Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

I'd largely agree, but there are some men who you really can't tell if they are clueless to their bad behavior (which some are) or just pretending to be (which others are), even when you are with them in person. On 5/12/2016 9:51 PM, JJ Marr wrote: We shouldn't conflate "creepy" and

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

We shouldn't conflate "creepy" and "harassment" at all, to be honest. Sure, plenty of things that are creepy are also harassment, but plenty of things that are considered creepy are just poor social skills (laughing inappropriately) and may even be due to health conditions (greasy skin).

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

A known woman discussing any issue in real life anywhere at all may turn into an online harassment issue. Shall I dig up 20 or 30 links to women who've been harassed online by creepy guys because they discussed or disagreed with guys on ANY issue in real life, be it men in bathrooms, or

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Neotarf wrote: > I'm not quite sure how to answer JJ Marr and Nathan, but if you watched > the Berkman panel I posted about earlier [1], the conclusion of the WMF > harassment survey is that the effect of harassment on women in Wikipedia, > is

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

I'm not quite sure how to answer JJ Marr and Nathan, but if you watched the Berkman panel I posted about earlier [1], the conclusion of the WMF harassment survey is that the effect of harassment on women in Wikipedia, is that they leave. And not to beat around the bush, for those who are not

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

Knowing what these traits are, even if they are uncontrollable, may also be useful for educating others about them. If someone is creeped out by something and actually knows why it's creeping them out, it may be possible for them to realise that, oh, it's just blah, and not actually a threat.

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

Other highlights: >From the list of "creepy" behavior >Laughing at inappropriate times >Talking too much about a topic >Displaying too much or too little emotion >Smiling peculiarly >Having excessively pale skin >Having bags under their eyes and then >Here’s the thing: not being creepy

Re: [Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

It boils down to "people with aberrant behavior or bearing produce anxiety in women." This is drawn from a Facebook survey. It's interesting, even if the "study" doesn't really produce any more knowledge than most other Facebook surveys. The link to the problem of addressing Wikipedia's gendergap

[Gendergap] Defining harassment: the first empirical investigation into the nature of creepiness

A study published in the journal New Ideas in Psychology, unfortunately behind a paywall, reviewed by Dr. NerdLove. [1] Some highlights: *"*So we’re not allowed to give women compliments? – *No, telling a woman how sexy she is isn’t a compliment, especially when you don’t have that level of