Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-18 Thread Dominic
I think we need to be clearer about who is the audience here. It seems to be directed at the customer, rather than at Wikimedians, but then some of the text is unnecessarily detailed and distracting. We have to assume that most people are not actually reading pages like this for comprehension,

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-18 Thread Pete Forsyth
Update, and a request: The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers. Summary: * Many people agree that there is an important concern about readers who find personal/traumatic content about themselves

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-12 Thread Sarah Stierch
I applied for Commons OTRS today... Sarah Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :) On Sep 12, 2011, at 5:45 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: >> It seems like we have strong consensus that a separate "customer su

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-12 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > It seems like we have strong consensus that a separate "customer support > queue", run by and for women, would be a good idea. I certainly think so! > > Who here is active on OTRS? I'm on it, and on the email list, but I'm not > active there

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-03 Thread Pete Forsyth
It seems like we have strong consensus that a separate "customer support queue", run by and for women, would be a good idea. I certainly think so! Who here is active on OTRS? I'm on it, and on the email list, but I'm not active there. It might be best for somebody float the idea over there, see

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-03 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >>.. >> Hi Fred, if it were an entirely separate address it would work, an >> email address that is only ever read by women volunteers. >> >> Sarah >> > > That is the way we need to go with perhaps a panel of specialized OTRS > volunteers, for thi

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-03 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 03:14, Fred Bauder wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:22, John Vandenberg >>> wrote: As Sarah Stierch points out, our images of sexuality and reproduction are crap, broadly speaking, and our paperwork/processes are self-evidently not good for attracting h

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-03 Thread Sarah
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 03:14, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:22, John Vandenberg wrote: >>> As Sarah Stierch points out, our images of sexuality and reproduction >>> are crap, broadly speaking, and our paperwork/processes are >>> self-evidently not good for attracting high qualit

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-03 Thread Sarah Stierch
Idea: 1. We design a wiki page like a call for artists for selected topics that we notice need quality images. 2. People who have connections to professional photographers (like me..I'm a consultant and I one of my services is strategic plans for private sector artists and studios, including half

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-03 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:22, John Vandenberg wrote: >> As Sarah Stierch points out, our images of sexuality and reproduction >> are crap, broadly speaking, and our paperwork/processes are >> self-evidently not good for attracting high quality photographs.  What >> processes should we put in pla

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread phoebe ayers
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Several women, including on WikiProject Feminism on the English >> Wikipedia, have recently expressed concern about the number of >> photographs of women's body parts that Wikimedia hosts, particularly >> regarding the issue of permission. >> >

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:22 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > > I would like to throw this back in a positive direction. The task of > deleting poor quality photographs (and metadata/provenance/paperwork > is part of quality) is made much easier if we have good quality > photographs of the same topi

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread Sarah
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:22, John Vandenberg wrote: > As Sarah Stierch points out, our images of sexuality and reproduction > are crap, broadly speaking, and our paperwork/processes are > self-evidently not good for attracting high quality photographs.  What > processes should we put in place to

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread John Vandenberg
If someone sees an image of themself which they want removed, they can 1. email OTRS. whether the request is received by a volunteer and/or anonymous person shouldn't matter. The OTRS policies do matter, esp. the privacy policy. For added privacy, they should email oversight-en-wp or the common

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread Sarah
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 21:33, Sarah Stierch wrote: > I also think (after working in the fashion and photography private sector > for almost 10 years before non-profits) that model releases are as important > as OTRS copyright releases when it comes to "sexual" content on Wikipedia. > Whether nude

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread Sarah
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 21:00, Fred Bauder wrote: > The matter is discussed at Commons:Photographs of identifiable people > > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people > > Fred Thanks for the link, Fred. It seems that page deals only with image

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread Sarah Stierch
Sarah, (and a rant, of course) I contacted WMF legal counsel about this, and they responded with the legal stance and related content to at least "child pornography" and Henrietta has put together this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Child_pornography_policy_and_laws- based on that con

Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread Fred Bauder
> Several women, including on WikiProject Feminism on the English > Wikipedia, have recently expressed concern about the number of > photographs of women's body parts that Wikimedia hosts, particularly > regarding the issue of permission. > > It's far from clear in many cases that the women have gi

[Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women

2011-09-02 Thread Sarah
Several women, including on WikiProject Feminism on the English Wikipedia, have recently expressed concern about the number of photographs of women's body parts that Wikimedia hosts, particularly regarding the issue of permission. It's far from clear in many cases that the women have given consent