Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Honza Rameš
[X] +1 Accept Wave for incubation non-binding --Honza

Re: Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread a2c
+1 On 12月1日, 午後1:24, Andrian Kurniady kurni...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:30 PM, David Wang zdw...@google.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Yasushi Ando andy...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Wave never die. On 30 November 2010 15:52, Dan Peterson

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread STenyaK
[X ] +1 Accept Wave for incubation On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 07:52, Dan Peterson dpeter...@google.com wrote: Hi everyone, Please vote on the acceptance of Wave into the Apache incubator. The proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your convenience, a

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Andrian Kurniady
+1 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:30 PM, David Wang zdw...@google.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Yasushi Ando andy...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Wave never die. On 30 November 2010 15:52, Dan Peterson dpeter...@google.com wrote: Hi everyone, Please vote on the acceptance of Wave

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Yasushi Ando
+1 Wave never die. On 30 November 2010 15:52, Dan Peterson dpeter...@google.com wrote: Hi everyone, Please vote on the acceptance of Wave into the Apache incubator. The proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your convenience, a snapshot is also copied

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Petru ©
+1 --- the acceptance of Wave into the Apache incubator.

Re: Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Chris Harvey
Wave +1 (non-binding) -- Chris iotawave.org Singapore

Incubator PMC/Board report for December 2010 (general@incubator.apache.org)

2010-12-01 Thread no-reply
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Incubator PMC/Board report for December 2010 (general@incubator.apache.org)

2010-12-01 Thread no-reply
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RE: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator (CORRECTION)

2010-12-01 Thread Mark Kovacevich
Corrected: +1 Non-binding Mark R. Kovacevich Voice: 404-502-9268 Email: mark.r.kovacev...@gmail.com mailto:mark.kovacev...@us.army.mil -Original Message- From: Mark Kovacevich [mailto:mark.r.kovacev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:47 PM To:

Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Owen O'Malley
In http://bit.ly/fhCxIt , Steve argued that it isn't permitted for non- podling releases to depend on the artifacts that come out of podlings. I believe that to be false, but I can't find a relevant statement in the FAQ. Can I get clarification? Thanks, Owen

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Owen O'Malley omal...@apache.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 10:48:48 AM Subject: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects In http://bit.ly/fhCxIt , Steve argued that it isn't permitted for non-podling

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I agree with Joe. a) I've been involved in a number of such releases. b) A podling can be evaluated for license compatibility like any external dependency -- but I don't see how a podling has any business making any releases before their IP clearance is pretty darn clear. --benson On Wed, Dec

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Thilo Götz
On 12/1/2010 16:48, Owen O'Malley wrote: In http://bit.ly/fhCxIt , Steve argued that it isn't permitted for non-podling releases to depend on the artifacts that come out of podlings. I believe that to be false, but I can't find a relevant statement in the FAQ. Can I get clarification? This

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Owen, It's my understanding that Apache software can depend on other software that falls within the guidelines here [1]. ASF Podlings, by definition are software (released or not) that fall under the confines of Category A from [1], so it's fine to depend on them (again, *released* or not).

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 10:53:35 AM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects I agree with Joe. a) I've been involved in a number of such

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 10:57:48 AM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects Hi Owen, It's my

Re: i want to vote on wave project for Incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Alain... Please reply on the voting thread of Wave :). On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Alain Levesque albon...@wavewatchers.org wrote: I want to vote on wave project for incubator -- Alain Levesque Wavewatchers -- Thanks - Mohammad Nour   Author of (WebSphere Application Server

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 10:57:48 AM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Thilo Götz
On 12/1/2010 17:38, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 10:57:48 AM

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 11:38:31 AM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:04

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Thilo, The difference is that the incubator code comes from Apache, with all the ASF IP due diligence. If we use a third-party library that's under the AL, we mention that it's not from Apache. Our customers can then decide for themselves how much they trust that other source. My

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Thilo Götz twgo...@gmx.de wrote: On 12/1/2010 17:38, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: ... Hrm, umm, so what's the difference between this, and oh I don't know, some other library I pick up as a TLP off Google code who claims their source is ASLv2 licensed? I have

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Joe, Hrm, umm, so what's the difference between this, and oh I don't know, some other library I pick up as a TLP off Google code who claims their source is ASLv2 licensed? I have no guarantee over there that the license issues are resolved either, yet we do that all the time over

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Bertrand, The difference is that the incubator code comes from Apache, with all the ASF IP due diligence. If we use a third-party library that's under the AL, we mention that it's not from Apache. Our customers can then decide for themselves how much they trust that other source. My

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Thilo Götz
On 12/1/2010 17:56, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hey Joe, Hrm, umm, so what's the difference between this, and oh I don't know, some other library I pick up as a TLP off Google code who claims their source is ASLv2 licensed? I have no guarantee over there that the license issues are

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Thilo, I hear ya, and I believe you have way more experience in this particular area than I do. I'm just saying that it would be nice if we could eat our own dog food in this particular accord, otherwise, what's the Incubator other than an Apache-branded area of code that's subject to

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 11:56:49 AM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects Hey Joe, Hrm, umm,

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: It is common for podlings to import their code here and only then start cleaning up dependencies that do not comply with ASF requirements. So if another project release contains unreleased code from a podling, it might not be clean. In

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Joe, But OTOH, it would be nice if we could reward Incubator podlings for choosing to do it the Apache Way to begin with by making some sort of easier mechanism for their code to be included in other Apache projects, right? After all the discussion about making it easier on

RE: Adding myself as a mentor for Stonehenge

2010-12-01 Thread Kamaljit Bath
+1 -Original Message- From: Gianugo Rabellino [mailto:gian...@rabellino.it] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:09 PM To: stonehenge-...@incubator.apache.org Cc: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Adding myself as a mentor for Stonehenge Hi there, as the stonehenge community is

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Thilo Götz
Hi Chris, On 12/1/2010 18:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Thilo, I hear ya, and I believe you have way more experience in this particular area than I do. I'm just saying that it would be nice if we could eat our own dog food in this particular accord, otherwise, what's the

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Thilo, Is it just me, or have we come full circle ;-) LOL, yep! We're doing a code grant, ICLAs from all current and previous contributors, etc etc, the whole nine yards. The fact that the code is already under the Apache license makes hardly any difference. Yep I've had

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Just about the most important thing a podling does is release. We shouldn't need mechanisms to ease the use of unreleased podling code. In my opinion. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Joe, than going to some other OSS provider and then coming here later. You're confused about the whole point of releases at Apache. They aren't necessarily meant to offer any promises about stability or suitability for a given purpose, they are simply meant as a means of getting the

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 also when considering the other options. Some of those incubator projects are JSR impls. And would you like to depend on a LGPL licensed external library instead? LieGrue, strub --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: From: Mattmann, Chris A

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 1:14:03 PM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects Hi Joe, than going to

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mark Struberg
Thilo, the point is that any mentor, champion or in other form involved ASF member MUST NOT give his +1 to any incubator RELEASE vote which is not IP clear! It might be that incubator snapshots are not IP cleared yet, but there is certainly a much higher grade of review in any incubator

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Joe, I agree with pretty much everything you said below. One good thing (and correct me if I'm wrong) but is that I interpret what you are saying here: This is not an academic question. Ask Dims how things worked for Geronimo when they had such a dependency. Basically the expectation

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 1:42:47 PM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects Hey Joe, I agree with

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Chris, On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hey Joe, I agree with pretty much everything you said below. One good thing (and correct me if I'm wrong) but is that I interpret what you are saying here: This is not an academic

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 2:18:50 PM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects Hi Chris, On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Mattmann, Chris A

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Owen O'Malley omal...@apache.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 12:15:51 PM Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: It is common

I think individuals need SGAs

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at. As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Eelco Hillenius
+1 Accept Wave for incubation (non-binding) Eelco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Alain Levesque
+1 (non-binding) -- Alain Levesque Wavewatchers

Is there a batch of new accounts on the horizon, oh r...@?

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Sometimes I know that the very busy root@ batches up account requests. My OpenNLP pod-people wonder when they might get their accounts. I've counselled patience. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

Re: I think individuals need SGAs

2010-12-01 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Benson, I didn't see your edit. I might not be subscribed to the right list (yet). You are right. A pre-existing code base is not covered by an ICLA. A grant is needed. Craig On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day,

Setting up the Jena podling

2010-12-01 Thread Dave
Ross, I hope I didn't jump the gun, but I've gone ahead and created JIRA issues to request infrastructure setup for Apache Jena (incubating). Here's the parent issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3255 I think next steps are to collect desired user IDs and ICLA's for all new

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread David Wang
On the expiry of the 72 hours, where would we be able to hear the outcome of the acceptance? On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Eelco Hillenius eelco.hillen...@gmail.comwrote: +1 Accept Wave for incubation (non-binding) Eelco

Re: [VOTE] Accept Wave into the incubator

2010-12-01 Thread Dan Peterson
Hey David, When the time period is up, I'll tally the vote and send a message with [RESULTS] in the subject. -Dan - Original Message - From: David Wang zdw...@google.com To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thu Dec 02 00:02:27 2010 Subject: Re: [VOTE]

Fixing Schedule, was Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for December 2010 (nuvem-...@incubator.apache.org)

2010-12-01 Thread Luciano Resende
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:00 AM, no-re...@apache.org wrote: Dear Nuvem Developers, This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly board report. The board meeting is scheduled