Re: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-29 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Oct 27, 2004, at 4:15 PM, Bernhard Fastenrath wrote: method pointers? closures? Is anybody going to suggest self-modifying java assembler code as a language feature? I don't really see how you got from method pointers and closures to self-modifying code (I see that as a bit of fear mongering).

Re: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-28 Thread Danny Angus
Dain wrote: > I understand what you are saying, but do you believe that Sun could > actually get such a feature right? I take your point, and tend to think not. I don't believe that Sun would get it right first time, not if we consider their track record. > So, yes, I am arguing that no feature

Re: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-27 Thread Bernhard Fastenrath
method pointers? closures? Is anybody going to suggest self-modifying java assembler code as a language feature? Is the goal to break Java and render it useless? In my opinion we can live without closures. You didn't have to attach "for a bit longer". Jim Moore wrote: The way that most modern lan

RE: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Moore
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:53 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Future JDK features 2 items On Oct 27, 2004, at 1:10 AM, Danny Angus wrote: > > Dain wrote: > >> If you want method pointers today, just get a good byte code >> generation tool. >

Re: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-27 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Oct 27, 2004, at 1:10 AM, Danny Angus wrote: Dain wrote: If you want method pointers today, just get a good byte code generation tool. Yeah I know, and I seriously believe that workarounds such as this do more to harm the so-called "purity" of Java than providing explicit language level mechan

Re: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-27 Thread Danny Angus
Dain wrote: > If you want method pointers today, just get a good byte code generation > tool. Yeah I know, and I seriously believe that workarounds such as this do more to harm the so-called "purity" of Java than providing explicit language level mechanisms for method pointers. The AWT moved fr

Re: FW: RE: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-27 Thread Danny Angus
>> Where's the advantage of a method pointer? > Maybe Mr. Angus wasn't going here, but behind my > concept was work I have done in C/C++ with arrays > of function-through-pointer for varied functionality > depending on context. Yes. It was in order to provide much more dynamic variation in behavi

Re: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-26 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Oct 26, 2004, at 1:17 AM, Danny Angus wrote: 1/ Ok don't flame me... "Method pointers" If you want method pointers today, just get a good byte code generation tool. We use cglib in Geronimo to generate FastMethod objects, which look a lot like reflection Method but are about a 100 times faste

Re: FW: RE: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-26 Thread Dan Lydick
> [Original Message] > From: Bernhard Fastenrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 10/26/04 2:09:02 PM > Subject: Re: FW: RE: Future JDK features 2 items > > Dan Lydick wrote: > > >> <>From: Danny An

Re: FW: RE: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-26 Thread Bernhard Fastenrath
Dan Lydick wrote: <>From: Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/ Ok don't flame me... "Method pointers" But still, be sure to watch for flames from the Purist Society! They _do_ have a point, ya know. I *know* it is possible to accomplish all the delegation one might want by using polymo

FW: RE: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-10-26 Thread Dan Lydick
> [Original Message] > From: Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 10/26/04 3:17:32 AM > Subject: Future JDK features 2 items > > > 1/ Ok don't flame me... "Method pointers" But still, be sure to watch for flames from the Purist Society! They _do_