On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
...Of course, it isn't politic to ask a high profile mentor to recuse
themselves for lack of helping
Maybe we need to add no politics allowed to our collection of slogans ;-)
If someone's not active as a mentor,
But if someone sees mentorship as some kind of status, and you politely
ask them to quit as a mentor through complete inactivity, the polite
approach might not yield results given their attachment to the apparent
status.
In the end, in such scenarios, it'll take an impartial rule to resolve
that
Two thoughts ...
-- replying to --
From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 00:33
To: Incubator General
Subject: Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
wrote:
...Of course, it isn't politic to ask a high profile mentor to recuse
themselves for lack of helping
Maybe we need to add no
On 12/24/14, 2:43 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
But if someone sees mentorship as some kind of status, and you politely
ask them to quit as a mentor through complete inactivity, the polite
approach might not yield results given their attachment to the apparent
status.
In the end, in
On 12/24/14, 9:23 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
Who would like to send such an email to mentors who have missed, say, all
of the sign-offs next to their name for a period of 4 months?
I would do it if I was on the PPMC of a podling and lack of sign-offs was
affecting progress.
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
...Of course, it isn't politic to ask a high profile mentor to recuse
themselves for lack of helping
Maybe we need to add no
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
wrote:
...Of course, it isn't politic to ask a high profile mentor
On 12/22/14, 10:35 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Aren't there loads and loads of presos, webinars, slides
etc from various ApacheCons and other FOSS conf's which
detailed the Apache Way?
These would be
tl;dr; agree with a problem statement, don't think
that proposal wording has much to do with solving
the problem, would love to see mentors do more.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
I was wondering... What we *REALLY* want are projects
that are interested
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Sean Owen sro...@apache.org wrote:
I was going to ask the same. I've seen ~5 proposals now, and was
surprised to see how they all copied and pasted the same boilerplate
to answer several points, including this stanza about risk of
excessive fascination with the
On 23 Dec 2014, at 13:53, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
tl;dr; agree with a problem statement, don't think
that proposal wording has much to do with solving
the problem, would love to see mentors do more.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
I
On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
On 12/22/14, 10:35 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Aren't there loads and loads of presos, webinars, slides
etc from various ApacheCons and
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
I was wondering... What we *REALLY* want are projects
that are interested more in The Apache Way than in the
Apache Brand. We need to make it more clear, somehow,
that new projects want to enter the ASF because they
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
I was wondering... What we *REALLY* want are projects
that are interested more in The Apache Way than in the
Apache Brand. We need to make it
On 23/12/14 22:25, Ted Dunning wrote:
I think that the time was well spent, but one of the three mentors was
total AWOL during this process. Being absent during crucial discussions
If a mentor can't show up at the beginning of the project, when things
are being discussed, why is s/he a
I was going to ask the same. I've seen ~5 proposals now, and was
surprised to see how they all copied and pasted the same boilerplate
to answer several points, including this stanza about risk of
excessive fascination with the brand.
I also suspect that there is excessive fascination, and that
On Monday, December 22, 2014, Sean Owen sro...@apache.org wrote:
I was going to ask the same. I've seen ~5 proposals now, and was
surprised to see how they all copied and pasted the same boilerplate
to answer several points, including this stanza about risk of
excessive fascination with the
I have always thought that there would be value in reviewing the topics
in our project proposals.
Ideally, we would review them to make sure all questions are open ended,
rather than having a clear expected answer:
Could we replace Inexperience with Open Source (which begs the answer,
No, we
Hello
I am a very new participant in Apache and a member of the ppmc for apache
nifi (incubating).
So I thought it would be good to share that perspective for this
discussion...
In writing the NiFi proposal this section was honestly a bit awkward. The
other sections are largely about providing
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
What we *REALLY* want are projects
that are interested more in The Apache Way than in the
Apache Brand.
What is The Apache Way, anyway?
There's no coherent, authoritative definition -- and therefore,
transgressions are
Agree with Upayavira. And, I think the mentors need to be more
diverse. Sometimes I can predict the result of vote.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Marvin Humphrey
mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
What we *REALLY* want are
Aren't there loads and loads of presos, webinars, slides
etc from various ApacheCons and other FOSS conf's which
detailed the Apache Way?
On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
What we
On 22 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Aren't there loads and loads of presos, webinars, slides
etc from various ApacheCons and other FOSS conf's which
detailed the Apache Way?
These would be where? And, if we don’t already have a “place” for them
(including
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