Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
I don't plan on continuing this thread. dIon, it certainly seems to me that at the present time you are going to great lengths to try to twist things to their worst possible meaning. Perhaps it is time that we all take a break and calm down. Majority vote simply means what it means. It certainly does not mean that any one individual can veto a release simply because they don't like another person. Jakarta has a number of cases where certain individuals did not care for one another, and yet even in the most difficult of times, I have found that the participants have acted like adults and releases were made. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/03/2003 10:24:53 AM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 AM: I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in community-based software development. I too would like to see some changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that I'd actually like to see. The remainder of which, I'm not certain that the Jakarta community of the whole has control over. One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its participants, even its prinicipal participant. Personally, I mark my graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself from the situation rather than the other way around. Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims under the current PMC? I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening. Given the context, I can only presume that Andy was referring to emails such as this one [1]. If I am incorrect, I expect Andy will correct me. Given [2] and [3], I would have thought it reasonably obvious that this was not intended for public review, and that Jason was unusually stressed by family events. This is the second time that particular email has been referenced without context, which I find a little inconsiderate to both Nicola and Jason, given the cirumstances. But anyways, Jason is not a project (James is :) ), and, as on most other jakarta projects, one person doesn't make the decisions. Personality conflicts and that one person doesn't 'get along' with another is something that we all learn to deal with in real life. That it happens @ Apache should be of no great surprise. I don't expect the Jakarta Project, or the ASF, to be perfect, and will work around the issues that crop up. Other people will do what they see as right. How will the new PMC stop this from happening? I have not specified a timetable for this change to occur (I am being very careful and deliberate in the evolotion of the current structure of Jakarta to conform to the wishes of the ASF board), but the direction Jakarta is heading is to make the release votes of any software from Jakarta to be the purvue of the PMC. In other words, only PMC members can issue binding votes on such matters. Note that such votes are by design majority votes, so are not subject to veto. What does this mean, exactly? That if the Jakarta PMC doesn't like the behaviour of one person on a project, they will veto the release of software that the person was involved in creating? I'm hoping I misunderstand you on this. [2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448423329090&w=2 [3] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448469829716&w=2 -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog Work: http://www.multitask.com.au -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog Work: http://www.multitask.com.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 18:33, Nick Chalko wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > >On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 05:12, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the > >chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here. > > > > > > Jason, > In light of your comments in > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448400328715&w=2 > can you, if you become the Jakarta PMC chair, collaborate with Nicola > Ken Barozzi. I'm sure I could find a way but it's not likely that I will ever be the chair of Jakarta. -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/03/2003 10:24:53 AM: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 AM: > > > >>I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a > >>word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in > >>community-based software development. I too would like to see some > >>changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that > >>I'd actually like to see. The remainder of which, I'm not certain that > >>the Jakarta community of the whole has control over. > >> > >>One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude > >>Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its > >>participants, even its prinicipal participant. Personally, I mark my > >>graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather > >>the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my > >>personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself > >>from the situation rather than the other way around. > > > > Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims > > under the current PMC? > > > > I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are > > currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening. > > Given the context, I can only presume that Andy was referring to emails > such as this one [1]. If I am incorrect, I expect Andy will correct me. Given [2] and [3], I would have thought it reasonably obvious that this was not intended for public review, and that Jason was unusually stressed by family events. This is the second time that particular email has been referenced without context, which I find a little inconsiderate to both Nicola and Jason, given the cirumstances. But anyways, Jason is not a project (James is :) ), and, as on most other jakarta projects, one person doesn't make the decisions. Personality conflicts and that one person doesn't 'get along' with another is something that we all learn to deal with in real life. That it happens @ Apache should be of no great surprise. I don't expect the Jakarta Project, or the ASF, to be perfect, and will work around the issues that crop up. Other people will do what they see as right. > How will the new PMC stop this from happening? I have not specified a > timetable for this change to occur (I am being very careful and > deliberate in the evolotion of the current structure of Jakarta to > conform to the wishes of the ASF board), but the direction Jakarta is > heading is to make the release votes of any software from Jakarta to be > the purvue of the PMC. In other words, only PMC members can issue > binding votes on such matters. Note that such votes are by design > majority votes, so are not subject to veto. What does this mean, exactly? That if the Jakarta PMC doesn't like the behaviour of one person on a project, they will veto the release of software that the person was involved in creating? I'm hoping I misunderstand you on this. [2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448423329090&w=2 [3] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448469829716&w=2 -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog Work: http://www.multitask.com.au -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog Work: http://www.multitask.com.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 05:12, Sam Ruby wrote: I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here. Jason, In light of your comments in http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448400328715&w=2 can you, if you become the Jakarta PMC chair, collaborate with Nicola Ken Barozzi. -- Nick Chalko Show me the code. Centipede Ant + autodownloadable build plugins + needed jars autodownload. http://krysalis.org/centipede - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 AM: I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in community-based software development. I too would like to see some changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that I'd actually like to see. The remainder of which, I'm not certain that the Jakarta community of the whole has control over. One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its participants, even its prinicipal participant. Personally, I mark my graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself from the situation rather than the other way around. Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims under the current PMC? I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening. Given the context, I can only presume that Andy was referring to emails such as this one [1]. If I am incorrect, I expect Andy will correct me. How will the new PMC stop this from happening? I have not specified a timetable for this change to occur (I am being very careful and deliberate in the evolotion of the current structure of Jakarta to conform to the wishes of the ASF board), but the direction Jakarta is heading is to make the release votes of any software from Jakarta to be the purvue of the PMC. In other words, only PMC members can issue binding votes on such matters. Note that such votes are by design majority votes, so are not subject to veto. Before this change occurs, I have been supporting the efforts of various subprojects to become independent projects, and to significantly expand the membership of the Jakarta PMC. Furthermore, I expect that the resolution to establish the Maven PMC will be satisfactorily resolved long before the change I describe above is put into place. Note: even if there is a chairman change for Jakarta, the chairman would still need to address the same concerns of the ASF board in this matter. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog Work: http://www.multitask.com.au [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448400328715&w=2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Another unused import statement report is out...
> I still don't understand what the hubub about unused imports is about. The goal is not really to check for unused imports (it's a "nice-to-have") but IMO to regularly (every night?) use a tool to check the quality of the code. If you care about the details (like unused imports), chances are that you care about more important things (like tests, unused variables, unused methods...). Once all the projects have discovered PMD (or another similar tool) and that the unused imports are fixed, we can report other (more interesting) things like unused variables, unused private methods, use interfaces in signatures, define at least one constructor... This will really increase the quality/readability of the code. The "unused imports" stuff is just the beginning, not the end. My 2 cents -Vladimir -- Vladimir R. Bossicard www.bossicard.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 AM: > I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a > word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in > community-based software development. I too would like to see some > changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that > I'd actually like to see. The remainder of which, I'm not certain that > the Jakarta community of the whole has control over. > > One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude > Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its > participants, even its prinicipal participant. Personally, I mark my > graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather > the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my > personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself > from the situation rather than the other way around. Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims under the current PMC? I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog Work: http://www.multitask.com.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another unused import statement report is out...
> >assertTrue("Whoa, doSomething returned a non-Fred type!", doSomething()
> >instanceof Fred);
When the test fails, you don't have a lot of information (like the class
returned by doSomething) to debug your code.
Using JUnit-addons, you would code your assertion:
ObjectAssert.assertInstanceOf(Fred, doSomething());
The error message will be something like:
"expected instance of class: but was of class "
at least you have something to start your debug session.
-Vladimir
PS: junit-addons.sf.net
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
I nominate Sam Ruby with whom I sometimes (often would be far too strong of a word) disagree with, but whose integrity and belief in community-based software development I always respect. I too would like to see some changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that I'd actually like to see. The remainder of which, I'm not certain that the Jakarta community of the whole has control over and the others I feel I can hopefully convince him of over time. If I cannot then I One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of a project's participants, even its prinicipal participant. Personally, I mark my graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself from the situation rather than the other way around when cooperation is not possible. Yesterday was a good day :-P -Andy Sam Ruby wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: Sorry Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl. Also, how is the chair position being selected now? By peer PMC members or by the entire body of Jakarta committers? Technically, the chair position is chosen by the board. In practice, the board gives great value to the desires of the project. Historically, votes on the chair has been done by votes of the PMC members. I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here. Excellent. The next board meeting is the 19th. My suggestion is that current PMC members nominate individuals that they believe should be on the PMC by the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be complete on the 12th. This is to be followed this up with nominations for chair from people in the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th. An election where every member of the PMC has one vote, will then commence, to be completed on the 18th. If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes to be known, I can ask the board for an independent set of participants to tally the votes. In any case, I can inform the board of the results (potentially jointly with my intended successor) on the 19th. How does this sound? - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
coding conventions.
What does everyone think? My thoughts are clearly expressed in sourcecode. I have consistantly renamed things which were referred to differently to what I thought was clearer (for instance XF record is called ExtendedFormatRecord). I'm not sure it will be practical in this case. On the whole though, my thoughts on coding conventions are also clearly expressed in sourcecode. My preference for voting on such conventions are by outcoding and out-readible-coding others. Meaning the easiest way to enforce your viewpoints on others is to write more/better source than them. To prove your point that K&R bracket style is indeed clearer, write clearer code than them which utilizes this style. As much bitching as they may wish to proclaim, they know secretly in their hearts that my coding style is the predominant one. Therefore, the course of action is simple. Begin writing lots of new functionality and unit tests. Obviously as a newcomer you can't just submit patches which are entirely reformatting/renaming, but you can submit patches which provide new functionality which others will apply due to their desire to see this functionality incorporated. (Patches with entirely comments will also be greatly accepted of course). If someone disagrees, their course of action is equally simpleout-contribute you. I find this method of discussing conventions prefferable to ending up in bikeshed and religious discussions about coding conventions. My votes are in... (find src/java -name *.java -exec grep -i 'acoliver' |wc -l) :-D -jAndy.c.pl.awk _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in community-based software development. I too would like to see some changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that I'd actually like to see. The remainder of which, I'm not certain that the Jakarta community of the whole has control over. One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its participants, even its prinicipal participant. Personally, I mark my graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself from the situation rather than the other way around. Yesterday was a good day :-p -Andy Sam Ruby wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: Sorry Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl. Also, how is the chair position being selected now? By peer PMC members or by the entire body of Jakarta committers? Technically, the chair position is chosen by the board. In practice, the board gives great value to the desires of the project. Historically, votes on the chair has been done by votes of the PMC members. I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here. Excellent. The next board meeting is the 19th. My suggestion is that current PMC members nominate individuals that they believe should be on the PMC by the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be complete on the 12th. This is to be followed this up with nominations for chair from people in the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th. An election where every member of the PMC has one vote, will then commence, to be completed on the 18th. If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes to be known, I can ask the board for an independent set of participants to tally the votes. In any case, I can inform the board of the results (potentially jointly with my intended successor) on the 19th. How does this sound? - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Ant 1.5.2 Released!
Sigh! I guess you are being redirected to a mirror which is still not upto-date. While the mirrors play catch-up, please visit: http://www.apache.org/dist/ant/ and http://www.apache.org/dist/ant/README.html for the release notes. btw, I wonder why you have changed mailing lists. Jakarta General is not the place to discuss this. I may not even be subscribed to this, you know? ;-) Cheers, Magesh * Criminal: A guy no different from the rest * * ...except that he got caught. * - Original Message - From: "James Cheesman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: RE: [ANN] Ant 1.5.2 Released! > Hi Magesh > > > The release notes link on the bindownload page refers to the 1.5.1 version. > > (And I can't believe that I installed ant for the first time in over a year > this morning... just before you release a new version. Typical ;) > > > Regards, > Jim > > > -Mensaje original- > > De: Magesh Umasankar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Enviado el: lunes, 03 de marzo de 2003 16:37 > > Para: Ant Developers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Asunto: [ANN] Ant 1.5.2 Released! > > > > > > Hi, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is pleased to announce the general availability > > of Ant 1.5.2. This is primarily a maintenance release. > > You may download it by visiting: > > > > http://ant.apache.org/bindownload.cgi > > > > For a list of changes from the 1.5.1 release to this one, > > please view the WHATSNEW file that ships with the > > distribution. > > > > Your feedback is of immense value. Please let [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > know of any issues you find by either posting it > > to the developer's list or by entering a BugZilla > > report at http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla > > > > Cheers, > > Magesh > > > > * > > * There are two types of people in this* > > * world, good and bad. The good sleep * > > * better, but the bad seem to enjoy the* > > * waking hours much more. - Woody Allen* > > * > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] Ant 1.5.2 Released!
Hi Magesh The release notes link on the bindownload page refers to the 1.5.1 version. (And I can't believe that I installed ant for the first time in over a year this morning... just before you release a new version. Typical ;) Regards, Jim > -Mensaje original- > De: Magesh Umasankar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enviado el: lunes, 03 de marzo de 2003 16:37 > Para: Ant Developers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Asunto: [ANN] Ant 1.5.2 Released! > > > Hi, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is pleased to announce the general availability > of Ant 1.5.2. This is primarily a maintenance release. > You may download it by visiting: > > http://ant.apache.org/bindownload.cgi > > For a list of changes from the 1.5.1 release to this one, > please view the WHATSNEW file that ships with the > distribution. > > Your feedback is of immense value. Please let [EMAIL PROTECTED] > know of any issues you find by either posting it > to the developer's list or by entering a BugZilla > report at http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla > > Cheers, > Magesh > > * > * There are two types of people in this* > * world, good and bad. The good sleep * > * better, but the bad seem to enjoy the* > * waking hours much more. - Woody Allen* > * > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC
+1 - Morgan --- Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The next board meeting is the 19th. My suggestion > is that current PMC > members nominate individuals that they believe > should be on the PMC by > the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be > complete on the 12th. > > This is to be followed this up with nominations for > chair from people in > the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th. > An election where > every member of the PMC has one vote, will then > commence, to be > completed on the 18th. > > If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes > to be known, I can > ask the board for an independent set of participants > to tally the votes. > > In any case, I can inform the board of the results > (potentially jointly > with my intended successor) on the 19th. > > How does this sound? > > - Sam Ruby > = Morgan Delagrange http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs http://jakarta.apache.org/commons http://axion.tigris.org http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
