beware of design* by committee. the outcome will never be good...
Upayavira
* graphic/aesthetic design, that is
On Friday, October 07, 2011 1:15 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Maurizio Cucchiara
mcucchi...@apache.org wrote:
Hi Christian
rather than the cause of problems?
Just thoughts.
Upayavira
On Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:41 AM, David Crossley
cross...@apache.org wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
The Incubator ReportingSchedule needs better management.
At the moment it is manually maintained
the right
level to take on more.
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be managed by
the Foundation.
As to whether Git can be used, we have an experiment happening. Folks
who want to see Git adopted can help with that experiment.
Upayavira
On Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:49 PM, Leo Neumeyer
leoneume...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm curious if you also discussed using
So on what date do you want the notification to go out?
Upayavira
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:47 PM, Noel J. Bergman
n...@devtech.com wrote:
PLEASE NOTE!
From the ASF Board:
For now on, all reports to the board for review/inclusion at the
board meetings will now be due 1 WEEK
Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign'
the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used
as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor?
Upayavira
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 08:10 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson
I was even thinking something like 'miss two reports, you're no longer a
mentor', but that might be a bit draconian :-)
I know I would fail according to the above criteria. But I suspect a
clear minimum would help keep me at least minimally connected.
Upayavira
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM
I'll throw in a late +1.
Upayavira
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 03:18 PM, Peter Karman wrote:
After 72+ hours, the VOTE is closed with 6 binding +1s, no 0s or -1s.
Binding +1:
Chris Hostetter (Mentor)
Mike McCandless
Alan D. Cabrera
Joe Schaefer (Mentor)
Chris Mattmann (Mentor
+1
Upayavira
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 01:26 PM, Ate Douma wrote:
Hi IPMCers and Incubator community,
Apache Rave entered the Incubator almost 1 year ago on March 1st 2011.
Since then Rave provided 7 incubator releases, added 3 more
committers/PPMC
members, and shows a steady growth
You are right, it was stuck in moderation. The email is now too old for
ezmlm to still be remembering it, and something has changed with the
ezmlm scripts behind the scenes, meaning I can't just add Jim to the
allow list. I'll try to figure it and get it sorted.
Upayavira
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012
I resigned as a Stanbol mentor, and Tommaso took over soon after Tommaso
became an ASF member.
So podlings.xml is wrong there.
Upayavira
On Sun, May 13, 2012, at 01:40 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, May 3
He says the incubator wiki page, as the homepage says, folks must ask
here first.
Upayavira
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012, at 04:34 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
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Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 7:46 AM
To: general
Not really. Generally it is best for a vote to be a proof of consensus,
especially for bigger topics (like graduation).
And I certainly would add a -1 vote were a project attempting to
override a mentor.
Upayavira
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 09:53 AM, Patrick Hunt wrote:
Isn't this why we vote
We have discussed these two topics (committers and releases) around the
time of this report, but did not update the report to note this.
I hope the conversation will continue, and that wave will have more to
report for its next report.
Upayavira
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 01:32 PM, Ross Gardler
tell me your username on the wiki and I'll add you...
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 09:32 AM, sebb wrote:
On 9 June 2012 02:46, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 June 2012 02:38, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote:
sebb wrote:
As the subject says: is there any need for a separate
Ask infra to add it as a cron task.
Upayavira
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 09:29 AM, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote:
On 29/06/2012 09:14, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote:
On 29/06/2012 01:04, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Francesco Chicchiriccò
ilgro...@apache.org
Done
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
MarcelOffermans
On Jul 3, 2012, at 23:10 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
Can someone please (re)grant me write access to the incubator wiki? I
to agree.
Typically where a project graduates to is a graduation time decision,
not an incubator entry decision, so it seems reasonable that the
incubator sponsors a project until the right destination is agreed, even
if the destination may seem obvious when incubation begins.
Upayavira
a handful of people who really get it. I would
posit that one outcome of Jukka's suggestion is a simplified release
process, which is likely to be understandable to a larger number of
mentors, meaning you address your core issue.
Just a thought.
Upayavira
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 04:48 PM, Marvin
Reading the issue, it mentions that the Zimbra plugin is done in
Javascript. The Drupal faq says:
Images, JavaScript, and Flash files that PHP sends to the browser are
not affected by the GPL because they are data
Could the Drupal plugin also be done in Javascript?
Upayavira
On Wed, Sep 12
a technically valid or
useful release. That said, a release that is full of holes might
actually have the counter-intuitive effect of drawing in fresh
developers who want to fix those holes.
Upayavira
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 02:01 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote:
Is there anything that could be released
to the copyright holder (assuming they knew it was there at all).
Upayavira
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
If you've not released it and you've deleted it from HEAD of all
branches, I think you're fine.
Noah Slater wrote on Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 23:09:45 +0100:
Okay cool
issues that exist before
code is checked in.
Upayavira
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 01:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Podling frequently check in dubious IP as part of initial imports, and
then clean up HEAD later. I've never seen any evidence of a more
thorough extirpation
This is something I recall from clarifications by Roy some while back -
made a lot of sense to me. I'm not aware of it being documented
anywhere, nor am I aware of it having been collectively agreed. If we
can work out where, I'd be happy to write it up.
Upayavira
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 01:35
good question, and probably one for legal-discuss.
It seems that most of the time deleting from svn is enough, although
that's not a definitive statement!
Upayavira
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
We have a situation with CloudStack where we have some jars that we do
with. It is not uncommon for
mentors to feel stretched, and thus might appreciate some help with
their mentoring duties.
Upayavira
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 06:19 AM, Luciano Resende wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
Hi!
ever since Bigtop has
.
Upayavira
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 03:20 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
I want to thank all of you for the vote(s) of confidence in recommending me
as the IPMC chair. While it's always possible that the Board
Yes, true, but any invitation to communicate such difficulties is
welcome IMO.
Upayavira
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 02:37 AM, Tim Williams wrote:
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
First of several reminders:
For podlings reporting in December
I hereby note my sign off of the wave report, and ask for a volunteer to
update the wiki page on my behalf. My currently available technology is
simply not up to the task.
Thx, Upayavira
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 04:03 PM, Yegor Kozlov wrote:
I signed off the report for Openmeetings.
Yegor
in the process of
incubation, less later) and if after a few nags they don't do it, then
DNR is just fine.
Upayavira
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 09:04 AM, David Crossley wrote:
Tim Williams wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
Personally, I'm not against nagging. Actually, when I'm on the receiving
end, I usually appreciate it, as timeliness is not a quality I am widely
praised
, which could well be just the feeling that they have
contributed something of value to the world.
Upayavira
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Gary Martin wrote:
On 24 January 2013 18:52, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
If you model the IPMC as a group of volunteers who have
sense, as these are people they
are going to be working with.
Just some reflections.
Upayavira
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Josh Wills wrote:
I thought that the need for diversity referred to the community, not to
the
mentors.
I strongly advocate for newly incubating projects choosing
into its own. The process of
creating a new community and integrating one into another are completely
different tasks that require differing approaches.
Have I got it right?
Upayavira
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 05:52 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
Hi Dave,
On 2/27/13 9:44 AM, Dave Fisher
of the discussion that happened around the time
when the JIRA tick-box was removed: it isn't needed.
Upayavira
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
Hi
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Matthieu Morel mmo...@apache.org
wrote:
Hi,
In the S4 project we have some
Done
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 08:49 PM, Devaraj Das wrote:
Could I please get write access on the wiki content under
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/. My username is DevarajDas.
Thanks
Devaraj
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, let's not force out people who are having a bad month or
something, but surely we should only be listing as mentors those that
are actually paying some attention to the podling?
Upayavira
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
I'd suggest a different approach, the motivation
X, and I see myself listed with
karma on projects I mentored, which gives me kudos in the outside world.
I'd personally rather not loose that kudos, it is kinda cool. Yet, do we
want to 'give that' in return for zero activity? Did they really mentor
project X?
Upayavira
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 07
votes through,
requiring votes from incubator PMC members who are not particularly
focused on the podling.
Solve that, and the idea has merit in my eyes.
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sure it is largely undocumented. I
suspect that generally speaking it is incubator PMC members that do
shepherding, but if someone reads reports and provides useful analysis,
I suspect this will be greatly appreciated.
Upayavira
the breakup of the PRC
did??
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On Sun, Mar 31, 2013, at 07:12 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
We need one set who are 'incubator people' and another who are 'mentors'.
Disenfranchising mentors and hoarding power within a small circle of IPMC
aristocrats
to articulate the
problems do you see the incubator as having, that need to be solved?
That is, without (yet) suggesting how it should be fixed?
I'd be very curious to hear how you see it.
Upayavira
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013, at 02:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
Hi Niall,
First off, thanks
This is an interesting idea. It does, however, assume that the person
who starts a thread is able to be sufficiently neutral to represent the
whole story, rather than their own particular take on it. Such
summarisation is something of an art.
Upayavira
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013, at 02:15 PM, Alan
You could add an {acl} entry to the top of the page restricting write
access to AdminGroup - that'd achieve making it read-only.
Upayavira
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013, at 03:53 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
wrote:
Does http
for authorisation for
everyone to the relevant part of SVN. There is an ofbiz group present in
the authorisation file, but the group currently has no members, i.e
no-one can commit at the mo.
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project, as onlookers or mentors. If they had three mentors, it would be
relatively easy to get the required three +1 votes from PMC members.
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I am, I suspect, the person in question. As you might guess, Upayavira
isn't my legal name, but the one I was given when ordained as a Buddhist.
I signed an iCLA with my legal name, and for-warned Jim that I would
prefer to be known as Upayavira. He
?
Upayavira
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Subj: Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry
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Date: Thu 13 Jul 2006 21:40
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Cliff Schmidt wrote:
On 7/13/06, David Blevins [EMAIL
upgraded its Confluence install? (Jeff Turner already has a dump of the
wiki)
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be found at:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WicketProposal)
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= Wicket Proposal =
This proposal outlines the creation of a new top-level Wicket project
within the Apache Software Foundation.
== Rationale ==
Wicket is a unique web application framework that focusses on bringing
Leo Simons wrote:
Nice proposal. Seems like a no-brainer. More Dutchies at apache is
always a good thing ;)
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 04:54:15PM +0100, Upayavira wrote:
=== Versions ===
Wicket currently has three versions of their code base, 1.2 (the current
release), 1.3 (planned) and 2.0
is that a new
community might be incubated (assuming no other issues)?
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On 29/07/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Time scale for Wicket 2.0 is to start out releasing betas within two
months. We plan to finish Wicket In Action the next few months - say
october
process.
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my explanations above help.
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On 8/6/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/5/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/4/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eelco Hillenius wrote:
I understand that there are some specific
.
Upayavira, who could be wrong, though.
On Aug 10, 2006, at 2:27 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/participation.html is currently a
draft document. i think that it's strong enough to push towards
promoting it (and putting it in the indexes).
please find
remaining concerns that
they feel need to be addressed before feeling able to vote +1?
Thanks in advance.
Upayavira
[1]http://www.mail-archive.com/wicket-develop@lists.sourceforge.net/index.html#08853
[2]http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WicketProposal
@lists.sourceforge.net/index.html#08808
Below is the complete proposal for this project.
So, please cast your votes:
[ ] +1 Accept Wicket as an Incubator podling
[ ] 0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Reject this proposal for the following reason:
Regards, Upayavira
- o -
= Wicket
Searching for '[VOTE]' on the wicket archives isn't enough to find the
relevant vote :-(
Here's the correct link:
http://www.mail-archive.com/wicket-develop@lists.sourceforge.net/index.html#08853
Upayavira
Upayavira wrote:
Folks,
Without further ado (and before my PC dies again), I'd like
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On 8/24/06, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...=== Name ===
Obviously, the
...
Looks like something's missing on that line, it ends after Obviously,
the.
Not having a good day. That was where I started saying that I'd done a
US trademark search that showed
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 8/24/06, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ ] +1 Accept Wicket as an Incubator podling
[ ] 0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Reject this proposal for the following reason:
FYI: this is a majority vote not subject to vetos. So, there's no
requirement that you provide
Oops. I guess I should vote :-)
[X] +1 Accept Wicket as an Incubator podling
Upayavira
Upayavira wrote:
Folks,
Without further ado (and before my PC dies again), I'd like to call a
vote on accepting Wicket into the incubator.
As previously mentioned, the Wicket community held
The vote has now, IMO, had enough time to run.
To summarise, we had 8 binding +1s, from Leo Simons, Alex Karasulu,
Jason van Zyl, Justin Erenkrantz, Don Brown, Yoav Shapira, Robert
Burrell Donkin, Upayavira, and one binding -0 from Greg Stein.
We also had eight non-binding +1s.
This means
for receiving a software donation to
an existing TLP.
That's my take.
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is for
graduation, and when ready, graduate it to the Jackrabbit TLP, just like
any other incubating project (Jackrabbit PMC vote, incubator PMC vote,
etc, etc).
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being mentors, but apart
from that, if the podling committers/PPMC members want you (a vote would
show that), then, well, you're in. Add yourself to the podling's status
page as a mentor.
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Rodriguez, Marcel Offermans, Alex Karasulu,
Upayavira, Karl Pauls, Rob Walker, Richard Hall, Francesco Furfari
Non-binding committer votes:
Stefan Frenot, Didier Donsez, Manuel Santillan, Humberto Cervantes
Non-binding community votes from:
Glyn Normington, Niclas Hedhman, Jose L Ruiz, BJ
nowadays. -- justin
So how does Felix proceed now? Accept that the rules have just changed
on it, after spending some months under the view that a release _wasn't_
necessary to graduation, and go back and do something it would have done
months ago had it not been told to do otherwise?
Upayavira
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 9/13/06, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So how does Felix proceed now? Accept that the rules have just changed
on it, after spending some months under the view that a release _wasn't_
necessary to graduation, and go back and do something it would have done
for Felix until such a time
as we have resolved any outstanding issues.
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On 9/13/06, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So how does Felix proceed now? Accept that the rules have just changed
on it, after spending some months under the view
we dig an ASL 1 licensed tomcat servlet spec from SVN/CVS and
relicense it as AL2.0?
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integrity).
However, if those on the PPMC wanted some help with the actual process
of preparing the release - testing, building, etc, that is up to those
PPMC members, and maybe there is some way you can help there.
Does that make sense?
Regards, Upayavira
the infrastructure (svn, mailing lists, ...).
Software grant must be received before code can be imported into SVN.
Other infra can be set up now (assuming a status page exists, which I
think you've done).
Regards, Upayavira
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:48:26
of the old repo can be found.
If it just wants to import the latest code, as you are now (or soon will
be) on the incubator PMC, you should be able to create the root Ivy
directory yourself. Maybe just need to get yourself added to the
incubator-pmc group.
Regards, Upayavira
block all commit access to the repository, then a simple zip
should do the job, If I understand correctly.
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Xavier Hanin wrote:
On 11/1/06, Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Xavier Hanin wrote:
On 11/1/06, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 31/10/06, Xavier Hanin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does Ivy want to import history, or just the latest code?
An history import would be nice
to do with handling
load. However, the autoexport plugin has worked around this, so there is
no general objection to using Confluence as a wiki, although there is a
general awareness that it can be used either as a document editing
system, or as a public wiki.
Regards, Upayavira
there first.
Gwyn,
There's also something that someone like yourself can do - which is pick
someone you know (who visited you at your house recently) who is a
member and does have privs and bug them with lots of good patches. :-)
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releases.
Yes, but it is confusing if you look at the thread about voting on
0.9.6. If 0.9.7 isn't available. Can we have 0.9.6.1 as the next
iteration of the 0.9.6 release?
Upayavira
On Nov 21, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Marc Prud'hommeaux wrote:
William
Good point, but since the trunk (from which
I'm new to this judging releases game, so I apologise if I'm missing the
mark, but...
If ActuveMQ is incubating, shouldn't the filename of the release reflect
that?
Upayavira
James Strachan wrote:
+1
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+1 though I'd consider making
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unresolved issues that should block graduation.
Therefore, as a mentor for Felix, I vote +1 for graduation (with the
board resolution including myself as a PMC member)
Regards, Upayavira
Richard S. Hall wrote:
The Felix community feels that we are ready for graduation, as
indicated
as a contribution, not as a dependency.
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William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Upayavira wrote:
I'd add clarification about 'committing third party code' with reference
to libraries. I should be able to commit the latest log4j jar without
having to do any jira nuisance. This is about committing the code itself
as a contribution
unfamiliar with it.
+1 to graduating log4net.
is the source in the incubator repository?
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/log4net/
Presumably it predates the time when incubating subprojects had their
code in the incubator repo.
Upayavira
,
against your own name.
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Martin Ritchie wrote:
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Martin Ritchie wrote:
Hi,
Just saw the review updates on the board reports.
Are we supposed to respond on the wiki? or just next report time?
If an IPMC member has made a comment about your project and you have
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communities that join us.
I've no idea where you are based geographically, but if you could make
it to an ApacheCon conference, that is usually a good place to get to
know people and for them to get a sense of you and your project.
Good luck.
Regards, Upayavira
that can go into official ASF repositories.
As Robert suggested, creating mini repo in your home directory on
people.a.o is really the best bet.
Regards, Upayavira
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On 4/23/07, kelvin goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had some recent
Recommend to the board to establish Apache Wicket
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You could cc it to, say, the wicket-private list. That is a private list
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On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Upayavira wrote:
The implication here is that, if we consider the IPMC to have the role
of overseeing podlings
Is there an if there? ;-) That *is* the job of the Incubator PMC,
and it is the sole holder of that role
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Regards, Upayavira
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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
Upayavira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is my understanding that, if a PMC has voted to accept a
subproject, no IPMC vote is required.
That is only the case on ENTRY, not EXIT.
Okay. Apologies. My bad.
Hmm, http://incubator.apache.org/guides
+1. I look forward to seeing it develop.
Upayavira
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 10:03 -0800, Brian McCallister wrote:
Shindig Proposal
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= Abstract =
Shindig will develop the container and backend server components
for hosting OpenSocial applications.
= Proposal =
Shindig will develop
)
That's my thoughts.
Regards, Upayavira
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On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 12:16 -0800, Craig L Russell wrote:
Hi Upayavira,
On Nov 26, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Upayavira wrote:
I think that Someone needs to be responsible for these things, and I
don't see that the IPMC in general or the IPMC chair specifically
needs to have anything to do
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