Re: [VOTE] Move Jakarta to the Attic; close down Jakarta PMC
+1 -- dims On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > A joint vote to retire Jakarta into the Attic and to ask the board to > close down the PMC. > > [ ] +1 > [ ] -1, because > > Hen > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org > > -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP
Should it be commons4j.apache.org? (j = java or jakarta)? am not worried about the java package name... thanks, dims On 5/14/07, Stephen Colebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Travelling ATM, limited internet My preference is for a java-only commons.apache.org. I don't see that as scary or unreasonable. My +1 is based on that assumption. Also, from a practical matter, our projects already use org.apache.commons, so this is already recognised in the ASF. Stephen From: Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If moving commons TLP is just a "twisted" (maybe a bad choice of a word) way to come back to jakarta.apache.org in the end, I am -1 on the TLP move.. We currently have 2 projects moving TLP (Turbine and POI) and after that we need to start thinking about every other project at Jakarta. So if the goals is to make commons Jakarta, we should aim for that, instead of artificially trying to accomplish that. If I am not mistaken the real goals/questions are : - Fix oversight issues - Be more transparent for the board - Move towards a community with the same focus (= eg reusable java components) - Be able to say in one sentence what Jakarta is about (is consequence of above) - See where we can fit project that are in maintenance mode or not actively supported anymore. - How to handle projects that don't fit well within the new focus, but work pretty well as part of Jakarta (are people waiting for being on eg 15 PMC's to be able to support these projects) - And Apache wide : is there only a place for projects that have a "healthy" community ? Mvgr, Martin Danny Angus wrote: > On 5/14/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As my random suggestion that Ted quoted points out, you can have a PMC >> without their having to be TLP. Least I was told that a couple of >> years ago either on board@ or face to face, so we could do the >> following: >> >> * Create the Jakarta Commons PMC, without changing the website (or >> even the svn maybe). >> * Continue to encourage Jakarta subprojects to move to TLP, go into >> maintenance or move over to other PMCs. >> * Reach a point at which we can end the Jakarta PMC, or federate or >> whatever. > > Do you mean that the resources can then be handed over to the > Jakarta-commons (or whatever) PMC? > I'm in favour of that idea, jakarta==jakarta-commons is the option > which I think makes most sense of all for the future of Jakarta. > > 1/ it preserves a valuable brand > 2/ commons embodies the original ethos of Jakarta > 3/ commons (as we've seen hints of) still actively depends (c.f > passively benefiting) upon the Jakarta brand. > > To close down the project and hand the "brand" to another PMC would > also meet all but the most draconian interpretation of what the reorg@ > discussions suggested needed to be done about the problem of Jakarta. > > d. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP
+1 On 5/8/07, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 Niall On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect. > > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP. > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution > > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added > your name yet. > > [ ] +1 I support the proposal > [ ] +0 I don't care > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because... > > Voting will close in one week. > > Hen > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Move POI to TLP
+1 On 5/4/07, David Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Call me a non-binding +1. Thanks to all for the POI! It is delicious! Thanks to Nick for the leadership! Regards, Dave Fisher On May 4, 2007, at 4:17 AM, Nick Burch wrote: > Hi All > > After lots of discussion within POI, and Jakarta in general, we > think POI > is ready to graduate to its own TLP. Thanks to the magic of ApacheCon, > lots of people have been on-hand to help finalise the proposal for > this, > which is attached below. > > So, now is the time to vote on the proposal: > [ ] +1 I support the proposal > [ ] +0 I don't care > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because... > > Voting will close in one week. > > Cheers > Nick > > > >WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management >Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of >open-source software related to the continued implementation of >the library for manipulating files in various business formats >currently known as Apache POI for distribution at >no charge to the public. > >NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management >Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache POI Project", be > and > hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and > be it further > >RESOLVED, that the Apache POI Project be and hereby is > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related > to creation and maintenance of open-source software and > documentation >related to the POI library based on software licensed to >the Foundation; and be it further > >RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, POI" be and >hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at >the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the >Apache POI Project, and to have primary responsibility for > management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of > the Apache POI Project; and be it further > >RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and >hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the >POI PMC: > > * Nick Burch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Amol S. Deshmukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Jason Height <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Marc Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Rainer Klute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Yegor Kozlov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Danny Muid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Avik Sengupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Glen Stampoultzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Sean Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Nick Burch >be appointed to the office of Vice President, POI, to serve >in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of >Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, >resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until >a successor is appointed; and be it further > >RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache >POI sub-project and encumbered upon the Apache Jakarta >PMC are hereafter discharged. > > --------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Move Turbine to TLP
+1 On 4/29/07, Rahul Akolkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 -Rahul On 4/28/07, Scott Eade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Turbine project has been discussing a proposal to the board that the > Turbine projects leave the Jakarta umbrella and become their own top > level project. We are now at the point in the process that calls for a > vote to take place. > > The proposal is available at: > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-turbine/TLPTurbine > > For the interested, most of the discussion took place in the following > thread: > http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS--TLP--tf3574436.html > > Here are the vote options: > [ ] +1 I support the proposal > [ ] +0 I don't care > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because... > > Voting will close in one week. > > Thanks, > > Scott > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: POI TLP -- constructively
+1. take a break :) -- dims On 12/18/06, Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I really liked hearing Avik speak up because he's been hurting for awhile and not spoken up. It was Nick's first release, cut him some slack. POI has been around since 2001, in Apache since 2002. It is nearly 2007. Talks of mentoring us or incubating us are a little patronizing and insulting (multiple of us our even members of the foundation though I forget who). Much of the thread is about bashing us and bashing me in particular which I stupidly reacted to partly out of fatigue. I appologize for that, I've been very busy launching http://buni.org and planning our corporate structure. It is fair to say that not many POI people participate in Jakarta. However, to add perspective we never joined the "Jakarta as it is" -- we joined Jakarta as it was...and one day this formed around us. It is fair to criticize our build...it is pretty rusty and yucky. I do however thing focusing too much on it is a bit well...mean. Nick has been doing a great job and a lot of work. (I on the other hand will have to merge my patches into SVN before I can even commit them since they're off of CVS :-P ). However it was his first release. Moreover, Apache's "release policies" have evolved considerably since the last official release and none of us have a valid signed key...that needs to be rectified (laziness, don't like conventions where all the cool key signing parties). We're not the only one's guilty of kinds of neglect. Our own Marc Johnson (who cofounded the project) has been extremely frustrated at the lack of responsiveness in getting his access/etc in order and no one at POI seems to be able to jerk the right chain in Apache to make that happen (and I think he requested from this PMC with no effect). So much that he's given up! In any case, legal issues aside (which have to a good degree abated, but take yourself back 5 years) I really don't want POI to really merge into Jakarta (which is really now the successor to Jakarta Commons) and I don't think the majority of the committers do either. On the other hand, I really don't think POI by itself can be a TLP as its scope is too narrow (historically this was deliberate). I also don't think that parts of POI have much of a future as we're moving to an XML formats era, but other parts certainly do. Partly because of projects like POI, Microsoft is even moving. Once the default is to save in an XML format then will anyone really care about POI "as it is" as more than a migration tool. That being said, there is considerable interest in unified APIs for each of these verticals (spreadsheets, documents, etc) and considerable life in POI with a very active userbase. Many people dealing with data formats have asked for common APIs for the various verticals that output to the various formats. Moreover, many of us are no longer as single minded with regards to Java as we once were (POI ruby for example). And achieving API compatibility across these could be interesting. I therefore propose this: * Jakarta PMC has the responsibility to not call more votes on restructuring POI during the next X months. (Access or otherwise) * POI committers have responsibility for achieving the proper oversight procedures and putting out a new release in the next X months * POI committers have responsibility for putting together a TLP proposal and working out a consensus. (BTW that pretty much is batting 1000 on this: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/JakartaPMCRequestTLPBenchmark) Full disclosure: I've also submitted a counter proposal to the committers as an alternative to leave apache entirely. However thus far most folks seem to value POIs association with Apache and the opportunities afforded them, even if they find it "difficult to work with" as one person stated in response. I suspect TLP status would alleviate some of the mutual snags between apache and POI (for one we could get poor Marc his access back despite him having sent in his CLA now like 3 times including when the project moved to Apache and for two we'd be sending our reports in ourselves and thus have to do more proper oversight). However, PLLEEAASS let's press the PAUSE button until January 3rd so that we can all get very drunk and open presents rather than jerk each other's chains in front of a computer on a mailing list. -Andy Andrew C. Oliver Buni Luni http://buni.org --------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Three votes of PMC members required
+1 from me. -- dims On 10/15/06, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, AFAIK the policy is still that three votes of PMC members are required. In other words, may I point you to http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=11606631873 and ask kindly for positive votes? (Unless you have reason for negative votes, of course.) Jochen -- My wife Mary and I have been married for forty-seven years and not once have we had an argument serious enough to consider divorce; murder, yes, but divorce, never. (Jack Benny) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [intent] Retiring Alexandria
+1 from me. On 8/17/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that the Incubator has the right concept/label in retiring projects, so I plan to create a link on the right hand side of the Jakarta site called Retired Projects and to create a retired page that contains links to the Alexandria site and the java.apache.org site. If anyone feels -1-like, then go for it else I'll do it on Friday evening. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: svn commit: r427283 - in /jakarta/site: docs/index.html docs/site/downloads/downloads_commons-modeler.html docs/site/news/news-2006-q2.html docs/site/pmc/board-report-june2006.html docs/site/rss.x
Thanks Rahul!!! -- dims On 7/31/06, Rahul Akolkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Author: dims > Date: Mon Jul 31 14:20:16 2006 > New Revision: 427283 > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=427283&view=rev > Log: > update news and downloads for commons modeler 2.0 > > Modified: >jakarta/site/docs/index.html >jakarta/site/docs/site/downloads/downloads_commons-modeler.html >jakarta/site/docs/site/news/news-2006-q2.html The Commons Modeler announcement should go into a (new) q3 page. >jakarta/site/docs/site/pmc/board-report-june2006.html The above file is missing the eol-style property. Since I've to post the Commons SCXML announcement now, let me see if I can correct both. -Rahul >jakarta/site/docs/site/rss.xml >jakarta/site/news.xml >jakarta/site/xdocs/downloads/downloads.xml > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[modeler] RC2 for Commons Modeler
Hi Team, Here's the new cut of commons modeler (RC2): http://people.apache.org/~dims/commons-modeler-1.2rc2/ I've tried to incorporate all the feedback so far. So, please kick the tires and send some more :) thanks, dims - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [modeler] Cutting a release for Commons Modeler
I've cut a svn tag as well: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/commons/proper/modeler/tags/MODELER_1_2_RC1/ thanks, dims On 7/14/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Team, I'd like to help cut a release of 1.2 of Commons-Modeler as requested by the Geronimo team [1]. Here's some of the prep work that went into updating the maven dist target [2]. An RC1 is available for review at: http://people.apache.org/~dims/commons-modeler/ Thanks, dims [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg80641.html [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-commons-dev/200607.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers) -- Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[modeler] Cutting a release for Commons Modeler
Team, I'd like to help cut a release of 1.2 of Commons-Modeler as requested by the Geronimo team [1]. Here's some of the prep work that went into updating the maven dist target [2]. An RC1 is available for review at: http://people.apache.org/~dims/commons-modeler/ Thanks, dims [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg80641.html [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-commons-dev/200607.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Commons-modeler release request
Team, Am willing to do the necessary. Can we have some +1's? Here's my +1 for a 1.2 release. David, Please find a dated jar in the snapshot maven repo that you can use in the interim: http://people.apache.org/repository/commons-modeler/jars/ thanks, dims On 5/24/06, David Jencks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Geronimo-Tomcat integration has some problems with the last released version I can find, commons-modeler-1.1.jar, released 10 aug 2003. These problems are detailed at http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ GERONIMO-1999 and http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi? id=39521 Briefly, an incompatibility with the jsr-77 spec was fixed a long time ago, and we've found a synchronization problem and recently provided a patch that appears to fix it. We're getting the Geronimo 1.1 release ready and would really like to use an officially released jar of commons-modeler rather than having to copy the code into geronimo svn and produce a custom jar from that. Could anyone take a look at the patch, apply it if it appears OK, and work on getting a 1.2 release of commons-modeler out? Many thanks, david jencks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Remove SVN restrictions
+1 On 3/27/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vote to remove the SVN barriers within Jakarta such that all jakarta-* > groups are merged into the one jakarta group with the exception of > jakarta-hivemind, jakarta-slide, jakarta-cactus and jakarta-jmeter under > the assumption that they are moving to having their own PMCs. Tapestry is > already within its own auth group. > > [ ] +1 > [ ] -1 > > If your -1 is only for a particular subproject (ie: you don't care what > the rest of Jakarta does, feel free to say so). > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
+1 to kill it. On 2/7/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As per the previous email, I'd like to raise the question of killing the > vendor support page. With Tomcat moving to TLP, there's even less Jakarta > support here than before. Mainly it's Ant, Struts, Log4j, Tomcat and HTTP > Server. > > Alternatively, we could attempt to make it a Java support page for Apache > products, or even talk to someone - probably the board, maybe prc - about > having an Apache version of this. However, I think that doing it ourselves > is probably outside our scope and I suspect there won't be a huge amount > of interest Apache-wide to having such a database of vendors. > > Any thoughts? > > Hen > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Jakarta Http Components
+1 from me. On 10/20/05, peter royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 20, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > > So, period of comments now over, let's go ahead and vote on the > > creation of a Jakarta Subproject named Http Components with the > > following initial charter: > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-httpclient/NewProjectCharter > > > > > > [X] +1 > [ ] -1 > > -pete > > > > -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VOTE: Tomcat -> TLP
[ x ] +1 Vote in support On Apr 7, 2005 12:12 PM, Mladen Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ x ] +1 Vote in support > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Jakarta PMC Member > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?
Yes, Noel. i have the same feeling that Stephen has: "it seems likely (based on emails to the thread from Tomcat committers) that this PR release would have been a non-issue. " So the tomcat committers would be doing it on their own terms. with no one pushing them. Quote from Mladen's email: "so many Chairmans and Directors with opposite statements" Quote from Costin's email makes me think that they are ready for it: "If tomcat would be a top level project instead of jakarta-tomcat, most likely Remy would be the PMC chair. Acording to ASF rules, the PMC chair is the ultimate decision maker for a project." And i love the quote from Remy: ""more code, less politics" So i'd say what is the benchmark for TLP? If the tomcat committers want it and show the will to do it. Why not? The only question in my mind is do they want it? thanks, dims On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:56:54 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dims, > > The new TLP would be expected to address the same issues, and to work with > the PRC and other parts of the ASF, but they'd be more immediately > associated with them, too. > > --- Noel > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?
Pros: - Tomcat pmc will be responsible for all its actions and decisions - Report directly to board every quarter - No meddling from outsiders (jakarta-general folks and others (read jakarta pmc) from the peanut gallery :) - Top Level domain - http://tomcat.apache.org/ - One of pmc members can become a VP - Tomcat committers (via pmc) will have full control over all affairs including what to name the thingy :) Cons: - Can't think of any off the top of my head. -- dims On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:27:32 +0100, Henri Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP. > > As I said in tomcat-dev, it was proposed when ant became TLP and at > this time the consensus was to stay under jakarta umbrella. > > What motivate the move to TLP now. > > Regards > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:16:51 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mladen Turk wrote: > > > > > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > I am not aware of any complaints regarding your technical contributions. > > > > > Cool, means so much to me. > > > I also have no complaints on your technical skills :) > > > > My observation, not opinion, was in response to your expressing concern that > > there would be outside opposition based upon you and Remy working for JBoss. > > As far as I'm aware, no one has ever complained about a contribution biasing > > the product for JBoss. And, as you had pointed out, there are two of you > > and many others with veto rights. In fact, although I have not looked to do > > a body count, my belief is that Tomcat is more balanced than Beehive, Derby, > > Lenya or XMLBeans, to name a few. > > > > > > If anything, I am more likely to feel sorry for you and Remy > > > > getting caught in the crossfire. > > > > > Please don't sorry me, and don't insult my intelligence. > > > > I'm mystified as to how you could derive the latter from my comment. > > > > --- Noel > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Remy, +1 to "more code, less politics" :) No one is gonna kick you out. All of us are in this mess together :) :) -- dims On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:24:34 +0100, Remy Maucherat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Jagielski wrote: > > That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :) > > > > But I would agree that other companies have occasionally > > crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both > > companies "associated" with ASF projects and external > > companies that have no ties or links at all. In those > > cases we (the ASF and/or the projects affected) have > > requested retractions/corrections/removals/etc... > > > > And as I've mentioned before, I don't think there's > > anyone here who has not been misquoted or mis-represented > > (by journalists or over-eager PR types) to the extent > > where they were embarassed-to-angry about it. I *know* > > it's a struggle. I'm not trivializing it in the least. > > Great, so you manage to sneak by an assertion that a line have been > crossed here. Cool debate ;) > The small mistake made on our wesite has been made by the entire Java > industry. The person who wrote the page (it was not me) just made the > same mistake everyone else did, period. Nobody is actually confused by > it (since they were already confused), and there are no issue about > confusion with another product. > > At this point, how about simply kicking me out and ending the problems > faster ? Just one quick vote on board@ and any future issues disappear > magically. > > I will not repent/apologize/atone/change my behavior, etc, nor ask my > company to repent/apologize/atone/change its behavior, since I think > they made all the necessary adjustments already. One thing is certain: I > will not bother wasting my time to defend my company or myself in this > kind of ridiculous thread. I already sent a couple emails with simple > explanations when it was requested. > > My personal view on the ASF is that I should do "more code, less > politics", which seems to bring more value. As a result, I am at the > mercy of the politician gang ... Feels like real life, though ;) > > Rémy > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Remy, FWIW, see my efforts to protect "Apache WSS4J": http://www.google.com/search?q=apache.org+wss4j+bilal+site:xml.com&hl=en&lr=&filter=0 -- dims On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:58:08 +0100, Remy Maucherat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote: > > > >> And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from > >> people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). > > > > I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the > > accuracy of what anyone is saying? I would also wager that > > if it had been any other company with any other ASF project, > > there would have been just the same discussion. > > Cool :) > > What if I, on the opposite, contend that if it had been any other > company with any other ASF project, nobody would have bothered ? > > Can you prove me wrong ? > > Rémy > > ----- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Bill, i shared my 2 cents as am on the jakarta pmc :) -- dims On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:20:33 -0800, Bill Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Jagielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change > > > Henri Yandell wrote: > >> > >> > >> It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to > >> discuss something, a completely true piece of investigative journalism. > >> There are definitely parts of Commons where a little bit of investigation > >> could point out that "Yes, on DBUtils 1.0, David Graham was the lead > >> developer" (Sorry David :) ). > >> > > > > That may be true, but certainly we do have the right and responsibility > > to ensure that our desires, as far as how we run and represent ourselves, > > is accurate as well. > > > > It has always been a major foundation of the ASF that projects > > are built and developed by communities, not individuals. > > Terms such as "lead" or "main" do cause harm to the community > > and have always been actively avoided. > > > > And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that > aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). > > > -- > > === > > Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ > >"There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) listed above as > the intended recipient(s), and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and > CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not read, copy, > or distribute this message or any attachment. If you received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and then > delete all copies of this message and any attachments. > > In addition you should be aware that ordinary (unencrypted) e-mail sent > through the Internet is not secure. Do not send confidential or sensitive > information, such as social security numbers, account numbers, personal > identification numbers and passwords, to us via ordinary (unencrypted) e-mail. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Tim, AFAIK, Neither the Apache Board nor the Jakarta PMC has engaged JBoss or taken a stand on the situation. Whereas folks top down in JBoss have consistently sang the same tune. I personally faced this situation at WS-Edge 2005 (http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=46047) when Marc brought this up in a public forum (and me and geir remained silent on the issue). So, in your opinion, the Apache Board and Jakarta PMC should stay out of this *AS USUAL* (Please note that as individuals people can do what they want and the Board nor the PMC has any control). Right? -- dims On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:06:50 -0500, Tim O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Torsten Curdt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > As a matter of fact we have quite some committers in our > > community that are sponsored by the companies they are > > working for. Who is able to define whether who is the > > "leading" or "main" contributor? I would not want to risk > > picking the wrong one and pissing off other contributors. So > > either name them all or drop this classification. Terms like > > "main" or "leading" > > are a problem. > > > > Again, anyone outside of the ASF is allowed to make any observations > they feel are warranted - regardless of ASF corporate policy. It might > fly in the face of what the ASF wants, but it doesn't make the statement > valid or invalid. Whether the PRC agrees with "a leading", "the > leading", "a main", "the main", makes little difference. SD can say > what they say; the real issue is the relationship between the ASF and > JBoss. > > People at the ASF are so "worked up" over JBoss in particular (and vice > versa). Every time someone outside of both ASF and JBoss just makes an > observation that JBoss is a leading contributor, we set up the PR > machine and launch off some emails, maybe a few people will go over to > the TSS forums and blow up at Jboss people, and I could expect a few > nasty blog rants from both sides. I just don't think it's constructive, > that's all. Believe me now or hear me later - there are good things to > be gained from calming this situation down a little. > > Tim > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Rémy, You will probably need to resend the CCLA...i can't find in the regular location where ccla's are recorded. - Can u please explain what you mean by "current attitude"? - Are u saying that Tomcat is *NOT* really "Apache Tomcat"? - Are you saying that we need to formalize a mechanism to figure out which company is a leading contributor to a certain project? thanks, dims PS: Remember, i was with you last time there was a blow up about certain contributions to Tomcat. On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:04:44 +0100, Remy Maucherat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Henri Yandell wrote: > > Due to the timeliness of this, I plan to send it Sunday night. Given > > that we're on a weekend, I doubt it will be read until Monday. > > > > Any opinions? > > I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at > JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an > individual at the moment, and (as far as I can remember, as it was a > while ago ...) have submitted a company CLA reflecting that > (http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas). Anyway, it is obvious Apache has > the notion of company contributions. Stating otherwise is wrong, and > does not match the legal documents the ASF uses. > > I think continuing with the current attitude would only lead my company > to reevaluate its involvement in ASF projects, and I could not really > blame them if they did. Of course, this may be what some people here > seek (hopefully, it is not and it's just my paranoia at work). > > Rémy > > --------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leading Contributor?
Tim, This is a *VERY* slippery slope. All of us are committers at Apache on a personal basis and our employment is no bearing on our committer status. Remember, they (or anyone for that matter) else can fork Tomcat (and call it by any name they want and do whatever they want) if they crave publicity. IF they want to do joint publicity, they can of course contact the prc and make as much press releases to their heart's content. This is not the right way to do it. -- dims On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tim O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yep, I think the only major request we can have here is that > > it be called Apache Tomcat and not just Tomcat. The 'leading > > Tomcat contributor' is just plain wrong, someone has been > > listening to JBoss press releases. As far as I know, JBoss as > > a company is not a contributor to the ASF, it merely employs > > some people who happen to be. So we don't even have to focus > > on the 'leading' as an issue, JBoss fail the 'contributor' too. > > > > Henri, some of this is word mincing. The facts, as I see them, are that > Jboss does employ individuals to work on Tomcat full-time. We shouldn't > be discouraging this effort and, as long as we guarantee the product is > called "Apache Tomcat", what harm is derived from noting that JBoss does > contribute to the development of Tomcat? > > ----- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MIRAE(JSR 172)
Sorry. was supposed to be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- dims On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:58:49 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is this a Jakarta thing? Or something that should either be > general@ws.apache.org or at the Incubator? > > Hen > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > > jira, svn and ml are all taken care of. > > > > -- dims > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:55:41 -0800 (PST), Thavarajah Kurinchikumaran > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> We have finished the implementation of MIRAE(JSR 172) and other > >> associate stuffs such as Samples, Test Cases, Documentation, etc. > >> > >> I think the svn, jira and other necessary stuffs are not created yet. > >> Could you please setup these as soon as possible. > >> > >> Thank you very much. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Kurinchikumaran > >> > >> ----- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MIRAE(JSR 172)
jira, svn and ml are all taken care of. -- dims On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:55:41 -0800 (PST), Thavarajah Kurinchikumaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > We have finished the implementation of MIRAE(JSR 172) and other > associate stuffs such as Samples, Test Cases, Documentation, etc. > > I think the svn, jira and other necessary stuffs are not created yet. > Could you please setup these as soon as possible. > > Thank you very much. > > Regards, > Kurinchikumaran > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS Karma Request for Jakarta site
:) Nice to meet u too -- dims On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:19:51 -0500, Steve Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, that worked. Thank you very much. > > Oddly enough I first heard your name a couple of days ago when Daniel Savarese > said you'd voted +1 on the release. Now I've met you. > > Steve > > > > On Saturday 01 May 2004 12:09 pm, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > please try now. > > > > -- dims > > > > On Sat, 1 May 2004 11:50:53 -0500, Steve Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Actually, what I specifically need is karma for jakarta-site2. > > > > > > On Saturday 01 May 2004 6:35 am, Steve Cohen wrote: > > > > userid: scohen > > > > > > > > Requested karma: Jakarta > > > > Reason: I need karma here so I can complete the job > > > > of committing jakarta-commons-1.2 which I began last night. Karma is > > > > required to complete step 13 (Update Jakarta Web Site) on > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases/release.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS Karma Request for Jakarta site
please try now. -- dims On Sat, 1 May 2004 11:50:53 -0500, Steve Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, what I specifically need is karma for jakarta-site2. > > On Saturday 01 May 2004 6:35 am, Steve Cohen wrote: > > userid: scohen > > > > Requested karma: Jakarta > > Reason: I need karma here so I can complete the job of > > committing jakarta-commons-1.2 which I began last night. Karma is required > > to complete step 13 (Update Jakarta Web Site) on > > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases/release.html > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project
+1 from me. --- "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2004, at 9:58 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > > > All Jakarta Community Members : > > > > Howard M. Lewis Ship, on behalf of the committers of the HiveMind > > project in the Jakarta Commons sandbox, has proposed HiveMind as a > > Jakarta sub-project. The proposal was sent to this list, a copy of > > which can be found here : > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg09244.html > > > > Please read the proposal and vote, and add any comments you deem > > appropriate. > > > > All Jakarta community members are encouraged to vote, although only > > the votes of the PMC members are legally binding as per the ASF*. > > > > [X] +1 I support this proposal > > [ ] -1 I don't support this proposal > > [ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal > > > > -- > Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] POI 2.0 final release
[X] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 --- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We request to the PMC to ratify this release. > [X] +1 > [ ] 0 > [ ] -1 > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FeedParser API for Java (source available)
+1 --- Erik Hatcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 12, 2004, at 2:51 AM, Kevin A. Burton wrote: > > Some of you may remember my previous post about our FeedParser > > RSS/Atom parser implementation for Java. > > > > Everything looks good on our end and we've got legal approval. They > > just needed to review the licenses... > > > > Anyway... I've blogged this and the source as well as a JXR reference > > is up. Please give me feedback. Try not to focus too much on code > > quality as much as API. The source will be changing before 1.0 as I > > clean some things up. > > > > can I seem some +1s? ;) > > oh yeah +1 !!! > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
+1 --- Steven Noels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/07/2003 9:29 Cliff Schmidt wrote: > > > On behalf of the other committers, I would like to ask the XML PMC to > > consider accepting XMLBeans into the XML project. We expect to address > > any remaining concerns that the community has during the incubation > > period. > > Dear committers, > > as outlined in the xml.apache.org charter (section 6.2), and in > collaboration with the Incubator > (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD) > > Subject to: > > - relicensing of the XMLBeans codebase using the ASL 1.1 license > (http://xml.apache.org/LICENSE) > - copyright transfer from BEA to the ASF as described in > http://incubator.apache.org/process.html [1] > - each initial XMLBeans committer sending in a Contributor's License > Agreement > (http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf) > - furthermore, I would strongly suggest the XMLBeans code should only > be moved into Apache CVS once the outstanding LGPL & BEA-licensed code > dependency issues have been resolved. > > Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for > incubation in the XML.Apache project: > > --- vote ballot -- > >Name: > >[ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) >[ ] Indifference (-1 < x < +1) >[ ] I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1) > > -- > > --- 8< --- 8< --- 8< --- > > If the outcome of this vote is positive and CLA forms are collected, > work can start on creating the necessary infrastructure resources. I'm > on holiday from the 12th until the 26th of July and won't be able to > help out coordination-wise, but here's a quick list of the top of my head: > > - collection and creation of initial committer accounts, using the > following template: > > -- > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Apache account requests for XMLBeans project incubation > > > Full name:... > Preferred userid: ... > Forwarding email address: ... > Unix group: xml > > -- > > - creation of xml-xmlbeans CVS module > - also configure in ViewCVS > - commit mails -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - add initial committers to the avail list > > - mailing lists: > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - .qmail-xml-xmlbeans-cvs forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - list archiving: > - mbox -> xml.apache.org/mail > - Eyebrowse setup > > - Bugzilla project creation and set up of notification mails > > - grant some committers access to xml-site module for website content > > - setup automated checkout of xml-site/targets/xml-beans on daedalus > for website (or give someone access to daedalus for manual website > publication) > > - send a big thank you to infrastructure@ > > That's about all I can think of ATM. > > > > __ > [1] IIRC, there was a form for this as well, but I cannot locate it anymore > > -- > Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ > Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center > Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ > stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun copies Jakarta?
I agree. It's just like depending on a open source project on sourceforge (Gump builds ~60 projects from SF - http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/modxref.html) -- dims --- Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Santiago Gala wrote: > > Steven Noels escribió: > > > >> On 10/06/2003 9:48 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > >> > >> or MS (http://www.gotdotnet.com/community/workspaces/directory.aspx)? > >> Or Sourceforge? Savannah? > >> > >> Diversity is what keeps Darwin's sledgehammer away, IMHO. > > > > Darwin will take care of most such initiatives. But it looks like new > > marketing trends are being set up. > > > > Now, how does this affect our ecosystem? > > As little or as much as we want to let it. > > Examples: > > 1) If an ASF Jakarta subproject were to come to depend on an java.net > project, would I create a project definition for the java.net project in > Gump? Absolutely. > > 2) If the majority of committers to an ASF Jakarta subproject were to > want to move their codebase to java.net, would I help them? Absolutely. > > Is the open source Java world big enough for both a Jakarta and a > java.net? Absolutely. > > - Sam Ruby > > > --------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Business-Oriented XML
Dave, Please move this discussion over to cocoon-dev mailing list if you really want good feedback. You will find that the people over there are quite ready to accept new concepts, criticism, patches, contributions etc :) Thanks, dims --- Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:58:06PM -0800, Dave Jarvis wrote: > > Hello, again. > > > > Neeme Praks wrote: > > > Have you ever had a look at Apache Cocoon project? That achieves all the > > > > Yes. > > > > > benefits you outlined in your paper plus more. > > > > Here are a few items BOX addresses that Cocoon does not (as far as I can > > discern; please correct my errors): > > > > o doesn't provide an inherent state-based architecture (it's an aside, > > not focus) > > Nope, they threw out the "reactor" (state machine) pattern as being too > hard to manage. > > > o doesn't automatically apply a different view of logic based on the > > domain > > Certainly can :) Have a look at Cocoon 2's class > org.apache.cocoon.selection.HostSelector. > > > o extremely complex; it mixes multiple languages and odd syntax (e.g., > > &connectDatabase) > > That's just your particular XSP, which uses an XML entity > "&connectDatabase;" to pull in other XSP. If you put your logic in > logicsheets as intended, then your XSP pages are pure XML. > > > o makes it easy to couple presentation and logic (see below) > > Actually, XSP makes it easy to mix *content* and logic (presentation is > in XSLs). > > > o lacks an integrated expression parser > > o doesn't expose a consistent syntax for doing tasks such as: > > - file I/O > > - sending XML to remote servers > > Have a look at Cocoon 2's xscript SOAP demo (xscript being an XSP > equivalent of James Strachan's xtags taglib). > > > - calling native code (Java, C, Perl, etc.) > > - SQL statements > > o cookies, FORM parameters, and URL encoded variables are not treated > > uniformly > > o doesn't use plain XML (i.e., embeds other language source directly) > > Anyway, if you've got time, hop on cocoon-dev.. I'm sure there's much > mutual learning to be had (it's a fun place to lurk anyway). Cocoon 2 > has a very generic architecture, and I've no doubt that your code could > be integrated as an XSP alternative. > > > --Jeff > > - > In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Davanum Srinivas - http://jguru.com/dims/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
