Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-03 Thread Morgan Delagrange
+1

- Morgan

--- Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip/
 The next board meeting is the 19th.  My suggestion
 is that current PMC 
 members nominate individuals that they believe
 should be on the PMC by 
 the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be
 complete on the 12th.
 
 This is to be followed this up with nominations for
 chair from people in 
 the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th.  
 An election where 
 every member of the PMC has one vote, will then
 commence, to be 
 completed on the 18th.
 
 If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes
 to be known, I can 
 ask the board for an independent set of participants
 to tally the votes.
 
 In any case, I can inform the board of the results
 (potentially jointly 
 with my intended successor) on the 19th.
 
 How does this sound?
 
 - Sam Ruby
 


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RE: [ANN] Ant 1.5.2 Released!

2003-03-03 Thread James Cheesman
Hi Magesh


The release notes link on the bindownload page refers to the 1.5.1 version.

(And I can't believe that I installed ant for the first time in over a year
this morning... just before you release a new version. Typical ;)


Regards,
Jim

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 You may download it by visiting:

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 For a list of changes from the 1.5.1 release to this one,
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Re: [ANN] Ant 1.5.2 Released!

2003-03-03 Thread Magesh Umasankar
Sigh!  I guess you are being redirected to a
mirror which is still not upto-date.  While
the mirrors play catch-up, please visit:

http://www.apache.org/dist/ant/

and

http://www.apache.org/dist/ant/README.html
for the release notes.

btw, I wonder why you have changed mailing lists.
Jakarta General is not the place to discuss this.
I may not even be subscribed to this, you know? ;-)

Cheers,
Magesh



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Subject: RE: [ANN] Ant 1.5.2 Released!


 Hi Magesh


 The release notes link on the bindownload page refers to the 1.5.1
version.

 (And I can't believe that I installed ant for the first time in over a
year
 this morning... just before you release a new version. Typical ;)


 Regards,
 Jim

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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] is pleased to announce the general availability
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  You may download it by visiting:
 
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 
I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain that 
the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.

One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude 
Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 
the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 
from the situation rather than the other way around. 

Yesterday was a good day :-p

-Andy

Sam Ruby wrote:

Jason van Zyl wrote:


Sorry Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl.


Also, how is the chair position being selected now? By peer PMC members
or by the entire body of Jakarta committers?


Technically, the chair position is chosen by the board.  In practice, 
the board gives great value to the desires of the project. 
Historically, votes on the chair has been done by votes of the PMC 
members.

I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the
chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.


Excellent.

The next board meeting is the 19th.  My suggestion is that current PMC 
members nominate individuals that they believe should be on the PMC by 
the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be complete on the 
12th.

This is to be followed this up with nominations for chair from people 
in the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th.   An election 
where every member of the PMC has one vote, will then commence, to be 
completed on the 18th.

If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes to be known, I can 
ask the board for an independent set of participants to tally the votes.

In any case, I can inform the board of the results (potentially 
jointly with my intended successor) on the 19th.

How does this sound?

- Sam Ruby

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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I nominate Sam Ruby with whom I sometimes (often would be far too strong 
of a word) disagree with, but whose integrity and belief in 
community-based software development I always respect.  I too would like 
to see some changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the 
changes that I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not 
certain that the Jakarta community of the whole has control over and the 
others I feel I can hopefully convince him of over time.  If I cannot then I

One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude 
Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of a 
project's participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I 
mark my graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition 
rather the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom 
my personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract 
myself from the situation rather than the other way around when 
cooperation is not possible.

Yesterday was a good day :-P

-Andy

Sam Ruby wrote:

Jason van Zyl wrote:


Sorry Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl.


Also, how is the chair position being selected now? By peer PMC members
or by the entire body of Jakarta committers?


Technically, the chair position is chosen by the board.  In practice, 
the board gives great value to the desires of the project. 
Historically, votes on the chair has been done by votes of the PMC 
members.

I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for 
the
chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.


Excellent.

The next board meeting is the 19th.  My suggestion is that current 
PMC members nominate individuals that they believe should be on the 
PMC by the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be complete 
on the 12th.

This is to be followed this up with nominations for chair from people 
in the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th.   An election 
where every member of the PMC has one vote, will then commence, to be 
completed on the 18th.

If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes to be known, I 
can ask the board for an independent set of participants to tally the 
votes.

In any case, I can inform the board of the results (potentially 
jointly with my intended successor) on the 19th.

How does this sound?

- Sam Ruby

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Re: Another unused import statement report is out...

2003-03-03 Thread Vladimir R. Bossicard
 assertTrue(Whoa, doSomething returned a non-Fred type!, doSomething()
 instanceof Fred);

When the test fails, you don't have a lot of information (like the class
returned by doSomething) to debug your code.

ads
Using JUnit-addons, you would code your assertion:

   ObjectAssert.assertInstanceOf(Fred, doSomething());

The error message will be something like:

  expected instance of class:Fred but was of class WHATEVER

at least you have something to start your debug session.
/ads

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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-03 Thread dion
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 AM:

 I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
 word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
 community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
 changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 
 I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain that 
 the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.
 
 One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude 
 Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
 participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
 graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 
 the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
 personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 
 from the situation rather than the other way around. 

Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims 
under the current PMC?

I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are 
currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening.

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RE: Another unused import statement report is out...

2003-03-03 Thread Vladimir R. Bossicard
 I still don't understand what the hubub about unused imports is about.

The goal is not really to check for unused imports (it's a nice-to-have) but
IMO to regularly (every night?) use a tool to check the quality of the code.  If
you care about the details (like unused imports), chances are that you care
about more important things (like tests, unused variables, unused methods...).

Once all the projects have discovered PMD (or another similar tool) and that the
unused imports are fixed, we can report other (more interesting) things like
unused variables, unused private methods, use interfaces in signatures, define
at least one constructor... This will really increase the quality/readability of
the code.

The unused imports stuff is just the beginning, not the end.

My 2 cents

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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-03 Thread Sam Ruby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 AM:

I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 
I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain that 
the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.

One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude 
Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 
the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 
from the situation rather than the other way around. 
Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims 
under the current PMC?

I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are 
currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening.
Given the context, I can only presume that Andy was referring to emails 
such as this one [1].  If I am incorrect, I expect Andy will correct me.

How will the new PMC stop this from happening?  I have not specified a 
timetable for this change to occur (I am being very careful and 
deliberate in the evolotion of the current structure of Jakarta to 
conform to the wishes of the ASF board), but the direction Jakarta is 
heading is to make the release votes of any software from Jakarta to be 
the purvue of the PMC.  In other words, only PMC members can issue 
binding votes on such matters.  Note that such votes are by design 
majority votes, so are not subject to veto.

Before this change occurs, I have been supporting the efforts of various 
subprojects to become independent projects, and to significantly expand 
the membership of the Jakarta PMC.

Furthermore, I expect that the resolution to establish the Maven PMC 
will be satisfactorily resolved long before the change I describe above 
is put into place.

Note: even if there is a chairman change for Jakarta, the chairman would 
still need to address the same concerns of the ASF board in this matter.

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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-03 Thread Nick Chalko
Jason van Zyl wrote:

On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 05:12, Sam Ruby wrote:
 

   

I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the
chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.
 

Jason,
In light of your comments in 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104448400328715w=2
can you, if you become the Jakarta PMC chair, collaborate with Nicola 
Ken Barozzi.

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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-03 Thread dion
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/03/2003 10:24:53 AM:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 
AM:
  
 I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
 word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
 community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
 changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 

 I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain 
that 
 the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.
 
 One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically 
exclude 
 Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
 participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
 graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 

 the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
 personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 

 from the situation rather than the other way around. 
  
  Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these 
aims 
  under the current PMC?
  
  I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are 
  currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening.
 
 Given the context, I can only presume that Andy was referring to emails 
 such as this one [1].  If I am incorrect, I expect Andy will correct me.

Given [2] and [3], I would have thought it reasonably obvious that this 
was not intended for public review, and that Jason was unusually stressed 
by family events.

This is the second time that particular email has been referenced without 
context, which I find a little inconsiderate to both Nicola and Jason, 
given the cirumstances.

But anyways, Jason is not a project (James is :) ), and, as on most other 
jakarta projects, one person doesn't make the decisions.

Personality conflicts and that one person doesn't 'get along' with another 
is something that we all learn to deal with in real life. That it happens 
@ Apache should be of no great surprise. I don't expect the Jakarta 
Project, or the ASF, to be perfect, and will work around the issues that 
crop up. Other people will do what they see as right.

 How will the new PMC stop this from happening?  I have not specified a 
 timetable for this change to occur (I am being very careful and 
 deliberate in the evolotion of the current structure of Jakarta to 
 conform to the wishes of the ASF board), but the direction Jakarta is 
 heading is to make the release votes of any software from Jakarta to be 
 the purvue of the PMC.  In other words, only PMC members can issue 
 binding votes on such matters.  Note that such votes are by design 
 majority votes, so are not subject to veto.
What does this mean, exactly? 
That if the Jakarta PMC doesn't like the behaviour of one person on a 
project, they will veto the release of software that the person was 
involved in creating? I'm hoping I misunderstand you on this.


[2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104448423329090w=2
[3] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104448469829716w=2
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-03 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 18:33, Nick Chalko wrote:
 Jason van Zyl wrote:
 
 On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 05:12, Sam Ruby wrote:
   
 
 
 
 
 
 I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the
 chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.
   
 
 
 Jason,
 In light of your comments in 
 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104448400328715w=2
 can you, if you become the Jakarta PMC chair, collaborate with Nicola 
 Ken Barozzi.

I'm sure I could find a way but it's not likely that I will ever be the
chair of Jakarta.

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coding conventions.

2003-03-03 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
What does everyone think?


My thoughts are clearly expressed in sourcecode.  I have consistantly 
renamed things which were referred to differently to what I thought was 
clearer (for instance XF record is called ExtendedFormatRecord).  I'm 
not sure it will be practical in this case.  On the whole though, my 
thoughts on coding conventions are also clearly expressed in sourcecode.

My preference for voting on such conventions are by outcoding and 
out-readible-coding others.  Meaning the easiest way to enforce your 
viewpoints on others is to write more/better source than them.  To prove 
your point that KR bracket style is indeed clearer, write clearer code 
than them which utilizes this style.  As much bitching as they may wish 
to proclaim, they know secretly in their hearts that my coding style is 
the predominant one.  Therefore, the course of action is simple.  Begin 
writing lots of new functionality and unit tests.  Obviously as a 
newcomer you can't just submit patches which are entirely 
reformatting/renaming, but you can submit patches which provide new 
functionality which others will apply due to their desire to see this 
functionality incorporated.  (Patches with entirely comments will also 
be greatly accepted of course).

If someone disagrees, their course of action is equally 
simpleout-contribute you.  I find this method of discussing 
conventions prefferable to ending up in bikeshed and religious 
discussions about coding conventions.  My votes are in...  (find 
src/java -name *.java -exec grep -i 'acoliver' |wc -l)

:-D

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