Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Don Bosco Durai
> How do you define the 'Hadoop complex eco-system'? If that definition Agreed, complex is a relative term. I used the term complex, because now more than 20 products use Hadoop and list is growing. There are 10 products listed on http://hadoop.apache.org/. Then there are others projects like Acc

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Andrew Purtell
This statement might not be quite right: > Even within Hadoop complex eco-system, each components have limited or no security controls. How do you define the 'Hadoop complex eco-system'? If that definition includes projects such as HBase, we have significant security controls, so that wouldn't be

Reviewing license / notice and bundled software

2014-07-16 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Last few times I've reviewed LICENSE / NOTICE files in projects it ends up being quite difficult knowing what exactly has been bundled and exactly how those bits of included software are licensed. In particular some software (i.e. bootstap) have moved form an Apache license to an MIT one in

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Don Bosco Durai
Hi JB We will be centralizing the administration and auditing for Knox. And we will be also standardizing the authentication for web applications for all components within Hadoop ecosystem, for which we might consider Shiro. I would like to understand more about Syncope and see how production r

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Alejandro Abdelnur wrote: > Have you considered reaching out to the Sentry community to see if they > would be interested in bringing Argus existing code base into Sentry? > We did consider it, but decided that the challenge of integrating the two distinct code b

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Chris Douglas wrote: > The committer and PPMC list should be honest. If there is no > diversity, that fact must be visible for it to be tracked. > a big +1 Chris, I know you are pretty overloaded at the moment with podlings, but would you be willing to be a ment

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Henry Saputra wrote: > HI, > > Just curious if you could give reference to "Apache encourages > disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when those projects > overlap in scope" statement ? > Henry, It generally comes from the "Community over Code,"

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Alejandro Abdelnur
> There is some overlap between the goals of Argus and Apache > Sentry. Apache encourages disjoint teams to form independent > projects, even when those projects overlap in scope. Additionally, > we feel that the distinct code bases, development teams, and > different approaches to the problem shou

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Andreas Neumann
Is it worth a thought to require that new podlings find a champion who is not employed by the same organization? On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Henry Saputra wrote: > Definitely +1, active members, with lack diversity, are more useful. > > My original comment was to suggest having mentors co

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Henry Saputra
Definitely +1, active members, with lack diversity, are more useful. My original comment was to suggest having mentors come from different organizations so hopefully could help provide different perspectives and inputs to the podling. Never my intention to suggest false diversity to start an Apach

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Henry Saputra
HI, Just curious if you could give reference to "Apache encourages disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when those projects overlap in scope" statement ? - Henry On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Selvamohan Neethiraj wrote: > Apache Argus Proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/A

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Ted Dunning
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Chris Douglas wrote: > > So, I am fond of Henry's hope that the project will solicit a more > diversified > > set of mentors and initial committers. > > The committer and PPMC list should be honest. If there is no > diversity, that fact must be visible for it to b

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Chris Douglas
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > If an objective of a podding is to build a diversified community then perhaps > it should be an explicitly defined graduation criteria? In fact, earlier I > have > raised exactly the same question about Tez but I don't think it ever be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi, it looks interesting. Do you have an idea about the interactions with other projects (Knox, Shiro, Syncope, whatever) ? Regards JB On 07/15/2014 04:16 AM, Selvamohan Neethiraj wrote: Apache Argus Proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ArgusProposal) == Abstract == Argus is a frame