Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] accumulo graduation

2012-03-03 Thread Benson Margulies
) 0 +0 votes 0 -1  votes IPMC: +1 Alan Cabrera +1 Benson Margulies Committer/PPMC: +1 Adam Fuchs +1 David Medinets +1 Chris Waring +1 Eric Newton +1 John Vines +1 Keith Turner Community: +1 Michael Van Geertruy - Original Message - From: Billie J Rinaldi billie.j.rina

Re: [DISCUSS] - Packages renaming and backward compatibility (was: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator)

2012-02-29 Thread Benson Margulies
-1 here. On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: strictly -1 for forcing a name change on graduation. That would just cause additional overhead without any benefit. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com To:

Re: [DISCUSS] - Packages renaming and backward compatibility (was: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator)

2012-02-29 Thread Benson Margulies
I don't think it's a good question. I think that it is typical of the sort of hypothetical question which leads to heaps of scorn from Sam. I can imagine circumstances where it would make some sense, and some cases where it would be evidence of a serious problem in a TLP. The Foundation is

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator

2012-02-29 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Niall On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Arvind Prabhakar arv...@apache.org wrote: This is a call for vote to graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator. Sqoop entered Incubator in June of 2011. Since

Re: [VOTE] Apache Isis release 0.2.0-incubating (RC3)

2012-02-18 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Dan Haywood d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote: Isis is in the process of voting on 0.2.0-incubating (RC3). The thread below has the details, along with current votes cast. We still need one more +1 from a member before we can release. I'd like to

Re: [VOTE] Release jena-tdb-0.9.0-incubating (RC2)

2012-02-12 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: The Jena PPMC has voted to release  Apache Jena TDB 0.9.0-incubating and we would now be grateful if members of IPMC would review and vote for this release. == Overview This will be the second incubator release for

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Benson Margulies
! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) +1 (binding) From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-02-08 Thread Benson Margulies
I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and

Re: [VOTE][PROPOSAL] Syncope join the Incubator

2012-02-07 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (binding) On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: +1 (binding) LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [VOTE] Retire HISE from incubation

2012-02-07 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: +1, retire (I don't have a better opinion to throw at the problem than the owning community :) Martijn On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As discussed

Re: PMC chair vs. reorg proposals

2012-02-06 Thread Benson Margulies
Bill characterized this situation as writing a proposal to the board to to blow up and replace the incubator, and that has colored my writing. Bill has also been the most vehement opponent of one of the possible evolutionary strategies: to elect people to the PMC on the strength (only) of their

Re: PMC chair vs. reorg proposals

2012-02-05 Thread Benson Margulies
 Right now they are on very polar ends of the whole discussion, which suggests neither until the incubator and board choose a path forward. I don't find the formulation 'polar opposites' helpful, let alone prior remarks about whether the two of us can agree about something. It's not up to us

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
I've added http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AlternativeIncubatorAnalysis to the wiki, offering a more or less concrete alternative that is more evolutionary and less revolutionary. Get out your darts, and feel free to edit. - To

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
document, not just from you, and b) try to remove as many names as possible.  It also might be helpful if the proposal was worded as if Chris' didn't exist.  Just document what the process would be and how it solves the problems we have now. Ralph On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Benson Margulies

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: I've added http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AlternativeIncubatorAnalysis to the wiki, offering a more or less concrete alternative that is more evolutionary and less revolutionary. Get out your darts, and feel free to edit

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
Ralph, I'm inclined to hair up the chart to distinguish 'podlings' from 'probationary projects'. Otherwise, fine. I'll do that. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: I see that Ralph already removed

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Scott Wilson wrote: On 3 Feb 2012, at 23:17, Benson Margulies wrote: A number of people are asking for the incubator PMC to take a deep breath and allow room to digest and contemplate

Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)

2012-02-04 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Ralph, I'm inclined to hair up the chart to distinguish 'podlings' from 'probationary projects'. Otherwise, fine. I'll do that. I see from your latest updates

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Benson Margulies
It seems to me that the proposed new scheme will take quite a bit of setting up. There is some writing to do. More to the point, if I were the board, I would want to pilot the new scheme for some time before tearing down the existing incubator. All of this looks to me like more than 2 months. A

Re: Time to vote the chair?

2012-02-03 Thread Benson Margulies
At this point I am going to frankly campaign for myself. I am willing to be the chair of the incubator as we know it, and strive to incrementally improve it. I have no objection to that process including a deliberate consideration of Chris' proposal for a radical restructuring. Given some time,

Re: TL;DR

2012-02-03 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 3 February 2012 23:17, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: One way to make the load lighter is to try to make one decision at a time. +1 Entirely selfishly, I suggest looking at the chair election

Re: Time to vote the chair?

2012-02-02 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm going to treat this like any other nomination process and provide a brief statement. Volunteeritis: I'm active on the CXF and Maven PMCs, and I am a bit of an uncle at Mahout and WS, and I've agreed to stick around as a PMC member on EmpireDB in transition from podling to TLP. My mentor

Re: Time to vote the chair?

2012-02-02 Thread Benson Margulies
I have a lateral thought. Assuming for the moment that Chris has accepted or will accept a nomination, why not recommend *both* of us to the board as co-chairs? The IPMC is special. New members pop up all the time and need to be fed to the board; projects need karmic assistance, etc. Having two

Re: Time to vote the chair?

2012-02-02 Thread Benson Margulies
to make it my business to find out the rules promptly. As for what I think, I've written it. From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Time to vote the chair? I have

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-02-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I apologize if my choice of words here engendered a belief that I was trying to hold mentors to a new standard. The IPMC has been discussing the problem of mentors who don't do their job. I'm trying to approach this problem from the front end, instead of waiting for it to be a problem later on.

Re: Mentor attrition

2012-02-01 Thread Benson Margulies
There has been a lot of heated email sent on the incubator lists in the last few months. It was my mistake not to realize that my email asking about mentor commitment and experience would be read in the light of that context. I don't claim to know why the mentor-less podlings lost their mentors,

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-02-01 Thread Benson Margulies
The word 'justification' occurred nowhere in my email. Nonetheless, I already apologized for my poor choice of tone. I could see someone reading my query as calling for a 'resume', but I prefer to think of it as an 'introduction.' I will continue to ask proposed podlings to draw a picture of

Re: Incubator, or Incubation?

2012-02-01 Thread Benson Margulies
At the risk of seeming trite, +1, but ... This lengthy proposal shifts the supervision responsibility of podlings from an big IPMC to a set of mentors approved by the board at the advice of a small iPMC. In other words, a project is born when three? foundation members, or others deemed

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread Benson Margulies
don't we also have jukka? On Feb 1, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson. I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Benson Margulies
Dear Proposed Syncope mentors: Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience as mentors, if any, and your willing to remain in place as active mentors for at least a year. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-29 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 1/29/2012 12:11 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: I intend to nominate Noel J. Bergman but would like to see the community come to a consensus about the

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-29 Thread Benson Margulies
I'd like to nominate Noel to continue as chair. Noel hasn't resigned, and we don't have a consensus on rotation. So I think any vote we hold to recommend a chair to the board should include the option of his sticking in place unless he chooses to remove himself from the running.

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-29 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 But shouldn't we agree on a rotationi/reelection before we do the nominations? Christian, I hate to repeat myself, but could I direct your attention to my recent message? If you think that a rotation policy should come first, start a thread proposing a rotation policy, and we can all leave

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-29 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Ate Douma wrote: FTR: as should be clear from my above response, I disagree with the topic of this discussion thread. This should be about Regular (re)election of the PMC Chair.

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-28 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: When did you resign? Noel hasn't, as far as I have been able to track the email, formally resigned. He sent email stating that he was willing to step aside if the community wanted to elect someone else. Someone could

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Lucene.Net 2.9.4g incubating

2012-01-24 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:30 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 January 2012 06:20, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, Lucene.Net 2.9.4g is ready for release. This is very similar to our release at the end of November, however we have used generics where

Re: PPMC to IPMC

2012-01-19 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: My opinion: It's one thing to try to involve yourself in the fortunes of one or two projects in addition to your own, and be willing to provide general opinions, and be willing to contribute content to the incubator's

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenNLP as a TLP

2012-01-18 Thread Benson Margulies
Kosin jko...@apache.org Jörn Kottmann jo...@apache.org Aliaksandr Autayeu auta...@apache.org Boris Galitsky bgalit...@apache.org Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org Benson Margulies bimargul...@apache.org Isabel Drost exam...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Jörn

Re: [RT] Community over policy, and similar thoughts

2012-01-16 Thread Benson Margulies
Don, I think that place where you, Leo, and Sam meet up is in the identification and clarification of *minimal* legal and procedural requirements. Sam's repeated over and over that he is, in effect, trying to establish the minimal level of oversight and supervision of podlings (and that the

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Benson Margulies
I would appreciate it if the participants in this discussion would be really clear about their views about several different podling profiles. a: A reasonably diverse group of 5-7 people start a podling. A year later, they've made a release or two, but no one new has turned up. Mentors attest to

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-11 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Michael Stroucken m...@cmu.edu wrote: Joe Schaefer wrote: Let's stop discussing this issue in the abstract then and take a look at the current set of reports.  Of the ones with signatures of mentors, I see very little to gripe about- the topics and subjects

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-11 Thread Benson Margulies
And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other people have to step up to help. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM, ant elder

Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)

2012-01-11 Thread Benson Margulies
one way or the other soon. Regards,        Stuart On 11 Jan 2012, at 23:05, ant elder wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: And here we return to a thread of some

Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)

2012-01-11 Thread Benson Margulies
elder wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ...Ignore the proposal. It is out of date, since the podling has already started. The Bloodhound and Trac communities already have a new

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: It is not helpful to have a number of directors contradicting each other on general@, never coming to consensus.  In fact, its

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
is that my topic needs to go take a rest until the topic of non-responsible mentors is under control. Upayavira On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 08:10 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sam, I started this separate thread because I

Re: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: -Original Message- From: Alan D.Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 3:47 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Maven coordinate for incubating podlings It's my

Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-08 Thread Benson Margulies
This has been the subject of prior conversations, but I'm opening a thread in some hope of reaching a definitive resolution. Some of our non-graduating podlings have a common problem. They look good in all ways except growth. This inhibits graduation from 2.5 standpoints: 1) they are dubiously

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-08 Thread Benson Margulies
If the Incubator is not sure that a podling is small but healthy, then would the board be in a better position to make that judgement after graduation? In the case at hand (Isis), I'd propose that the IPMC could assert that they are healthy -- with an asterix. Never having seen them

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-08 Thread Benson Margulies
try to get at bit more folks interrested. But they have 3, 4 frequent committers which do a very good job. And the team has really good community skills! Thus I'm not yet particularly worried. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-08 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sam, Rather than argue about the existence and interpretation of messages about squashing stale podlings, how about this adjustment to my

Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator

2012-01-03 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote: ...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition among

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-03 Thread Benson Margulies
 [ ] Forks are accepted without judgement [Greg] [1]  [ ] [something more nuanced here]  [X ] Hostile forks are never acceptable [Roy] [2] I don't understand the purpose of a vote here. Roy has stated rather firmly that [2] is settled foundation policy. So, if someone wants to reopen that

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-12-29 Thread Benson Margulies (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13177402#comment-13177402 ] Benson Margulies commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1

Re: [VOTE] Release jena-2.7.0-incubating (RC1)

2011-12-20 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: *bump*. We have 2 +1s from mentors already, so at a minimum we need just one more binding vote to do this release. Anyone have time to do the review? thanks! Leo On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Andy Seaborne

Re: [VOTE] accumulo-1.3.5-incubating RC10 - nudge

2011-12-16 Thread Benson Margulies
Hey IPMC: We seem to have lost a mentor to the holidays or something. These folks have worked very hard (and been through 10 candidates) to get to this point. Could some other IPMC member please have a look at, if appropriate, add the missing -1? On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:22 PM, John Vines

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Accumulo 1.3.5-incubating (rc8)

2011-11-29 Thread Benson Margulies
+ On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Eric Newton eric.new...@gmail.com wrote: This is the first incubator release for Apache Accumulo, with the artifacts versioned as 1.3.5-incubating. VOTE: http://www.mail-archive.com/accumulo-dev@incubator.apache.org/msg00939.html RESULT:

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Accumulo 1.3.5-incubating (rc8)

2011-11-29 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 binding On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Eric Newton eric.new...@gmail.com wrote: This is the first incubator release for Apache Accumulo, with the artifacts versioned as 1.3.5-incubating. VOTE: http://www.mail-archive.com/accumulo-dev@incubator.apache.org/msg00939.html RESULT:

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-28 Thread Benson Margulies
Suggestion: There are cases where the 'official word' is a full-ASF document which we don't lightly edit. Yet, we see some evidence that podlings have trouble reaching the right interpretation. We don't want to duplicate, but we could supplement. Specific proposal: I'm willing to try to write a

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Christian, Your proposals read to me as an elaboration and extension of some of the things I wrote. I think that Joe S's reaction to me, insofar as I understand it, makes some sense. Let's see if we can find a small group of members of the IPMC who are, in fact, willing to take seriously the

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
If we can build such a group, it would be the logical nucleus of a reboot. If not, well, we've got other problems. Care to give some specifics? Robert Robert, Between my posts at the top of this thread, and all the many messages on Joe's (I think) thread about the board wanting to delegate

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
One piece of advice I've been kicking myself for not offering more aggressively is this: ask for review before you bother to put up a candidate for a vote. It's a lot less work. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
I think I've been leading a sheltered existence. In the TLPs of which I play a part, over the 5 years or so that I've been around, I've never seen a release proceed past a -1. Every single time, a -1 has led to recutting the release. In some ways, I'd expect the incubator to be more conservative

Re: Rebooting the Incubator? (was: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem...)

2011-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
I guess I sent one email too many here. On the other thread, I was perfectly happy to join the nacent consensus that the willing should step up and supervise, as opposed to any sort of structural change. I'm back there now. And, anyway, all if this is a hijack. This thread started as 'how can we

Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3

2011-11-25 Thread Benson Margulies
I hate to have to say this, but I have concerns about the NOTICE file based on recent traffic here. Unfortunately, that conversation left me with a giant headache and no clear idea. The issue is that there's a misc acknowledgement in there which is not a relocated IP notice. Are those OK, or not?

Re: [VOTE] Release of Lucene.Net 2.9.4-incubating-RC3

2011-11-25 Thread Benson Margulies
Well, fine, I am happy to +1. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 25, 2011, at 8:32 AM, ant elder wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I hate to have to say this, but I have concerns about

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of the Empire-db Podling

2011-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
/%3CCAGD0tqF78OuHN6AjLLXb950VfbGm3MABvV3txruHUS0b6HCu8Q% 40mail.gmail.com%3E The vote received 6 PPMC approvals, of which 3 were also IPMC members (Benson Margulies, Martijn Dashorst and Thomas Fox). I would like to ask the IPMC to approve the graduation. [  ] +1 - I approve of the Empire-db graduation

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
I will offer a theory in response to Hoss. The incubator has a particular and critical role in the success of the Foundations. Projects that start well are likelier to continue well. From this, you might argue along with Hoss that the Board, burned once by problems with delegated supervision,

Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
When the hot air manufacturers start ragging on us, one of the usual tags that they paint is 'rules' and 'bureaucracy'. If you read general@, you will see a fairly regular occurrence that feeds this perception. Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release structure. If they are

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Benson Margulies
I am +1 to Joe's formulation of short-term action items. I'd like to graduate one or two of my personal ducklings before I sign up to start acting as a wandering nuncio to others. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 22 November 2011 10:20, Bertrand

Re: Committers welcome email

2011-11-22 Thread Benson Margulies
I feel very lucky that my podlings have gotten this sort of thing right pretty much without me. I've been thinking that I should, in future, grab their attention and remind them of some things early and often. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: The

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-22 Thread Benson Margulies
The last time I was in this neighborhood, I was told (by no less than our esteemed chairman) that the Champion's role was purely to play Virgil on a podling's initial tour of the Foundation and the Incubator. Once the podling was accepted, the Champion evaporated. If I add Bertrand and

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Speaking wearing a hat: There is no requirement for monolithic releases. The project can choose whatever units it likes to release, so long as each one of them is fully buildable from the materials voted on in the release. If they want to hold one vote on 400 of them, well, it casts some doubt on

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh. Well perhaps its me that needs to go back to school then. But i find this most unexpected. The ASF FAQ on what is a release says All releases are in the form of the source materials needed to make changes to the

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Well its a little confusing to expect anyone other than a mentor to shepherd a project- the corresponding shepherd at the TLP level is a board member responsible for interfacing between the board and the project on any

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Sam, Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large and diffuse as to be directionless? --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sam, Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large and diffuse as to be directionless? I don't see that as a necessary

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
I see what I did wrong. On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:36 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 November 2011 00:42, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul

Re: [VOTE] Release Accumulo 1.3.5-incubating

2011-11-18 Thread Benson Margulies
Sebb, I think we need a discussion on general@ about source. I personally serve as release manager for about 3 Apache Maven plugins per month. None of them have a 'source release' in the sense you describe. There's a maven source jar artifact, and that's it. I'm happy to work with the Accumulo

Re: [VOTE] Release Accumulo 1.3.5-incubating

2011-11-18 Thread Benson Margulies
Sebb, I was wrong. --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Release Accumulo 1.3.5-incubating

2011-11-18 Thread Benson Margulies
, and I was wrong. Everyone else feel free to join in. --benson On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sebb, I think we need a discussion on general@ about source. I personally serve as release manager for about 3 Apache Maven plugins per month

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-17 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (binding) On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote: Again, we had this discussion before namely, when the actual release vote happened. I'm still confused why we have to go through this again. You should be able to build all of the components by using the

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Benson Margulies
I have been working to get Empire-DB to graduate, and I expect to have a vote in front of general@ quite soon. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 November 2011 20:57, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Benson Margulies
While I agree that it's important to confront the current inventory, I think that the situation at hand is as much a matter of what goes into the incubator as what comes out. In my limited experience, size and growth are a big barrier to graduation. If a project is chugging along exhibiting good

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache opennlp-1.5.2-incubating-rc5

2011-11-14 Thread Benson Margulies
That page is very misleading, and there was a long discussion of this topic elsewhere. Look at the example just above the requirement: The Apache Xerces XML parsing library is easily configurable and compliant with current standards Yes, in some sense, Xerces is an adjective there, but really

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache opennlp-1.5.2-incubating-rc5

2011-11-14 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 November 2011 02:12, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: That page is very misleading, and there was a long discussion of this topic elsewhere. Look at the example just above the requirement: The Apache Xerces XML

Re: [VOTE] Retire Olio [Was: Retire Olio?]

2011-11-10 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (binding) On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: Coming back to this. It unfortunately seems that there's no (even optimistic) expectation that Olio will graduate. So, voting: [ ] +1 [ ] -1, no because... Hen On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:27 PM,

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache opennlp-1.5.2-incubating-rc4

2011-11-07 Thread Benson Margulies
I agree with sebb about UIMA and notices. Sorry not to have been paying attention when this came up before. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:45 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 November 2011 14:48, Jörn Kottmann kottm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/7/11 3:29 PM, sebb wrote: On 7 November 2011 09:30,

Re: Incubation end states (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?)

2011-10-31 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 2:50 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 10/30/2011 8:05 PM, David Crossley wrote: Benson Margulies wrote: Daniel Shahaf wrote: Thinking out load: perhaps just promote the project into a TLP, while having a few IPMC members volunteer to become PMC

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?

2011-10-31 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Rainer Döbele doeb...@esteam.de wrote: ...Certainly there is no way for us to compete

[DISCUSS] Graduating empire?

2011-10-30 Thread Benson Margulies
The current RAT situation leads me to suggest that we graduate Empire. As a mentor, I'd characterize Empire-Db as a project that was long ago ready, save for the same issue as RAT: a small group that grows very, very, slowly. They respond on their email, they apply Apache process, they make

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?

2011-10-30 Thread Benson Margulies
Prospective podlings are well-advised to consider that if things don't work out, a project which might have been perfectly viable elsewhere for years to come will have to deal with both the disruption of a name change and the stigma of having a big red termination stamp applied by the

Re: Incubation end states (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?)

2011-10-30 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Two quick comments, haven't read the context: Marvin Humphrey wrote on Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:26:57 -0700: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:55:01PM +0100, Jukka Zitting wrote: To me this suggests that our current three

Re: Incubation end states (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?)

2011-10-30 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Benson Margulies wrote on Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 15:33:25 -0400: Could the incubator, or a clone of the incubator, serve as a permanent home for small projects? Essentially, this amounts to removing all the 'incubator

Mailing list teething pains

2011-10-15 Thread Benson Margulies
The startup of accumulo has been, from my point of view, strangely painful for mailing list moderation. I'd like to learn something from this for the next time around. Here's what I think is the relevant history: 1) The initial committers all subscribe to the lists with their favorite email

Re: Mailing list teething pains

2011-10-15 Thread Benson Margulies
Not a link as such, just use: Reply - accept Reply All - accept and allow Sebb, I see what you're referring to in http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mail-moderate, and now I see it hiding in the cc where gmail wasn't making it obvious. Sorry for the stupidity. BTW, is apmail still

new accounts

2011-09-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Apologies to all, but my memory is leaky and my google skills faulty. I've got a podling's worth of accounts to create. Do I use the 'member' link on the new submission form for this purpose? - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

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