote gold. or 2. that I found room for a linux box just to play old dos games. I will bee aquiring a single core crappy old mangled dog of a box my grandpa uses which is a begger to use and setup but it will do for the old windows games especially if I go 64 with the laptop. Dos though unless someone has hardware to give or an idea how I could do it as software and in such a way as I could run the hints and other things in windows and also to emulate the pc speakers setups and stuff by making stuff run at the right speed while not effecting anything else I may seriously concider it. Right now though dos is just to hard to obtain. I guess I could have pushed for a new gold running box back in 1995 and probably should have. Ofcause thats ages ago and I'd never have fitted things back then. Back then I still relyed on now mostly dammaged floppies I still have those. Most of my stuff was and performance was gotten via vertual memmory management and optimisations of the system. I also disabled sertain things and hacked their address space. Must say though the more I look at it the more I realise its really not practicle to use dos as a primary os anymore on a system. Academic as it is, I actually have dos 5.0 wp 5.1 dos6.22 and I think dos7 that I used in the old days. I have all my keynote software, and even other stuff I coppied for things. Those days seem like a long time ago now. Just thinking of them brings me to tears some times. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, I saw on the Eamon Deluxe Web site that there's a version for Windows that includes Vista, but is that for a 32 bit version? That's what I have here on my laptop, though I'm not sure what a DOS box is, and I'm guessing there isn't one on this system. I emailed Frank a couple of days ago, but I haven't heard back from him yet, so I'm hoping my message got through to him. I'm hoping the program will work, because I remember playing the old Eamon games at a friend's house when I was a kid, though I didn't get much experience with them. She lived kind of far from me, so I rarely got to go and visit, so it would be nice to play the games for as long as I'd want, and not having to worry about quitting to go home! *smile* Jessica At 05:30 PM 10/16/2012, you wrote: Hi Ron, The Eamon games are for the PC. However, as Dos Box isn't accessible you need a 16-bit compatible operating system such as Windows XP as newer 64-bit versions of Windows no longer support 16-bit binaries. On 10/16/12, Ron hopkins ard...@samobile.net wrote: Hello are these games for the pc or eye phone? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5335 - Release Date: 10/16/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi jessica. I'm not sure about 32 bit vista, though i believe there are workarounds to run older 16 bit applications on the platform. to explain about dosbox, dosbox is an emulator, that is it essentially sets up an old dos system on your computer inside your usual operating system. this is fine for sighted users, however the problem for people using screen readers is that the text inside that emulated dos environment is not windows text that uses the windows graphic toolkit, so therefore it's not readable by a screen reader. frank is looking for a way to make dosbox output readable text, but hasn't found one as yet unfortunately, however I think unlike with 64 bit windows 7 vista might be workable or have a decent work around. I suggest downloading the stand alone eamon deluxe games and giving them a try. as to frank and contact, well he is a busy fellow, and I think several people have mailed him recently. Eamon deluxe is extremely good however, sinse not only is it the old eamon games, but many have been enhanced by frank or had new features added. for instance, as I understand it, in the original text version of the main hall you could only buy buy bog standard 1 d8 weapons from marco, learn spells, and bank your money, thus making your loot pretty useless, and your character stats fairly unalterable. Other options were around in the raphic main hall but even on an old apple Ii, that wouldn't be accessible. frank has however in vi compatibility mode created a fully text version of all the extra services, so with all that gold you earn adventuring you can buy much bbetter weapons, pay to train your character skills or even buy stat upgrades at a efty price. This means completing cash slash style dungeons is far more worth doing as it trains your character up for harder things, which is a great addition to the game, though frank has also includedd a character editer to create and preset your own character stats and several pre installed characters if you just want to play the adventures and aren't interested in building your character up from scratch, though to me, I love seeing my character get stronger over time and thinking that the ggold wil actually help me improve, so I have only used the character editer for purpose of creating strong enough chars to beta test tougher adventures. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi list I dont know if i missed it but where can i download this from? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2012, at 6:26 PM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi jessica. I'm not sure about 32 bit vista, though i believe there are workarounds to run older 16 bit applications on the platform. to explain about dosbox, dosbox is an emulator, that is it essentially sets up an old dos system on your computer inside your usual operating system. this is fine for sighted users, however the problem for people using screen readers is that the text inside that emulated dos environment is not windows text that uses the windows graphic toolkit, so therefore it's not readable by a screen reader. frank is looking for a way to make dosbox output readable text, but hasn't found one as yet unfortunately, however I think unlike with 64 bit windows 7 vista might be workable or have a decent work around. I suggest downloading the stand alone eamon deluxe games and giving them a try. as to frank and contact, well he is a busy fellow, and I think several people have mailed him recently. Eamon deluxe is extremely good however, sinse not only is it the old eamon games, but many have been enhanced by frank or had new features added. for instance, as I understand it, in the original text version of the main hall you could only buy buy bog standard 1 d8 weapons from marco, learn spells, and bank your money, thus making your loot pretty useless, and your character stats fairly unalterable. Other options were around in the raphic main hall but even on an old apple Ii, that wouldn't be accessible. frank has however in vi compatibility mode created a fully text version of all the extra services, so with all that gold you earn adventuring you can buy much bbetter weapons, pay to train your character skills or even buy stat upgrades at a efty price. This means completing cash slash style dungeons is far more worth doing as it trains your character up for harder things, which is a great addition to the game, though frank has also includedd a character editer to create and preset your own character stats and several pre installed characters if you just want to play the adventures and aren't interested in building your character up from scratch, though to me, I love seeing my character get stronger over time and thinking that the ggold wil actually help me improve, so I have only used the character editer for purpose of creating strong enough chars to beta test tougher adventures. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jessica, Dos Box is a MS Dos emulator for Windows, Mac, and Linux that allows people to run Dos applications on newer versions of Windows as well as Mac OS and Linux. The problem with Dos Box is that it is totally inaccessible unless you happen to own an old hardware synth and a Dos screen reader like ASAP, Jaws for Dos, Vocal-Eyes, etc. In any case Eamon Delux should run on the 32-bit version of Vista because it still has 16-bit binary compatibility support. Its just 64-bit versions of Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 that have 16-bit binary support removed for technical reasons. :D On 10/16/12, MissWings misswi...@lorettotel.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I saw on the Eamon Deluxe Web site that there's a version for Windows that includes Vista, but is that for a 32 bit version? That's what I have here on my laptop, though I'm not sure what a DOS box is, and I'm guessing there isn't one on this system. I emailed Frank a couple of days ago, but I haven't heard back from him yet, so I'm hoping my message got through to him. I'm hoping the program will work, because I remember playing the old Eamon games at a friend's house when I was a kid, though I didn't get much experience with them. She lived kind of far from me, so I rarely got to go and visit, so it would be nice to play the games for as long as I'd want, and not having to worry about quitting to go home! *smile* Jessica --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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the full version is in testing. www.eamonag.org is the site. At 06:51 p.m. 16/10/2012 -0500, you wrote: Hi list I dont know if i missed it but where can i download this from? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2012, at 6:26 PM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi jessica. I'm not sure about 32 bit vista, though i believe there are workarounds to run older 16 bit applications on the platform. to explain about dosbox, dosbox is an emulator, that is it essentially sets up an old dos system on your computer inside your usual operating system. this is fine for sighted users, however the problem for people using screen readers is that the text inside that emulated dos environment is not windows text that uses the windows graphic toolkit, so therefore it's not readable by a screen reader. frank is looking for a way to make dosbox output readable text, but hasn't found one as yet unfortunately, however I think unlike with 64 bit windows 7 vista might be workable or have a decent work around. I suggest downloading the stand alone eamon deluxe games and giving them a try. as to frank and contact, well he is a busy fellow, and I think several people have mailed him recently. Eamon deluxe is extremely good however, sinse not only is it the old eamon games, but many have been enhanced by frank or had new features added. for instance, as I understand it, in the original text version of the main hall you could only buy buy bog standard 1 d8 weapons from marco, learn spells, and bank your money, thus making your loot pretty useless, and your character stats fairly unalterable. Other options were around in the raphic main hall but even on an old apple Ii, that wouldn't be accessible. frank has however in vi compatibility mode created a fully text version of all the extra services, so with all that gold you earn adventuring you can buy much bbetter weapons, pay to train your character skills or even buy stat upgrades at a efty price. This means completing cash slash style dungeons is far more worth doing as it trains your character up for harder things, which is a great addition to the game, though frank has also includedd a character editer to create and preset your own character stats and several pre installed characters if you just want to play the adventures and aren't interested in building your character up from scratch, though to me, I love seeing my character get stronger over time and thinking that the ggold wil actually help me improve, so I have only used the character editer for purpose of creating strong enough chars to beta test tougher adventures. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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not that its worth much, but I was talking to morrice slone one of the managers of humanware group, formally pulse data internation inc about that vary thing. Without the synth its useless and they don't make them anymore. However due to this and the fact that that they have sifted to windows ce and other junk, old versions of the keysoft 1x and mastertouch 2 and 1 are technical freeware. You can't get them from humanware though. I assume that you could distribute them but without the synthyou couldn't run them. keysoft 2 has copy protection and you would have to crack that but thats also technically freeware now pc development has stopped. All of that is useless now they stopped making synths I guess keeping those things copywrited just made no sence. Was there ever an dos screenreader that had source code or a way someone could contact someone with that? the easiest thing would to add espeak as a synth. would even be better if there was a blind friendly version of dosbox with the kernal rigged for speach, obviously it would need its own updates, etc, and you would have to use espeak or something but it could be a complete windows kit. At 09:05 p.m. 16/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Jessica, Dos Box is a MS Dos emulator for Windows, Mac, and Linux that allows people to run Dos applications on newer versions of Windows as well as Mac OS and Linux. The problem with Dos Box is that it is totally inaccessible unless you happen to own an old hardware synth and a Dos screen reader like ASAP, Jaws for Dos, Vocal-Eyes, etc. In any case Eamon Delux should run on the 32-bit version of Vista because it still has 16-bit binary compatibility support. Its just 64-bit versions of Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 that have 16-bit binary support removed for technical reasons. :D On 10/16/12, MissWings misswi...@lorettotel.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I saw on the Eamon Deluxe Web site that there's a version for Windows that includes Vista, but is that for a 32 bit version? That's what I have here on my laptop, though I'm not sure what a DOS box is, and I'm guessing there isn't one on this system. I emailed Frank a couple of days ago, but I haven't heard back from him yet, so I'm hoping my message got through to him. I'm hoping the program will work, because I remember playing the old Eamon games at a friend's house when I was a kid, though I didn't get much experience with them. She lived kind of far from me, so I rarely got to go and visit, so it would be nice to play the games for as long as I'd want, and not having to worry about quitting to go home! *smile* Jessica --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. You'd have to discuss that with frank, but bare in mind most of the eamon games are still written in basic, meaning you'd have to affectively rewrite every game from scratch and import all the text, and that is a lot! of text as well as completely rewriting a mechanics system, heck even though frank has probably not ported a quarter of the games to eamon deluxe format yet (though the old beta 4 had more than half finished), that is a huge amount of stuff. Unless there is some magically quick method python could recompile all the existing code, i'm personally not sure if that is a workable solution. also, there is the fact that the dosbox version, inaccessible though it is can! run on any system. I'm not sure about mac accessibility to eamon deluxe, you'd have to ask frank, but certainly you'd only be doing such a convertion really for vi users and I know frank himself has been searching for an alternative (I've tested a couple but unfortunately we've not found one as yet). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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good point. I know tom ferguson is helping frank with the blog and recovering old eamon apple image disks some in bad condition judging from blog posts. These are converted to quick basic. It may be better to help frank with the dosbox system, since frank is sure from descussions with the authors of dosbox that its an output issue. if its only that then wewriting that could be the best bet. Ofcause if you can somehow write the basic text eamon system to your g3d engine go for it. THe basics are the same for all games, some have special things. At 08:05 a.m. 15/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi tom. You'd have to discuss that with frank, but bare in mind most of the eamon games are still written in basic, meaning you'd have to affectively rewrite every game from scratch and import all the text, and that is a lot! of text as well as completely rewriting a mechanics system, heck even though frank has probably not ported a quarter of the games to eamon deluxe format yet (though the old beta 4 had more than half finished), that is a huge amount of stuff. Unless there is some magically quick method python could recompile all the existing code, i'm personally not sure if that is a workable solution. also, there is the fact that the dosbox version, inaccessible though it is can! run on any system. I'm not sure about mac accessibility to eamon deluxe, you'd have to ask frank, but certainly you'd only be doing such a convertion really for vi users and I know frank himself has been searching for an alternative (I've tested a couple but unfortunately we've not found one as yet). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hi Tom. the problem however is that for eamon, you are talking about a huge existing body of work, all with very specific ways of working. The reason frank is using basic is simply one of necessity and compatibility with the older programs. Call it outdated if you like, but essentially it's like saying Well that old black and white film real of casablanka from the 30's is outdated and won't run on modern digital media, lets reshoot the entire film!). If your going to undertake a monumental preservation project, I'd actually suggest writing an accessible dosbox for playing text adventure games would be a much easier project to do, have the same affect, and be usefull in other circumstances, indeed last I heard frank was investigating something like this himself precisely because of the compatibility problem. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. To be honest I disagree on the dosbox issue. Eamon deluxe isn't the only dos game out there, and dosbox is! what people are using. the fixes usually involve graphics not text display, thus sapi would be a workable alternative. it wouldn't have the cross platform uses that is true, but it'd be certainly better than having nothing at all and no method especially given the amount of people who use windows and will continue to do so in the uture who will want to play older 16 bit applications. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, I suppose so. Technically Dos Box is accessible if you have the right hardware and software to do it. For example, someone who still owns an old serial synth like a Dectalk Express and Jaws for Dos can run both in Dos Box just fine. The problem is, of course, that most people no longer own hardware synths, they are extremely expensive to buy, and a lot of computers no longer have serial ports to begin with. So we are looking at a purely software solution. I suppose someone could start by porting ESpeak to Dos, and then writing a simple Dos screen reader for Dos Box. It might not sound all that great, but its probably the only realistic cross-platform solution in order for accessing Dos games via Dos Box. However, I'm still in favor of rewriting Eamon from the ground up. Yes, it would be a huge amount of work, but it would be an improvement over the current version as it would be designed in such a way that it would be accessible out of the box, it would not depend on Dos Box, and I personally feel would be more practical in the life time of that particular product. Cheers! On 10/15/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: hi Tom. the problem however is that for eamon, you are talking about a huge existing body of work, all with very specific ways of working. The reason frank is using basic is simply one of necessity and compatibility with the older programs. Call it outdated if you like, but essentially it's like saying Well that old black and white film real of casablanka from the 30's is outdated and won't run on modern digital media, lets reshoot the entire film!). If your going to undertake a monumental preservation project, I'd actually suggest writing an accessible dosbox for playing text adventure games would be a much easier project to do, have the same affect, and be usefull in other circumstances, indeed last I heard frank was investigating something like this himself precisely because of the compatibility problem. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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what about have nvda handle it. nvda has a controler library which needs to be put into that version to make it speak. then you have a choice of a frontend, ie something uses the dosbox engine and we have a shell over that. At 12:00 p.m. 15/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, here is the problem with that idea. While in theory I could take the source code for Dos Box and add Sapi support that would only work for Windows users. I'd have to go back and repeat the process for Mac and Linux which have completely different TTS output systems which would be quite a bit of work in of itself. Essentially, I'd be writing a version of Dos Box with a built-in screen reader and that's no simple matter as such a fork of Dos Box could quickly become out of date as the Dos Box maintainers upgrade etc. Whoever took on such a project would have to continually merge the modified version of Dos Box with the new stable versions of Dos Box to stay up to date unless the official maintainers were willing to include the changes into Dos Box official versions. The other alternative is to write a Dos screen reader with a TTS engine that runs under Dos. Its doable, but it would be a lot of work for little gain. Cheers! On 10/15/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: good point. I know tom ferguson is helping frank with the blog and recovering old eamon apple image disks some in bad condition judging from blog posts. These are converted to quick basic. It may be better to help frank with the dosbox system, since frank is sure from descussions with the authors of dosbox that its an output issue. if its only that then wewriting that could be the best bet. Ofcause if you can somehow write the basic text eamon system to your g3d engine go for it. THe basics are the same for all games, some have special things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well I'd actually like dosbox to run dos programs there are just some games I like nvda or whatever to read as text as they were used to do. At 06:24 p.m. 15/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: hi Tom. the problem however is that for eamon, you are talking about a huge existing body of work, all with very specific ways of working. The reason frank is using basic is simply one of necessity and compatibility with the older programs. Call it outdated if you like, but essentially it's like saying Well that old black and white film real of casablanka from the 30's is outdated and won't run on modern digital media, lets reshoot the entire film!). If your going to undertake a monumental preservation project, I'd actually suggest writing an accessible dosbox for playing text adventure games would be a much easier project to do, have the same affect, and be usefull in other circumstances, indeed last I heard frank was investigating something like this himself precisely because of the compatibility problem. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
well dark it is aparently the output and how output is converted to text by the dosbox system. so if the way could be converted to a standard command prompt like in standard dos with maybe the abilities of a windows console application with the abilities of say windows command prompt then we could use it that way. However if we really decide to go that way then we may just as well convert eamon to an audio game where you walk round with the arrow keys and hit space on items to kill them and muck round. that would be crap but oh well. Frank said he may invest time in doing some audio eamon or something after he is done with the current project. At 06:27 p.m. 15/10/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Tom. To be honest I disagree on the dosbox issue. Eamon deluxe isn't the only dos game out there, and dosbox is! what people are using. the fixes usually involve graphics not text display, thus sapi would be a workable alternative. it wouldn't have the cross platform uses that is true, but it'd be certainly better than having nothing at all and no method especially given the amount of people who use windows and will continue to do so in the uture who will want to play older 16 bit applications. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well the game has sighted and blind modes right now. but yeah an eamon port would be good I guess. At 02:49 p.m. 15/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Dark, I suppose so. Technically Dos Box is accessible if you have the right hardware and software to do it. For example, someone who still owns an old serial synth like a Dectalk Express and Jaws for Dos can run both in Dos Box just fine. The problem is, of course, that most people no longer own hardware synths, they are extremely expensive to buy, and a lot of computers no longer have serial ports to begin with. So we are looking at a purely software solution. I suppose someone could start by porting ESpeak to Dos, and then writing a simple Dos screen reader for Dos Box. It might not sound all that great, but its probably the only realistic cross-platform solution in order for accessing Dos games via Dos Box. However, I'm still in favor of rewriting Eamon from the ground up. Yes, it would be a huge amount of work, but it would be an improvement over the current version as it would be designed in such a way that it would be accessible out of the box, it would not depend on Dos Box, and I personally feel would be more practical in the life time of that particular product. Cheers! On 10/15/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: hi Tom. the problem however is that for eamon, you are talking about a huge existing body of work, all with very specific ways of working. The reason frank is using basic is simply one of necessity and compatibility with the older programs. Call it outdated if you like, but essentially it's like saying Well that old black and white film real of casablanka from the 30's is outdated and won't run on modern digital media, lets reshoot the entire film!). If your going to undertake a monumental preservation project, I'd actually suggest writing an accessible dosbox for playing text adventure games would be a much easier project to do, have the same affect, and be usefull in other circumstances, indeed last I heard frank was investigating something like this himself precisely because of the compatibility problem. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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may be not, espeak in any rate is opensource, and it is a dll for nvda it probably shouldn't take much to just use the dll in that reader, or even compile it as a command line app and I think it could be that way. and as I said nvda reads standard dos windows. probably not well but it does do this. if you then could make an nvda addon for dosbox and we just load it in then no issue. At 03:02 p.m. 15/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: HI Dark, I realize that. Although, whatever solution we come up with should be available to everyone. Let's not forget that there are more and more VI users heading over to Mac and/or Linux as well so if we are going to make Dos Box accessible it has to be a cross-platform solution or none at all. I know Windows users are likely to agree with you that making a version for Windows only is alright simply because cross-platform support doesn't effect them one way or the other. To use your own quote some access is better than no access and that is exactly what is the problem with a Windows only solution. If it is for Windows then we are right back to running Windows XP in a virtual machine which is the very thing we are trying to avoid here. :D The only way to resolve this issue is to write a Dos compatible software synth, and then a free Dos screen reader which will run in Dos Box. Since ESpeak and Festival are really our only choices in terms of open source synths someone would have to port one of them to Dos Box. Then it would require some work writing a Dos screen reader which I'm not really sure how to do my self. I'd have to look into it, but I'm pretty sure it is going to be a pretty big under taking. Cheers! On 10/15/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. To be honest I disagree on the dosbox issue. Eamon deluxe isn't the only dos game out there, and dosbox is! what people are using. the fixes usually involve graphics not text display, thus sapi would be a workable alternative. it wouldn't have the cross platform uses that is true, but it'd be certainly better than having nothing at all and no method especially given the amount of people who use windows and will continue to do so in the uture who will want to play older 16 bit applications. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi list W here nay i get this game please? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, That's definitely not practical for our needs. For one thing if you wrap NVDA using the NVDA controller client library then Dos Box will only work with NVDA. That excludes Jaws users, Window-Eyes users, Supernova users, etc. NVDA is free and open source, but that is beside the point. You are making everyone use NVDA weather they want to or not for Dos Box support. Plus once again you assume, as does every other Windows user, that everyone uses Windows. There isn't just one accessible operating system out there, and if I, or someone else, is going to put the time and effort into making Dos Box accessible the right thing to do is to make it universally accessible for everyone be they Linux, Mac, or Windows users. That can be done, but requires some careful planning. For example, rather than use some proprietary text to speech API like Sapi or Speech Dispatcher, and so on it would be a good idea to link Dos Box to ESpeak, which is cross-platform, and then build screen review commands into Dos Box itself. In short, use a free and open source TTS engine on the back end for speech output, and then build a screen reader into Dos Box itself for reading the screen. That would be cross-platform while avoiding any platform specific dependencies. Cheers! On 10/15/12, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: what about have nvda handle it. nvda has a controler library which needs to be put into that version to make it speak. then you have a choice of a frontend, ie something uses the dosbox engine and we have a shell over that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
You can dowload the 3 stand alone demos at: http://www.eamonag.org/pages/eamondx.htm HTH Keith - Original Message - From: Mark Peveto mpev...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Where do ya get these from? -Original Message- From: Keith Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi, How do you become a tester? I go to this site to download the games and it says you have to be a tester to access this. Thanks, Sharon -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:15 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games You can dowload the 3 stand alone demos at: http://www.eamonag.org/pages/eamondx.htm HTH Keith - Original Message - From: Mark Peveto mpev...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Where do ya get these from? -Original Message- From: Keith Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi, forget my last message I was looking at downloading the deluxe and not the stand alone. Sharon -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:15 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games You can dowload the 3 stand alone demos at: http://www.eamonag.org/pages/eamondx.htm HTH Keith - Original Message - From: Mark Peveto mpev...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Where do ya get these from? -Original Message- From: Keith Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi sharren. Just to clarrify, the full eamon deluxe is a collection of adventures from the old eamon system on the apple Ii computer released mostly in the 1980's and 90's, plus some modern adventures written for eamon deluxe. The advantage of course in the full eamon deluxe which you don't get with the stand alone adventures is that in eamon, you start from the main hall of the guild of free adventurers where you can buy weapons, spells, stat upgrades etc, and go on individual adventures from there. When you get back to the hall with whatever cash you've earned from an adventure, you can obviously buy better stuff and improve your character. This is a very unique thing and quite a lot of fun. Sinse a lot of people back in the 80's didn't bother with this and used pregenerated characters instead (like the test characters who come with the stand alone adventures),frank also includes a character editer where you can tweak your characters stats, give yourself uba weapons or create a super character if you want, though to be honest this to me is a little pointless and I only tend to use the editer for testing the adventures in the beta. If you, or indeed anyone else would like to try the beta version, drop a mail to frank black the developer on eamondel...@gmail.com While the stand alone adventures are okay as an example, runcible cargo is actually pretty amazing, there are of course more in the beta. The eventual plan is to have all! the classic eamon adventures converted to eamon deluxe format, as well as some new ones written just for eamon deluxe, but that will take a while. Still in the 25 or so adventures frank has converted thus far there are some pretty awsome ones. some pretty awfull ones too and some in betwene, but even the mediocre ones tend to be worth playing I find. Hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
I believe there is an email address on the site that you can request to become a beta tester. - Original Message - From: Sharon smac...@embarqmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi, How do you become a tester? I go to this site to download the games and it says you have to be a tester to access this. Thanks, Sharon -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:15 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games You can dowload the 3 stand alone demos at: http://www.eamonag.org/pages/eamondx.htm HTH Keith - Original Message - From: Mark Peveto mpev...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Where do ya get these from? -Original Message- From: Keith Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hey Dark, I became a beta tester a few days ago, and went through the first 7 adventures pretty quickly. But when I try to start the next group of adventures, (#2 on the adventure grouping selection), it tells me that the eamon deluxe will blah blah blah. With the beta testing version, are their only 7 adventures, ending with the one in the house with eddie, charlie brown, and andy? Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi sharren. Just to clarrify, the full eamon deluxe is a collection of adventures from the old eamon system on the apple Ii computer released mostly in the 1980's and 90's, plus some modern adventures written for eamon deluxe. The advantage of course in the full eamon deluxe which you don't get with the stand alone adventures is that in eamon, you start from the main hall of the guild of free adventurers where you can buy weapons, spells, stat upgrades etc, and go on individual adventures from there. When you get back to the hall with whatever cash you've earned from an adventure, you can obviously buy better stuff and improve your character. This is a very unique thing and quite a lot of fun. Sinse a lot of people back in the 80's didn't bother with this and used pregenerated characters instead (like the test characters who come with the stand alone adventures),frank also includes a character editer where you can tweak your characters stats, give yourself uba weapons or create a super character if you want, though to be honest this to me is a little pointless and I only tend to use the editer for testing the adventures in the beta. If you, or indeed anyone else would like to try the beta version, drop a mail to frank black the developer on eamondel...@gmail.com While the stand alone adventures are okay as an example, runcible cargo is actually pretty amazing, there are of course more in the beta. The eventual plan is to have all! the classic eamon adventures converted to eamon deluxe format, as well as some new ones written just for eamon deluxe, but that will take a while. Still in the 25 or so adventures frank has converted thus far there are some pretty awsome ones. some pretty awfull ones too and some in betwene, but even the mediocre ones tend to be worth playing I find. Hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Kieth. the classic adventures are organized into packs. some are complete, some partially complete, and some not (there are over 270 eamon adventures after all). Thus far the eamon deluxe beta contains: volume 1, the beginners adventures (the ones you played obviously intended for beginners) volume 3 the Jim Jacobson adventures deluxe: all of these are done and they make a great set with a continuous story. Volume 5 the Tom zuchowski adventures: only two adventures in this set are complete, the extremely good thror's ring, and the eamon 7 demo adventure (just a little demo of a new revision of eamon that tom wrote at some point in the past). volume 8, the nathan segerlind adventures: a surreal and humerous set withmany specials all of which are complete. Volume 9 the sam ruby adventures: probably the most famous serious fantasy writer of eamon. these range from pretty tgood to utterly awsome! some of the larger ones are yet to be converted but a good few are there, including a couple Sam originally wrote as stand alone adventures for the commercial public domain distribution softdisk, (the first three in the set), which are all pretty good too. Volume 20, journey across the mewet sea: a quirky sea going fantasy adventure for puzzle fans written in 2005, but warning, it's a toughy! volume 21 realm of fantasy, the same surreal game from the stand alone section. volume 22, lost treasures of eamon. these are adventures from unusual sources. Only the first is done, the ice cave which was an adventure from an attempted ms dos port of eamon that is quite obscure. unfortunately the adventure itself is utterly terrible! but it's there. volume 23, a runcible cargo. Written earlier this year, all around exceptional! nough said. volume 24, the stronghold of khar-dur, an adventure written in june of this year, also a really good one. Of course, more are to come in the future. Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Keith ks.steinbac...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hey Dark, I became a beta tester a few days ago, and went through the first 7 adventures pretty quickly. But when I try to start the next group of adventures, (#2 on the adventure grouping selection), it tells me that the eamon deluxe will blah blah blah. With the beta testing version, are their only 7 adventures, ending with the one in the house with eddie, charlie brown, and andy? Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi sharren. Just to clarrify, the full eamon deluxe is a collection of adventures from the old eamon system on the apple Ii computer released mostly in the 1980's and 90's, plus some modern adventures written for eamon deluxe. The advantage of course in the full eamon deluxe which you don't get with the stand alone adventures is that in eamon, you start from the main hall of the guild of free adventurers where you can buy weapons, spells, stat upgrades etc, and go on individual adventures from there. When you get back to the hall with whatever cash you've earned from an adventure, you can obviously buy better stuff and improve your character. This is a very unique thing and quite a lot of fun. Sinse a lot of people back in the 80's didn't bother with this and used pregenerated characters instead (like the test characters who come with the stand alone adventures),frank also includes a character editer where you can tweak your characters stats, give yourself uba weapons or create a super character if you want, though to be honest this to me is a little pointless and I only tend to use the editer for testing the adventures in the beta. If you, or indeed anyone else would like to try the beta version, drop a mail to frank black the developer on eamondel...@gmail.com While the stand alone adventures are okay as an example, runcible cargo is actually pretty amazing, there are of course more in the beta. The eventual plan is to have all! the classic eamon adventures converted to eamon deluxe format, as well as some new ones written just for eamon deluxe, but that will take a while. Still in the 25 or so adventures frank has converted thus far there are some pretty awsome ones. some pretty awfull ones too and some in betwene, but even the mediocre ones tend to be worth playing I find. Hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Thanks dark. If possible, could I email you off list and ask a question about the rumfold adventure, or whatever it's called, (the one that invoves the town of Dodge)? Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi Kieth. the classic adventures are organized into packs. some are complete, some partially complete, and some not (there are over 270 eamon adventures after all). Thus far the eamon deluxe beta contains: volume 1, the beginners adventures (the ones you played obviously intended for beginners) volume 3 the Jim Jacobson adventures deluxe: all of these are done and they make a great set with a continuous story. Volume 5 the Tom zuchowski adventures: only two adventures in this set are complete, the extremely good thror's ring, and the eamon 7 demo adventure (just a little demo of a new revision of eamon that tom wrote at some point in the past). volume 8, the nathan segerlind adventures: a surreal and humerous set withmany specials all of which are complete. Volume 9 the sam ruby adventures: probably the most famous serious fantasy writer of eamon. these range from pretty tgood to utterly awsome! some of the larger ones are yet to be converted but a good few are there, including a couple Sam originally wrote as stand alone adventures for the commercial public domain distribution softdisk, (the first three in the set), which are all pretty good too. Volume 20, journey across the mewet sea: a quirky sea going fantasy adventure for puzzle fans written in 2005, but warning, it's a toughy! volume 21 realm of fantasy, the same surreal game from the stand alone section. volume 22, lost treasures of eamon. these are adventures from unusual sources. Only the first is done, the ice cave which was an adventure from an attempted ms dos port of eamon that is quite obscure. unfortunately the adventure itself is utterly terrible! but it's there. volume 23, a runcible cargo. Written earlier this year, all around exceptional! nough said. volume 24, the stronghold of khar-dur, an adventure written in june of this year, also a really good one. Of course, more are to come in the future. Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Keith ks.steinbac...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hey Dark, I became a beta tester a few days ago, and went through the first 7 adventures pretty quickly. But when I try to start the next group of adventures, (#2 on the adventure grouping selection), it tells me that the eamon deluxe will blah blah blah. With the beta testing version, are their only 7 adventures, ending with the one in the house with eddie, charlie brown, and andy? Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi sharren. Just to clarrify, the full eamon deluxe is a collection of adventures from the old eamon system on the apple Ii computer released mostly in the 1980's and 90's, plus some modern adventures written for eamon deluxe. The advantage of course in the full eamon deluxe which you don't get with the stand alone adventures is that in eamon, you start from the main hall of the guild of free adventurers where you can buy weapons, spells, stat upgrades etc, and go on individual adventures from there. When you get back to the hall with whatever cash you've earned from an adventure, you can obviously buy better stuff and improve your character. This is a very unique thing and quite a lot of fun. Sinse a lot of people back in the 80's didn't bother with this and used pregenerated characters instead (like the test characters who come with the stand alone adventures),frank also includes a character editer where you can tweak your characters stats, give yourself uba weapons or create a super character if you want, though to be honest this to me is a little pointless and I only tend to use the editer for testing the adventures in the beta. If you, or indeed anyone else would like to try the beta version, drop a mail to frank black the developer on eamondel...@gmail.com While the stand alone adventures are okay as an example, runcible cargo is actually pretty amazing, there are of course more in the beta. The eventual plan is to have all! the classic eamon adventures converted to eamon deluxe format, as well as some new ones written just for eamon deluxe, but that will take a while. Still in the 25 or so adventures frank has converted thus far there are some pretty awsome ones. some pretty awfull ones too and some in betwene
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Well kieth. Sinse there is! a stand alone version of runcible cargo, ask it on list if you like, indeed even for the adventures that only exist in the beta I don't think discussing them on list is a problem sinse frank has a pretty open beta policy and will very likely send anyone who wants a copy. I do however wonder what problem exactly your having with runcible cargo? the only problem i had was easily solved by the hints in the hints command, indeed this is one of the strengths of the adventure that nearly everything you need to do is pretty obvious provided you read and examine as many items as you can. Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games - contains spoiler
Hello there, How do I find these games? -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:51 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games - contains spoiler Hi kieth, Remove x from y is how to get stuff from containers, eg, remove letter from safe. The eamon commands are actually very easy to use, it just sounds like you haven't read the appropriate section of the manual. here is a copy and paste of the section commands so as to make life easier: MOVEMENT COMMANDS: North, South, East, West, Up, Down: Go in that direction if possible. NE, NW, SE, SW: These directions will also work in some adventures. Flee: If combat gets too rough, you can attempt to run away. You can FLEE in a given direction if you wish (e.g. FLEE SOUTH). FLEE by itself will send your character scrambling in a random direction. ITEM MANIPULATION COMMANDS: Close: Attempt to close a door or a container. Drink, Eat: Try to drink or eat something. Drop: Drop a carried item. DROP ALL will attempt to drop everything your character is carrying. Examine: Recall the descriptions of items and monsters as well as attempt to reveal hidden things mentioned in various descriptions. Examining monsters will report their health condition, examining drinkable items or food will tell you how many drinks/bites are left. Get: Attempt to pick up an item and add it to your inventory. GET ALL will attempt to pick up every item listed in the current room. Light: Turn on items that are used as light sources so that you can see in dark rooms. If an item is already lit, LIGHT can be used again to extinguish it. If you enter an area which is not dark with a lit torch or lamp, you'll be asked if you wish to extinguish it so as to save fuel. Note that in certain adventures LIGHT may also be used to light something on fire or perform a similar action. Open: Attempt to open doors, containers, etc.. Put: Attempt to put one item either inside (or on top) of another item. Note that you'll need to use something like a sentence structure, eg, put gold bar in bag, or put cup on table. Read: Attempt to read books, signs, or any various item with markings on it. Ready: Attempt to ready a weapon to be used in combat. When you start an adventure with more than one weapon, the most powerful weapon your character is carrying will automatically be readied. Remove: This has two functions, either remove something that your character is wearing or attempt to remove an item that is inside of another item. As with the put command, when removing one item from inside another you'll need to use the word from for instance remove ring from chest. Use: Use items. Many adventures have special items which produce all sorts of interesting effects if your character tries to USE them. Wear: Wear armor, clothing, jewelry, etc.. Note: The WEAR command must be used to equip a Shield as well as armor. INTERACTIVE COMMANDS: Attack: Attack monsters or items. You can always try to ATTACK doors and containers that won't open. If you try to ATTACK a non-enemy, you will be asked to verify your command so that you don't accidentally attack a friend or innocent bystander. Free: Attempt to release a captive. Give: Attempt to give money or items to others. Enter a numeric value for the subject to give away gold pieces (e.g. GIVE 100). Sometimes you can bribe neutral monsters into becoming friends with GIVE 5000. When giving items to monsters, you'll need to use to to show who your giving the item to, eg, give axe to jo. If you give a drinkable/eatable item to someone, they will usually just take a drink/bite and hand it back to you. If you give them a weapon (and they need one), they will READY it. Request: Attempt to request items that are carried or worn by friends. INVENTORY them first to see what they have, remember to use from when requesting, eg, request parchment from Jill. Smile: Just try and be friendly. SMILE will show how everyone in the room feels about your character. Sometimes special reactions will occur. SMILE can also be used as a do-nothing command to pass time in the game if needed. SPELL COMMANDS: Note: These only work if your character knows the particular spell. Blast: Send a magic blast at an enemy as a means of attack. You can also BLAST doors, containers and other items. BLAST will do 2-10 points of damage, ignoring armor and can be very useful if you don't have a weapon or are facing a heavily armored foe. Heal: Heals your character's wounds when used by itself. Can also be used to heal others if a subject name is given. Speed: Doubles your agility for a time. Useful when losing a battle. Power: Unpredictable. POWER has special effects in many adventures. In some it is a very important spell, in others it just makes a loud sound or does some other strange, yet harmless, thing. MISCELLANEOUS COMMANDS: Inventory: Lists all of the items your character is wearing and carrying
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Ooooh thank ya! I'm gonna do some gaming! -Original Message- From: Keith Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:15 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games You can dowload the 3 stand alone demos at: http://www.eamonag.org/pages/eamondx.htm HTH Keith - Original Message - From: Mark Peveto mpev...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Where do ya get these from? -Original Message- From: Keith Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi Dark, Thanks for that. I can't play the stand alones for they aren't compatible with windows 7 64 bit. At least the via and the other exe won't launch properly. Will the deluxe work on win 64 bit? Sharon -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:38 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi sharren. Just to clarrify, the full eamon deluxe is a collection of adventures from the old eamon system on the apple Ii computer released mostly in the 1980's and 90's, plus some modern adventures written for eamon deluxe. The advantage of course in the full eamon deluxe which you don't get with the stand alone adventures is that in eamon, you start from the main hall of the guild of free adventurers where you can buy weapons, spells, stat upgrades etc, and go on individual adventures from there. When you get back to the hall with whatever cash you've earned from an adventure, you can obviously buy better stuff and improve your character. This is a very unique thing and quite a lot of fun. Sinse a lot of people back in the 80's didn't bother with this and used pregenerated characters instead (like the test characters who come with the stand alone adventures),frank also includes a character editer where you can tweak your characters stats, give yourself uba weapons or create a super character if you want, though to be honest this to me is a little pointless and I only tend to use the editer for testing the adventures in the beta. If you, or indeed anyone else would like to try the beta version, drop a mail to frank black the developer on eamondel...@gmail.com While the stand alone adventures are okay as an example, runcible cargo is actually pretty amazing, there are of course more in the beta. The eventual plan is to have all! the classic eamon adventures converted to eamon deluxe format, as well as some new ones written just for eamon deluxe, but that will take a while. Still in the 25 or so adventures frank has converted thus far there are some pretty awsome ones. some pretty awfull ones too and some in betwene, but even the mediocre ones tend to be worth playing I find. Hth. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
The short answer is no. the eamon games were originally written in apple basic and frank has constructed eamon deluxe to use straight out basic which is a 16 bit application, and thanks to lovely microsoft those no longer work on 64 bit machines. this is fine for sighted people sinse frank has compiled a version of eamon deluxe to run with the dosbox emulator, but unfortunately text on dosbox isn't readable by screen readers. rank is trying to find a way around this problem, but nothing has come up thus far (another reason I'm sticking with windows xp). There is however a rather longer solution to play eamon, and indeed many other games, that is to run windows xp through a virtual machine which can indeed be done on 64 bit windows. I'm afraid I don't know ho to do that myself sinse I'm still on xp (thank goodness), but I know people have managed it with eamon and with other games too. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
hmmm well email frank eamondel...@gmail.com and ask. I am not sure if he still adds people or not, release is quite close for the next full test build or is it final? ask and see if he will add you. He probably will he ahasn't really said to me he has enough or what. At 06:58 a.m. 14/10/2012 -0500, you wrote: Hi, How do you become a tester? I go to this site to download the games and it says you have to be a tester to access this. Thanks, Sharon -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:15 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games You can dowload the 3 stand alone demos at: http://www.eamonag.org/pages/eamondx.htm HTH Keith - Original Message - From: Mark Peveto mpev...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Where do ya get these from? -Original Message- From: Keith Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
hmmm I can foreward this thread at frank and see. However the current eamon will stay as qbasic. you should probably email him on this but I can send this anyway if you wishl. At 10:45 p.m. 14/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: HiDark, I've had some thoughts about that. I'm not sure what Frank's thoughts are but I've been thinking of taking Eamon Delux 5 and rewriting it in Python 2.7. There would be a lot of advantages to do that. First, it would fix the 64-bit issue. Second, it could be made to run natively on Windows, Mac, and Linux without a lot of fuss. Basically, any compatible Python interpreter could run the games making Dos Box a non-issue. On 10/14/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: The short answer is no. the eamon games were originally written in apple basic and frank has constructed eamon deluxe to use straight out basic which is a 16 bit application, and thanks to lovely microsoft those no longer work on 64 bit machines. this is fine for sighted people sinse frank has compiled a version of eamon deluxe to run with the dosbox emulator, but unfortunately text on dosbox isn't readable by screen readers. rank is trying to find a way around this problem, but nothing has come up thus far (another reason I'm sticking with windows xp). There is however a rather longer solution to play eamon, and indeed many other games, that is to run windows xp through a virtual machine which can indeed be done on 64 bit windows. I'm afraid I don't know ho to do that myself sinse I'm still on xp (thank goodness), but I know people have managed it with eamon and with other games too. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi sean. I'm afraid I don't know what the heck you mean about encouraged to hack your char You can use the character editer to make yourself an uba weapon and ridiculous stats, but that to be honest makes the hole point of the games meaningless, sinse the interest in eamon is getting loot i adventures and making yourself stronger along the way, at least for me it was. So, there is no encouragement As to the demo adventures being old and crappy, actually you are wrong on both counts when it comes to the stand alone adventures on the edx page. The eamon deluxe demo is based on an adventure which frank black wrote in 1999, but is the revision from last year which has several additions, indeed most adventures in the new version of eamon deluxe have been heavily revised and added to. runcible cargo on the other hand was just bought out earlier this year. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi kieth. Hmmm you can do x weapon or i and get stats, and you can also examine yourself and your chars I think. However the demo adventures are now quite old and crappy, all out of date. the next version is aparently almost done just manuals and a few revisions. A couple days I got the next prebeta snapshot, and loads have been updated. In the full build you can do things like crack your char stats wide open, crack your cash wide open as well as make any weapon as powerfull as you want. actually there is a limit of 50 dice and 50 sides. you can only get 50 k in bank and in hand. Depending on what you want you can learn and go up and up but you are encouraged to hack your char, in fact you are encouraged to cheat your way through. Right now though I don't max my cash unless I need it. At 03:12 p.m. 12/10/2012 -0500, you wrote: Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Where do ya get these from? -Original Message- From: Keith Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games - contains spoiler
. STATUS will give much more information than INVENTORY and will also display special effects in some adventures. Look: Recalls the description of the room that your character is in. That's it. Unlike many Classic Eamon systems, LOOK will not find hidden objects or doors in Eamon Deluxe. Use the EXAMINE command to search for things instead. Say: Make your character say something. Many adventures have magic words that do things when a certain word or phrase is said. SAY VI MODE will toggle VI Mode for the current adventure session (until you QUIT). Also useful for letting off some steam in frustrating adventures. Save: Save a game. Up to 5 positions may be saved in each adventure. If you just type SAVE you will be prompted to select a save slot and optional name to remember it by. Typing SAVE 1, SAVE 2, etc. will save your game in that slot number, using the current description and without any prompts. Save 1 [Name] will save your game in that slot and change the description to whatever you specify (e.g. SAVE 3 In the library). Restore: Restores a previously saved game. RESTORE 1, RESTORE 2, etc. will attempt to load a saved game from the slot specified. Hints: Calls up any available hints or notes for the current adventure. The first hint in every adventures will be a series of helpful tips and suggestions about how to play Eamon Deluxe adventures in general. Quit: Leaves the adventure and returns to the main Eamon Deluxe menu. To return to the adventure, select Continue a saved game from that main menu (even if you didn't actually use the SAVE command). QUIT HALL will exit your character completely out of the adventure and back to the Main Hall. Note that all commands, and indeed the names of items,can be abbreviated to the first one or two letters. For instance directions can be abbreviated as n for north, ne for north east etc. there is no need to type attack dragon a dra will suffice, and to remove paper from a box rem pa fr bo will be enough. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Keith ks.steinbac...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games - contains spoiler SPOILER Hi Dark, in the game you mentioned at the end of the last post, I came across a safe that I can open which contains a letter. But, I have found that the only way I can get things out of containers (cabinets, safes, fridges, etc) is to attack them, thus breaking them. Is there any other way of getting objects and people out of small enclosed spaces without damaging the container? Plus, some containers seem invincible to damange, and I am just left with the you can't get that comment from the computer. I feel like tossing my netbook though the window. Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi kieth. Firstly on weapons. It is true that is a weakness of the system as far as weapons go, you cannot check their stats during an adventure, though usually you can get a pretty good idea of their damage by using them. Also in most adventures descriptions are pretty accurate so something that is described as a standard sword is just that, and you'll usually want to keep everythingaround anyway to sell when you get back to the hall so you find the good weapons then. Also, note that in the actual eamon game, grendel the smith in the village by the main hall sells exceptional quality weapons, that are usually far better than the ones you find on adventures so it's more often than not better to use his. all in all while not seeing weapon stats is a bit of a pest, it's not a major flaw in the system when your playing the full games because of the way the main hall works. As to companions, look amazon or look jo will tell you their basic physical condition, for a more complete readout on hwat their carrying try i amazon or I jo, indeed it's usually a good idea to inventory anyone who becomes your friend sinse in some adventures they can be carrying important objects. to get something from a companion type request, and to give them something type give. This way you can arm unarmed companions or share healing potions. Hth. hope your enjoying the games, especially runcible cargo, I was most impressed with that one. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi kieth. Firstly on weapons. It is true that is a weakness of the system as far as weapons go, you cannot check their stats during an adventure, though usually you can get a pretty good idea of their damage by using them. Also in most adventures descriptions are pretty accurate so something that is described as a standard sword is just that, and you'll usually want to keep everythingaround anyway to sell when you get back to the hall so you find the good weapons then. Also, note that in the actual eamon game, grendel the smith in the village by the main hall sells exceptional quality weapons, that are usually far better than the ones you find on adventures so it's more often than not better to use his. all in all while not seeing weapon stats is a bit of a pest, it's not a major flaw in the system when your playing the full games because of the way the main hall works. As to companions, look amazon or look jo will tell you their basic physical condition, for a more complete readout on hwat their carrying try i amazon or I jo, indeed it's usually a good idea to inventory anyone who becomes your friend sinse in some adventures they can be carrying important objects. to get something from a companion type request, and to give them something type give. This way you can arm unarmed companions or share healing potions. Hth. hope your enjoying the games, especially runcible cargo, I was most impressed with that one. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games
Hi kieth. Hmmm you can do x weapon or i and get stats, and you can also examine yourself and your chars I think. However the demo adventures are now quite old and crappy, all out of date. the next version is aparently almost done just manuals and a few revisions. A couple days I got the next prebeta snapshot, and loads have been updated. In the full build you can do things like crack your char stats wide open, crack your cash wide open as well as make any weapon as powerfull as you want. actually there is a limit of 50 dice and 50 sides. you can only get 50 k in bank and in hand. Depending on what you want you can learn and go up and up but you are encouraged to hack your char, in fact you are encouraged to cheat your way through. Right now though I don't max my cash unless I need it. At 03:12 p.m. 12/10/2012 -0500, you wrote: Hi I was playing the stand alone emon games and have a question. When you are at the main menu, you can view your selected character and see how much damage a particular weapon can do. Is this possible to do when in the actual game, like when you find a new weapon? Or is it pretty much trial and error? Also, when you find a companion, like the amazon, or eddie, is there any way to check their stats, equipment or whatever? Thanks Keith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games - contains spoiler
SPOILER Hi Dark, in the game you mentioned at the end of the last post, I came across a safe that I can open which contains a letter. But, I have found that the only way I can get things out of containers (cabinets, safes, fridges, etc) is to attack them, thus breaking them. Is there any other way of getting objects and people out of small enclosed spaces without damaging the container? Plus, some containers seem invincible to damange, and I am just left with the you can't get that comment from the computer. I feel like tossing my netbook though the window. Thanks Keith - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question regarding emon games Hi kieth. Firstly on weapons. It is true that is a weakness of the system as far as weapons go, you cannot check their stats during an adventure, though usually you can get a pretty good idea of their damage by using them. Also in most adventures descriptions are pretty accurate so something that is described as a standard sword is just that, and you'll usually want to keep everythingaround anyway to sell when you get back to the hall so you find the good weapons then. Also, note that in the actual eamon game, grendel the smith in the village by the main hall sells exceptional quality weapons, that are usually far better than the ones you find on adventures so it's more often than not better to use his. all in all while not seeing weapon stats is a bit of a pest, it's not a major flaw in the system when your playing the full games because of the way the main hall works. As to companions, look amazon or look jo will tell you their basic physical condition, for a more complete readout on hwat their carrying try i amazon or I jo, indeed it's usually a good idea to inventory anyone who becomes your friend sinse in some adventures they can be carrying important objects. to get something from a companion type request, and to give them something type give. This way you can arm unarmed companions or share healing potions. Hth. hope your enjoying the games, especially runcible cargo, I was most impressed with that one. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
