On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:22:02AM -0700, Alex Harui wrote:
Hi, As a newbie, I've generally quietly watched from the sidelines, but
now I'm jumping in.
+1 about expectations vs rights. In fact, it occurred to me that a
booklet or pamphlet more like the What to expect whenŠ book would be
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:22:00PM +0100, Upayavira wrote:
If, for whatever reason, they are unable or
unwilling to, you can ask on the incubator general list. If the optic is
too sensitive to discuss in public (eg a potential committer) you may
contact the incubator ombudsman at
On 6/21/13 7:12 AM, Chip Childers chip.child...@sungard.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:22:00PM +0100, Upayavira wrote:
If, for whatever reason, they are unable or
unwilling to, you can ask on the incubator general list. If the optic is
too sensitive to discuss in public (eg a
Hi, As a newbie, I've generally quietly watched from the sidelines, but
now I'm jumping in.
+1 about expectations vs rights. In fact, it occurred to me that a
booklet or pamphlet more like the What to expect whenŠ book would be
better. IMO, correctly set expectations make for happier people.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
2) Apache has been around long enough and is large enough to have its own
culture, with its own societal rules and tribal history. Lots of it is
written down, but it is hard to find.
I never thought of that...Apache
+1
Having also come to Apache by joining a now graduated podling (Apache
Jena) I like the idea of a What to expect document and agree with pretty
much everything that you lay out here. I think people outside of Apache
often don't appreciate how a volunteer organization operates and many of
your
11. In certain circumstances, there are specific people charged with
certain responsibilities. Over time you can expect to learn who they
are, and where they hang out. Your mentor should be able to guide you
while you do learn. If, for whatever reason, they are unable or
unwilling to, you can ask
I have written up the suggestions so far into a wiki page
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect
The content is pretty much what has been included in this thread
reorganized with a few minor grammar tweaks here and there.
If people like this notion feel free to edit the page or continue
To distinguish between these two documents, they have different
flavours. One sets the expectations of podlings members, the other tells
mentors what is expected of them. This latter one should not be
forgotten. It is easy to sign up as a mentor, but not so easy to follow
through.
Having
Joe, this is (in general) great. I feel I could pick a few holes and
make a few suggestions but they are mostly insignificant so I'll
refrain from doing so.
I do have one concern I want to air. Unfortunately I don't have a
suggestion for improvement so am happy for you to ignore it, but maybe
to in a Bill of Rights.
- Original Message -
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights
Joe, this is (in general) great. I feel I
...@opendirective.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights
Joe, this is (in general) great. I feel I could pick a few holes and
make a few suggestions but they are mostly
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights
Joe, this is (in general) great. I feel I could pick a few holes and
make a few suggestions but they are mostly insignificant so I'll
refrain from doing so.
I do have one concern I want to air
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Joseph Schaefer
joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
The typical escalation path is either board@ or board-private@ assuming
private messages
to the chair are ineffective. Most of the time, for most of our projects,
this has worked well enough.
So isn't learning
- Original Message -
From: Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org
To: Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Joseph Schaefer
joe_schae
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
So isn't learning this bit of information a crucial part of graduation?
After
all, once the project leaves the incubator its commiters and PMC won't have
an access to the Ombudsman, isn't it in all of our best
Since I realize that most of you can't be
bothered to look at the wiki page I created ;-),
I'll go ahead and post the current content
here for commentary. I hope the bulk of it
is non-controversial, though some of it may
not belong on the page...
FWIW, I read it, and liked it. I would support something like this in
terms of making it clearer what we are promising to podlings.
I guess a question that it would be worth clarifying - what happens to a
perfectly reasonable podling who's mentors resign/go awol, when the
Incubator PMC cannot
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Since I realize that most of you can't be
bothered to look at the wiki page I created ;-),
I'll go ahead and post the current content
here for commentary. I hope the bulk of it
is non-controversial, though some of it
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