On 3 Jun 2011, at 02:32, Allen Pulsifer wrote:
Hello Simon,
This is a noble proposal, but there are is an important prerequisite. The
LibreOffice is currently only accepting contributions licensed under the
LGPL. The LibreOffice project cannot take those contributions and insert
them
That is what I was suggesting and which Rob claims he won't need because its
so easy.
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On Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 3, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Michael Meeks wrote:
Hi Rob,
On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 21:26 -0400, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
Please see Simon Phipps' email earlier today that contained a very
similar suggestion with some more detail, it would be nice to bring these
two threads together
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Ahhh... Yes I see something missing from Simons mail here. I assumed that
the LibreOffice distribution would gradually migrate to using the core
components proposed here (Apache ODFSuite as Simin called it) and thus
@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 1:58:51 PM
Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the
Community?
On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
On 3 Jun 2011, at 17:52, Ian Lynch wrote:
Hi Florian,
I do see with great concern
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com
wrote:
Which is why I raised the question regarding TDF's ability to relicense
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
Just remember, we haven't yet even voted on whether or not to accept
the podling.
These are decisions the podling should be making.
They can only make those decisions if they know they have to make them. I
think it's
Your proposed text also does not recognise possibilities for collaboration
to protect the OpenOffice consumer end-user community in the interim while
your project sorts itself out.
S.
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Andreas Kuckartz a.kucka...@ping.de
wrote:
Am 02.06.2011 18:09, schrieb Jukka Zitting:
I wouldn't be too quick to throw away this opportunity to reunite the
related
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
If I were voting on this incubator proposal (and of course I know I am
not),
I would want to know that the people proposing it had a grasp of the
enormity of the task
On 3 Jun 2011, at 19:47, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
More than that, I'd like to see it as an objective to facilitate this
collaboration. There's too much talk of just giving up and treating
ideological division as a given...
Well, the ASF
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 14:50, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote on 06/03/2011 02:27:55 PM:
Your proposed text does not cover the fact that TDF/LO can lift code
from ASF into their
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:40, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
We already had subversion for some time as the repository for the main
code and it didn't work well for a project this size.
Tangential to the
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
I am not even thinking of suggesting it, any
On 3 Jun 2011, at 21:14, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Posts such as:
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3935136/LibreOffice-340-Released-as-OpenOffice-Heads-to-Apache.htm
certainly don't help. It just reinforces a perceived division
as well as almost forcing the other side to
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:11 PM, dsh daniel.hais...@googlemail.com wrote:
Besides that, I was asking myself why Rob is the only one who could
add such a tone to the proposal? If there would be consensus that open
and
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:11 PM, dsh daniel.hais...@googlemail.com
wrote
I suggest:
The LibreOffice project is an important partner in the OpenOffice.org
community, with an established potentially highly complementary focus on the
GNU/Linux community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. We
will seek to build a constructive working and technical
Given the generally positive response I've edited that text into the wiki.
S.
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Excellent. Thanks, Simon!
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 18:16, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
I suggest:
The LibreOffice project
Sorry, hit send too soon.
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Now... with that said. Consider a typical person from the ASF who
might want to do that. Say.. like myself. I don't know what list to
subscribe to. (name only one!) ... If somebody can say what list
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 19:23, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
(like our invitation to general@incubator) ... Did I miss it?
Actually I have
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On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
However I
will state that in cases where widespread use of the code is vital for
advancing the cause of free software that the Apache License, Version
2.0 is an appropriate choice:
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:09, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Jochen Wiedmann
jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote:
Excuse me for interrupting ...
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:01 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
LibreOffice uses a dual license
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:19, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
LibreOffice complements anything we do here at Apache to those who
agree with the license terms under which LibreOffice is made
available. Until or unless we resolve that issue, I feel that the
statement above would need to
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:38, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
However I
will state that in cases where widespread use of the code is vital for
advancing
On 4 Jun 2011, at 13:18, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:38, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Jun 4, 2011 2:03
On 4 Jun 2011, at 18:18, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 12:43:50PM +0100, Simon Phipps wrote:
On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:19, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
LibreOffice complements anything we do here at Apache to those who
agree with the license terms
I really can't see that as necessary Jim.
S.
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I'm aware that Sun successfully challenged a problematic third party
registration in Brazil just as the acquisition was going through. It may be
worth early investigation in case the registration on Sun's behalf was not
then completed; OOo had serious issues in Brazil over many years because of
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
No, we don't need the comprehensive list to start.
OK, that's good. It will be worth gathering a group of experts to build a
comprehensive view. I suggest that include LibreOffice developers too.
After all that, then we can
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com wrote:
Concerning the extensions, by reading the file Sam Ruby uploaded, the
following
extensions are in the grant:
snip
Thanks, I'd missed those. Reassuring :-)
I don't see the MySQL
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Niall Pemberton
niall.pember...@gmail.comwrote:
It could be argued either way. I am sure if IBM put its efforts to
LibreOffice then I'm sure it would be a great success. So why doesn't
IBM want to take part when theres a great FOSS community already in
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.orgwrote:
I don't think the proposal here is for OOo to enter incubation and then try
to copy everything that TDF/LO does. I assume the proposers have a vision
for where they want to go, even though they may be starting from
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.orgwrote:
On 6/5/11 7:49 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Richard S. Hallhe...@ungoverned.org
wrote:
I don't think the proposal here is for OOo to enter incubation and then
try
to copy everything
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.comwrote:
There is a pending trademark application for OpenOffice by Tightrope
Interactive so I am not sure that Apache OpenOffice would be acceptable
unless the pending application is turned down.
Actually that trademark
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:06 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
I would recommend altering the proposal. We have the set of files
specified in the software grant. During incubation, we will seek a
grant to the following groups of code: bullet list
Done.
Beat me to it :-) We still need
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
sanj...@opensource.lkwrote:
The people who will only contribute to a copyleft license (and I know a few
OO contributors like that) will not come over this world .. so to that
extent this is a community fork and we cannot do brand sharing as
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:37 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/05/2011 07:49:41 PM:
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
I'm not clear how safe that assumption is - that's what I have been
waiting
to see explained for quite a while actually. Rob
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:08 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/05/2011 08:38:08 PM:
The people who will only contribute to a copyleft license (and I know
a few
OO contributors like that) will not come over this world .. so to that
extent
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:29 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/05/2011 09:13:24 PM:
I think it would be great for TDF have an end-user downstream
deliverable.
It would be great if anyone open source project wants to do that. It
would
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:24 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/05/2011 08:49:19 PM:
=
I read all that Rob. Nothing in there about the plan to continue
creating,
building and delivering OpenOffice.org on all the platforms and in all
I still have no idea what you are talking about, not least since in this
place we are all individuals. But I would be quite interested to understand
why you have been trying so hard to stamp out all collaboration with the
LibreOffice part of the OOo community right from the start.
S.
On Jun 6,
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 5, 2011, at 8:17 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:06 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
I would recommend altering the proposal. We have the set of files
specified in the software grant. During
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Like most aspects of Apache, it's easier to ask for forgiveness
than to seek permission, epecially when we don't all agree on
the necessity of it ;-).
Given I had actually asked for and received permission from the
On Jun 6, 2011 2:58 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Because Apache will own the brand, we can make access to the brand
contingent on things like non-abuse of our OOo forums, among other
things.
Carrots and sticks.
Is Apache historically flexible in this area? I had the
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Phillip Rhodes motley.crue@gmail.comwrote:
Let's say we persuaded the good guys at Apache that this is a ploy to
manipulate them and they reject the code. Where then will it go? If
conspiracy is right it definitely won't be to TDF and it could be to
My apologies if this proposal is out of place on either list, but I think it's
worth thinking about early. Obviously I speak for neither Apache nor TDF but I
have a deep concern for OpenOffice.org and am very keen to see the community
healed.
Given that:
* both LibreOffice (October, Paris)
On 6 Jun 2011, at 19:03, Nóirín Plunkett wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
My apologies if this proposal is out of place on either list, but I think
it's worth thinking about early. Obviously I speak for neither Apache nor
TDF but I have a deep
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote:
However, it seems to me that October and November are still rather far
off, and with the wealth of conferences over the next two months,
perhaps we could set something up sooner than that? OSCON, anyone?
I've just asked
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote:
However, it seems to me that October and November are still rather far
off, and with the wealth of conferences over the next two months,
perhaps we
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 15:04, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's just a meeting between colleagues. If all it does is
break a little of the entrenched ice I'd call it a success.
Sure beats email for dealing
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:49 PM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/06/2011 03:18:11 PM:
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Date: 06/06/2011 03:19 PM
Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal
On Mon, Jun
I've created a wiki page for us to co-ordinate who can attend what where. Do
please edit at will, there are no rules and I am sure I made lots of
mistakes :-)
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/OOoCommunitySummit
S.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote:
Hi Jim, all,
2011/6/4 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com:
On Jun 4, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
Personally, I think Oracle's choice had more to do
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Nóirín Plunkett noi...@apache.org wrote:
Note that an expo-hall pass is free until (and including) today; it's
$25 thereafter.
This also opens up the evening events Mon-Fri,
government is estimated in 3 million).
Best,
Jomar Silva
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)
On 7 Jun 2011, at 09:22, Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org
wrote:
On 5 Jun 2011, at 23:45, Keith Curtis wrote:
...
LibreOffice will for a long time be
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.netwrote:
On 07.06.2011 12:37, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Mathias Bauer wrote:
I don't think that this is really necessary *now*, as we can do that
even better and more efficiently when we actually work on the code
from the svn
I just heard back from the Open World Forum Programme Committee (Paris,
October) and they would be pleased to provide us with space for a meeting.
S.
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:58 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Of course, this is not necessarily a problem for Apache. Think of it this
way. It would be perfectly possible, and actually quite easy for someone
to host the files with a scalable cloud storage provider, e.g., Amazon,
and
Good to know, many thanks.
S.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:
We are trying to provide all of the Oracle owned content in the OOo
repositories.
A.
On 6/7/2011 10:14 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
That's very helpful, thanks Andrew. Will Oracle also
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com
wrote:
Simon Phipps wrote:
unless either the Apache project or the LibreOffice
Are you logged in? Accounts are free (hey, they even let me have one)!
{Terse? Mobile!}
On Jun 7, 2011 10:09 PM, Jomar Silva (Cuca) homem...@gmail.com wrote:
Simon,
I've tried to edit the wiki but I don't have permisson... shame on me :)
Best,
Jomar
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:37 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote on 06/07/2011 05:50:49 PM:
Besides the content Oracle owns, it seems we could just ask the other
owners
to give the CWS's to the ASF. I mean, really... *somebody* out there
holds
the
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Jomar Silva (Cuca) homem...@gmail.comwrote:
Yep... but even logged in I couldn't edit it... I'm from the third
world, you know :)
Fascinating. Can you send me your login details privately and I'll see if
any of the folk I have on IM can help :-)
S.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Dave Fisher wrote:
Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of
the
ways
in which your funds might be used include:
•
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote:
Andrew Rist wrote:
to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V.
searching for a more complete answer
It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were
accounted for since
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:48 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM:
I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily,
http://www.frodev.org/
Interesting. That happens to also be where TDF donations go
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote:
Andrew Rist wrote:
to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V.
searching for a more complete answer
It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were
accounted for since
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:43 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Don Harbison
Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative
Tel. +1-978-399-7018
Mobile: +1-978-761-0116
Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com
Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote on 06/08/2011 07:51:20 PM:
From: Simon Phipps si
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote:
Andrew Rist wrote:
to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V.
searching for a more complete answer
It would be interesting to find out if all
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:07 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
In the same regard, the Team OpenOffice.org e.V. to which IBM and other
corporate sponsors provided annual financial support may now wish to
consider consolidation with http://www.frodev.org/. If that seems
inappropriate,
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
This is great information. But can I make a suggestion? I don't think
this is a discussion that we can really make any progress with now, in
reviewing an incubation proposal. I'm not even sure this is something
that will be
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com
wrote:
IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL)
filled room that issues edicts to remove features and veto patches
For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way,
please?
S.
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way,
please?
S
+1 (non-binding)
S.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote:
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)
On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com
wrote:
The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for
the ODF format
Presumably though the private list is an exception-handling venue and we
should just get started on ooo-...@incubator.apache.org for now? Or am I
missing key insights here?
S.
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