Lance Albertson wrote:
Gentoo has been missing some kind of direction/goal for some time now.
Looking back at the last two years, what are the major
changes/accomplishments that we have done? Granted, I know there has
been great strides in improvement in some things, but I really wonder
Patrick Lauer posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:52:43 +0100:
Lance Albertson wrote:
When I say we have a niche we're perfect at,
I'm mainly referring to the source-based nature of our OS. There isn't
another distro out there that does it as well as us and we
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 13:20 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
I don't see a problem with removing version bump and stabilization
messages, but everything else should stay in the ChangeLog for as long
as the package is still around.
See the part that I said make sense to take out. What you
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 00:35 +0300, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote:
On Вск, 2006-01-01 at 21:35 +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote:
We have currently 10371 ChangeLog files, 25 MB totally .
1365 == 13% with size = 4096 B, 12 MB totally
rsync from emerge --sync has --whole-file between its options,
3.1.2006, 12:47:27, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
So you have now taken what was described as an automatic solution to
reduce size into a manual process, reducing usability of the ChangeLog
and increasing workload for every ebuild developer.
I'm sorry, but I still think the idea of simply
Am Montag, 2. Januar 2006 21:45 schrieb ext Mark Loeser:
Actually, since I plan on moving this to ~arch soon, please report all
bugs to us, even if you don't have a patch. I'd like to know of
everything that is broken.
I filed bug reports for crypto++, botan, monotone and isdn4k-utils. Still
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 04:08 -0700, Duncan wrote:
Patrick Lauer posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:52:43 +0100:
Lance Albertson wrote:
When I say we have a niche we're perfect at,
I'm mainly referring to the source-based nature of our OS. There isn't
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 13:20 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
I'm sorry, but I still think the idea of simply RSYNC_EXCLUDEing the
ChangeLog by default would be a much better solution.
I didn't know before that it is possible, but after some reading man
rsync I've added
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 09:29, Paweł Madej wrote:
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 13:20 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
I'm sorry, but I still think the idea of simply RSYNC_EXCLUDEing the
ChangeLog by default would be a much better solution.
I didn't know before that it
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 12:15 -0600, Paul Varner wrote:
since we have baselayout-1.12.x in ~arch, the new stable candidate
(1.11.14) isnt getting much air time ... can people try upgrading to
it and post any feedback they have with it ? it should mostly be a
bugfix release over 1.11.13
Some time ago I sent a mail with the above subject and there was no response...
Now I saw it went to
the gentoo-server ML :-( /me bad
So, resending some thoughts about catalyst here...
So far I have played with catalyst, lately catalyst2, since gentoo-1.4 was
released. AFAIR, 3 or 4
times.
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: [Sun Jan 01 2006, 05:35:26PM CST]
On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 05:30:01AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
Gentoo dev list to see.
I
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote:
So what about the first problem? Working, real configs for gentoo releases?
I am thinking something of the kind, will it be possible/good/easy to start
preparing a few configs
for the next release (2006.0 right?), complete configs starting from say
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Dirk Heinrichs skrev:
Am Montag, 2. Januar 2006 21:45 schrieb ext Mark Loeser:
Actually, since I plan on moving this to ~arch soon, please report all
bugs to us, even if you don't have a patch. I'd like to know of
everything that is broken.
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 11:05 -0500, Rajiv Aaron Manglani wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote:
So what about the first problem? Working, real configs for gentoo releases?
I am thinking something of the kind, will it be possible/good/easy to start
preparing a few configs
for
Hi,
Lares Moreau wrote:
need to have some form of Governance board. A board that doesn't worry
about implementation details; a board that gives a long term vision to
our project.
This sounds very scary to me. Perhaps that's because I'm not sure how
detailed such a plan would be. If our goal
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Simon Stelling wrote:
| My point is, either you have to generalize each project's goal to a real
| triviality or you have to define a goal which doesn't match some
| project's goals. Conclusion: Let it be.
Not necessarily. I just wrote on my blog
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:28:24 -0800 Donnie Berkholz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Here's one example of a global goal: Reduce the learning curve of
| Gentoo and increase its usability.
That goal is silly and oxymoronic. Reduced learning curve decreases
usability.
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:28:24 -0800 Donnie Berkholz
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| | Here's one example of a global goal: Reduce the learning curve of
| | Gentoo and increase its usability.
|
| That goal is silly and oxymoronic.
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 12:14:05PM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
Since the council is the closest representation to a leader we have, I'd
like to ask if they can come up with some kind of global goals for 2006
and beyond.
I couldn't agree more, yet I'm afraid Gentoo has grown too large to do
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 06:21:39PM +0100, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
There are some interesting ideas on the Gentoo Forums that aren't situated
in any of the current projects, such as Top-100 Feature Requests [1],
Gentoo
Binary profile [2], Gentoo Knowledge Base [3], USE-flag triggered
software
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 04:30, Luis F. Araujo wrote:
Now if i change to =app-text/xpdf-3.01-r4 , it works just fine.
But you significantly change its meaning.
I am not sure what it is happening here though... is the ! notation
broken?
On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 04:00 +0900, Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote:
[unsnip]
BTW, will next release use catalyst or catalyst2?
[/unsnip]
So?
We will be using catalyst 2.0 (or better).
But what about helping by working on an official Gentoo release?
Learn catalyst intricately. The main problems
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 20:25, Luis F. Araujo wrote:
So i suppose we should avoid using this kind of notation whenever possible.
Or you can try to fix portage.
Which dep?
xpdf.
poppler does _not_ require xpdf.
! allows to avoid installing older xpdf and newer poppler at the same time
if you
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 20:25, Luis F. Araujo wrote:
Portage does not resolve block correctly, look at bugzilla there are tons
of bugs open.
So i suppose we should avoid using this kind of notation whenever possible.
See, it's not possible to avoid that with the current Portage version.
Steve,
so unless it's of real use to others I might just continue to support it
myself.
I'm already packaging up other internal apps using a portage overlay.
I had several clients deploying mysql server clusters in large webfarms at the
start of this year and investigated the options for
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
| As a prime example, I strongly believe that making Gentoo as easy as
| possible can only come about by reducing its usability. If there is a
| large number of choices, no matter how well documented, it isn't easy
| for a
start of this year and investigated the options for commercial support of
mysql
under gentoo at that time. This investigation included attending the mysql
2004 user conference and talking to several decision makers within mysql
Oops. Should be last year, and 2005 user conference.
Matt
Grant Goodyear wrote:
Lance Albertson wrote: [Mon Jan 02 2006, 12:14:05PM CST]
Gentoo has been missing some kind of direction/goal for some time now.
Looking back at the last two years, what are the major
changes/accomplishments that we have done? Granted, I know there has
been great strides in
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Simon Stelling wrote:
| Donnie Berkholz wrote:
| - - Releng would work to ensure that installing Gentoo is as easy as
| possible.
|
|
| This is very vague too. Easy for who? Easy for a user who is too lazy to
| read docs and doesn't have any
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 02:33:13PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
But what about helping by working on an official Gentoo release?
Having somebody around to help test LiveCDs and stages is always a good
thing. We need both developers and users to do this as the architecture
coordinator can
thanks for the feedback.
I agree - the gentoo build is excellent. It's only to meet with our legal
obligations.
That legal obligation arises from our non-GPL C app which links against
libmysqlclient.
Do you know if it would be enough to deploy and use the gentoo build of mysql
but with
our
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Lance Albertson wrote:
| All of those of course are true. I guess I'm thinking more in the large
| picture of things. Retiring non-active devs isn't something I'd exactly
| call 'ground breaking' :-). I know there are things being worked on now
|
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 12:35 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
More structure and less red tape ... How do those two work together? I
feel like they're connected -- a more structured organization will have
more bureaucracy and more red tape.
To me red tape means that there are odd and peculiar
I know I'm one of the new ones, and I shouldn't be complaining for this, but
people please, pretty please, check what you remove out of p.mask.. if it was
masked, there was probably a reason, check carefully before unmasking.
Remember that when you get something out of p.mask, all users in ~arch
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 04:08 -0700, Duncan wrote:
I believe that's where the differing opinions begin to come in. Here's
mine. I don't believe that Gentoo, /as/ /Gentoo/, will ever be very
successful as an Enterprise distribution, and I don't think
Lance Albertson wrote: [Tue Jan 03 2006, 02:09:43PM CST]
Sure, we've made lots of great improvements, but I'm concerned that we
have too many subprojects all working in their little world and no one
really looking over the whole project making sure things flow together
well. There's no one out
Mark Loeser wrote:
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 04:08 -0700, Duncan wrote:
I believe that's where the differing opinions begin to come in. Here's
mine. I don't believe that Gentoo, /as/ /Gentoo/, will ever be very
successful as an Enterprise distribution,
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Jan 03 2006, 12:17:06PM CST]
I think part of the problem is that many people are forgetting exactly
what Gentoo really is. Gentoo is not a distribution of Linux. Gentoo
is not anything more than a loosely bound group of developers all doing
their own thing in a
Hi,
There'll be a monthly meeting of the webapps herd in #gentoo-web on
Saturday 7th Jan @ 19:00 UTC. All are welcome, whether you're a member
of the herd or not :) (Arch team members interested in stabilising
webapps are especially welcome)
The agenda at the moment is:
1) Elections
2) Update
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I've actually been tinkering with this idea for a whole mostly due to
the gross amount of crazy crap that is posted to gentoo-wiki.com ( no
offense to the site which otherwise does a great job ). However I was
under the impression that the docs team
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Hi guys,
I've came across what happen to be an invalid virtual entry and an
invalid local use flag, since the packages they target are no longer
in the portage tree.
The entries are:
virtual/winkernel sys-kernel/win4lin-sources
Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Mark Loeser wrote:
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I completely agree with you here. What Gentoo does is make a
meta-distribution, that one can utilize to build their own distribution
easily. This isn't limited to Linux, either, thanks to
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 19:13, Ricardo Loureiro wrote:
If I encounter such situations should I create a bug or report them
here?
either works
ive removed the entries
-mike
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On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 01:56:03PM +0530, Shyam Mani wrote:
[2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/modular-x-howto.xml
You mean:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml
right?
thanks,
greg k-h
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Greg KH wrote:
| On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 01:56:03PM +0530, Shyam Mani wrote:
|
|[2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/modular-x-howto.xml
|
|
| You mean:
| http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml
| right?
Yeah we decided to
On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 10:48:18PM +0100, Grobian wrote:
On 01-01-2006 21:35:34 +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote with possible deletions:
1) bzip2 them in some way.
4) compress Changelog entries where possible
Anyone gathered transfer stats for rsync without --whole-file?
compression won't play
Hi,
there has been a lengthy discussion on bugzilla ([1]), about the best
packaging method for the gnat Ada compiler. The outcome seems to be that
gnat will still have its own ebuild in the future and not be part of the
GCC ebuild. It also has a mention that gcj will eventually be split out
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