On 17 January 2012 04:07, Hyrum K Wright hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote:
(That, and I haven't yet learned how to wade through the fire hose
that is general@incubator to spot potential reminders.)
If everything is set up right Marvin will send reminders to the
project lists. You might have been
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't
review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other
people
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
snip
I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and Ant have shown heroic patience as
mentors on this project. The situation will resolve itself one
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let
me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
in the position of judging whether or not a podling is actually
making progress or not. If mentors don't do that, who
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let
me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
in the position of judging whether or
Joe Schaefer wrote on Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 08:48:02 -0800:
Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed incubation
effort? Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work out, no
harm no foul, best of luck in your future endeavors elsewhere?
I sure hope we aren't going to
I don't see why. When you apply to a university you either
receive an acceptance letter or a letter of regret; we don't
have to make any other distinctions regarding our internal
reasons either. Simply part ways amicably and help them
thru the exit door, no matter if they were chronic policy
- Original Message -
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun,
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let
me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
in the position of judging whether or
- Original Message -
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun,
- Original Message -
From: ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
True, but decisions can't be delegated to individuals,
only tasks. Robert conveniently blurs the two.
- Original Message -
From: Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:24
Hi,
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Last time I looked, mentors were delegated this duty by the IPMC.
If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add clarity.
It's indeed pretty clearly documented already:
Relevant difference: when we reject a project we do that on public
lists, when you apply to a university the fact you did so is private.
Joe Schaefer wrote on Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 09:03:45 -0800:
I don't see why. When you apply to a university you either
receive an acceptance letter or a
I think the email trail will be fairly clear one way
or the other, and hence still oppose adding more labels
to the situation.
- Original Message -
From: Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January
I would appreciate it if the participants in this discussion would be
really clear about their views about several different podling
profiles.
a: A reasonably diverse group of 5-7 people start a podling. A year
later, they've made a release or two, but no one new has turned up.
Mentors attest to
You didn't annoy me Benson, I think you're spot on, +1.
Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
I would appreciate it if the participants in this discussion would be
really clear about their views about several different podling
profiles.
a: A reasonably diverse
Hi Robert...
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk
wrote:
snip
I'll back up what Ant said -
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.comwrote:
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let
me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
in the position of judging whether or
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.namewrote:
Joe Schaefer wrote on Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 08:48:02 -0800:
Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed incubation
effort? Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work out, no
harm no foul,
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To:
I'd like to suggest that whatever rules we come
up with are derived from actual cases we've seen
over our time here. Robert is not alone by any
stretch, he's just clueful enough to be willing
to be open and honestabout it.
I'd have no problems supporting a podling whose
mentors review their
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't
review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other
people
Thank you Sam.
Re Cordova: no idea why this has not been submitted. It had been written by
a community member and commented by myself and Jukka on the Dev list in
plenty of time. Jukka already raised this issue on the Dev list prior to
your mail here. Conclusion, new project learning the ropes.
Re: Cordova was completely my fault. I think after writing it and
getting some quick consensus/approval my brain mistakenly filed it as
done. Won't happen again!
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Thank you Sam.
Re Cordova: no idea why this has not
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can tell, the point being made was that there was
nothing going on in the project, and so nothing should be reported - I'll leave
Benson to clarify.
I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can tell, the point being made was that there was
nothing going on in the project, and so nothing should be reported
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can tell, the point being made was that there was
nothing going on in the project, and so nothing should be reported
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for graduatuation:
Celix
A plan is being discussed on the list, but did not make it into this month's
report. I would kindly like to ask
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can tell, the point being made was that there
As with most things in life, things need a kick from time to time.
What about collecting a nice list of 'what's the monthly report thingy about'
which explains that it's not just filed unread but is pretty important.
Plus again explain what information the board likes to get and that it's not
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for graduatuation:
Celix
A plan is being discussed on
On 1/11/2012 6:02 PM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for graduatuation:
Celix
A plan is being discussed on the list, but did not make it into
On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:09 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for
On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:11 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 1/11/2012 6:02 PM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for graduatuation:
Celix
A plan
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
The only point I was trying to make is that, as soon as discussions here were
going in a direction where podlings over a year old should start coming up
with a more concrete plan for graduation, I started
Apparently Benson feels that it is unreasonable to expect at
least one Incubator PMC member to actually read the one report
that this PMC sends on. Yes, I'm irritated.
To be clear, *I* read every word of every Board report that we send on. I
don't take issue with whatever else you wrote. I
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