[RESULT 2nd try][VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-07-03 Thread Bernd Fondermann
Ok, let give this a second try: I count the following +1: Chris Mattmann, Alan Cabrera, Bill Rowe, Bernd Fondermann (all binding), Owen O'Malley (in process of being added to Incubator PMC) Greg Reddin, Jerome Boulon, Leif Hedstrom (non-binding). There were no other explicit votes cast. However,

Re: [Result][Vote] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-07-01 Thread Bernd Fondermann
Just a second. (Dropping TO gene...@hadoop.a.o.) Please don't confuse DISCUSSION and VOTE. BTW, it's best practice for a Incubator proposal (or any other type of initiative at Apache) to first have a DISCUSSION or PROPOSAL thread, and then have a vote afterwards, when thread hijacking is less

Re: [Result][Vote] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-07-01 Thread Chris Douglas
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Fair point. The naming debate is only about the location of the project in svn and the mailing lists, right? Conducting the vote with this variable has become more arduous than all the INFRA and site

Re: [Result][Vote] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-07-01 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Fair point. The naming debate is only about the location of the project in svn and the mailing lists, right? Conducting

Re: [Result][Vote] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-07-01 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 7/1/2010 11:19 AM, ant elder wrote: I've been suggesting it would be simpler for Chukwa to go directly to TLP but if thats not going to happen then you have my support to incubate if thats what they really want to do, and I agree a new vote might making things clearer. It seems a shame to

[Result][Vote] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-30 Thread Eric Yang
Original incubator proposal: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChukwaProposal Vote put forward to incubator: 1. recommend TLP with guides to help the initial pmc, 2. accept incubating with tlp resource naming, but -incubating release naming 3. accept incubating requiring all incubator naming

Re: [Result][Vote] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Guys, My recommendation would be Option #1 - I think you guys would be OK as a TLP with some guidance, I'm not sure the Incubator will add anything that you guys can't learn on your own as a TLP with some mentorship from Incubator PMC'ers or ASF members helping you (Owen is an ASF member

Re: [Result][Vote] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-30 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Jun 30, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On 6/30/10 9:42 AM, Eric Yang ey...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Original incubator proposal: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChukwaProposal Vote put forward to incubator: 1. recommend TLP with guides to help the initial pmc, 2. accept

Re: [Result][Vote] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Welp, I think Owen is probably the best judge here since he has seen them in Hadoop-ville, and since he probably is way more familiar with the code and its eventual PMC members than I am. I'll amend my VOTE then. +1 to Incubation, with TLP-naming (in other words, option #2). I'll try and join

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-27 Thread Ariel Rabkin
I agree with Jerome and Chris. I also would opt for plan #2: incubation with TLP names. --Ari On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: I agree with the analysis from Jerome and Greg. All three of Chukwa's current committers are its original contributors. An

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:21 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@apache.org wrote: On 6/23/2010 8:12 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:45, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO we should insist on using the incubator naming for the Chukwa website/svn/MLs because I think

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread Eric Yang
+1 for 1. Regards, Eric On 6/24/10 12:21 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@apache.org wrote: On 6/23/2010 8:12 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:45, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO we should insist on using the incubator naming for the Chukwa website/svn/MLs

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 21:21, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@apache.org wrote: On 6/23/2010 8:12 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:45, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO we should insist on using the incubator naming for the Chukwa website/svn/MLs because I think

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/25/2010 3:55 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 21:21, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@apache.org wrote: Is anyone in agreement with ant? Otherwise we should just move ahead and can hold a separate vote on allowing tlp resource creation at this time. If the proposers want

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread Greg Reddin
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Yes, it seems that Hadoop PMC should supervise the vote for the chair, with a slightly frustrating cc list of all of the actual committers to chukwa. That way, nominations and votes for chair are archived on a

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread Jerome Boulon
Hi, As one of the initial contributor, I still think that the incubator road is the good one even if it's just for a short period of time. The incubator will gives us the ability to get some committers outside of the initial group of people and to mature the project. When we will have reach

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread Chris Douglas
I agree with the analysis from Jerome and Greg. All three of Chukwa's current committers are its original contributors. An important- and often difficult- part of Apache community is growing and managing the developers working on the project. Some experience adding people in the Incubator would be

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/25/2010 12:40 PM, Chris Douglas wrote: But the Incubator doesn't just say yes/no. We can refer this back to Hadoop proposing this as a TLP, and even offer the list of mentors as observers, or members of the initial PMC. The Hadoop PMC is wholly unqualified to manage Chukwa. It voted

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-25 Thread Chris Douglas
I meant, purely in terms of Hadoop putting forward the TLP motion to the board, with incubator's endorsement.  But let's let options play out and find out what incubator recommends first.  I wasn't suggesting that Hadoop would have some additional responsibilities here, in terms of mentoring

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-24 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/23/2010 8:12 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:45, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO we should insist on using the incubator naming for the Chukwa website/svn/MLs because I think Chukwa should just go directly to a TLP and if they have to use the incubator

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-24 Thread Ariel Rabkin
Hrm. I think my preference is for 1 or 2. Given that Chukwa already has a fair bit of infrastructure up and running, seems like fewer renames is better and would reduce user confusion. --Ari On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:21 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@apache.org wrote: On 6/23/2010 8:12 AM,

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-23 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 07:54, Eric Yang ey...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Besides DOAP file and the incubator nomenclature, I may need help identify the addition responsibilities for Apache PMC.  One problem, Chukwa community did not have a vote for PMC Chair because we are not sure what is the right

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-23 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 19:29, Eric Yang ey...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Please vote as to whether you think Chukwa should move to Apache incubator. +1

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-23 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 07:54, Eric Yang ey...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Besides DOAP file and the incubator nomenclature, I may need help identify the addition responsibilities for Apache PMC.  One problem,

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-23 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:45, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 07:54, Eric Yang ey...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Besides DOAP file and the incubator nomenclature, I may need help

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-22 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 19:29, Eric Yang ey...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Please vote as to whether you think Chukwa should move to Apache incubator. The proposal is posted at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChukwaProposal It's best practice to post the full proposal to the list, to have a

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-22 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 23:37, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/21/2010 12:29 PM, Eric Yang wrote: Please vote as to whether you think Chukwa should move to Apache incubator. The proposal is posted at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChukwaProposal +1 +1 Added myself

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-22 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/22/2010 2:42 AM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/21/2010 1:31 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote: On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Chukwa has been around for a while now and from my (albeit limited)

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-22 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 09:42, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/21/2010 1:31 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote: On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Chukwa has been around for a while now

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-22 Thread Eric Yang
Besides DOAP file and the incubator nomenclature, I may need help identify the addition responsibilities for Apache PMC. One problem, Chukwa community did not have a vote for PMC Chair because we are not sure what is the right process for this. Meanwhile, I have been writing quarterly report

[VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-21 Thread Eric Yang
Please vote as to whether you think Chukwa should move to Apache incubator. The proposal is posted at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChukwaProposal Thanks Regards, Eric

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-21 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Guys, Chukwa has been around for a while now and from my (albeit limited) impression, pretty successful. What's the rationale for going the Incubator route rather than putting up a Board TLP resolution? Just wanted to check, thanks guys! Cheers, Chris On 6/21/10 10:29 AM, Eric Yang

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-21 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/21/2010 1:31 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote: On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Chukwa has been around for a while now and from my (albeit limited) impression, pretty successful. What's the rationale for going the Incubator route rather than putting up a Board TLP

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-21 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Owen, +1, sounds good. Cheers, Chris On 6/21/10 11:31 AM, Owen O'Malley omal...@apache.org wrote: On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Chukwa has been around for a while now and from my (albeit limited) impression, pretty successful. What's the rationale for

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-21 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
+1 Regards, Alan On Jun 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Eric Yang wrote: Please vote as to whether you think Chukwa should move to Apache incubator. The proposal is posted at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChukwaProposal Thanks Regards, Eric

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-21 Thread Leif Hedstrom
On 6/21/10 11:29 AM, Eric Yang wrote: Please vote as to whether you think Chukwa should move to Apache incubator. The proposal is posted at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChukwaProposal +1 (non-binding). Cheers, -- Leif

Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator

2010-06-21 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Jun 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Eric Yang wrote: Please vote as to whether you think Chukwa should move to Apache incubator. The proposal is posted at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChukwaProposal +1 - To unsubscribe,