Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] More reliable hiding preserved libraries

2010-04-05 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Sunday 04 of April 2010 17:33:17 Tiziano Müller wrote: Besides I can already imagine PMS-related discussion regarding make the PMs check for rdeps per default before unmerging things - thx but no thx. This is not related to PMS. Paludis for example does it already with the current

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] More reliable hiding preserved libraries

2010-04-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:16:42AM +0200, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: Unconditionally removing libraries (instead of preserving them) and making their reverse runtime dependencies reinstalled is unacceptable because emerge process involving multiple packages is not atomic. Simple as that. Is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 Tobias Heinlein keytoas...@gentoo.org wrote: 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be nice to know. [snip] Examples for these: 5. What is wrong with using $(somecommand) or `somecommand` or $ARCH inside SRC_URI, DEPEND, etc?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:48:08AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 Tobias Heinlein keytoas...@gentoo.org wrote: 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be nice to know. [snip] Examples for these: 5. What is wrong with using

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/05/2010 05:36 AM, Alistair Bush wrote: On 4/3/10 3:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? The idea appeared before, but I think it's worth noting. Either merge the ebuild and end quizzes, or make the split actually meaningful.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-05 Thread Peter Hjalmarsson
mån 2010-04-05 klockan 03:54 +0300 skrev Mart Raudsepp: The problem is really the RESOLVED connotation and the hiding that goes along with that on searches, etc. The LATER status itself can be useful when used properly (more as ASSIGNED LATER). In the lack of that some bigger teams might

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] More reliable hiding preserved libraries

2010-04-05 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Sonntag, den 04.04.2010, 23:44 -0700 schrieb Brian Harring: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:16:42AM +0200, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: Unconditionally removing libraries (instead of preserving them) and making their reverse runtime dependencies reinstalled is unacceptable because emerge process

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Richard Freeman
On 04/05/2010 03:48 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 Tobias Heinleinkeytoas...@gentoo.org wrote: 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be nice to know. [snip] Examples for these: 5. What is wrong with using $(somecommand) or `somecommand`

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] More reliable hiding preserved libraries

2010-04-05 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Montag, den 05.04.2010, 08:16 +0200 schrieb Maciej Mrozowski: On Sunday 04 of April 2010 17:33:17 Tiziano Müller wrote: Besides I can already imagine PMS-related discussion regarding make the PMs check for rdeps per default before unmerging things - thx but no thx. This is not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo a Phoenix?

2010-04-05 Thread Richard Freeman
On 04/04/2010 02:09 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: All ideas regarding improving recruitment are welcome, thanks. However if, during your review, you were not given the impression that your maturity and other social skills were being assessed then you were being blissfully naive. :o) That

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard to answer dilemma that can be implemented relatively fast. On top

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 04:07:01PM +, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread George Prowse
On 05/04/2010 17:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard to answer dilemma that can be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo a Phoenix?

2010-04-05 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: What I was getting at is trying to identify what aspects of the whole recruitment process added the most value and which added the least, and adjusting accordingly.  I think that assessing attitude and maturity, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/05/2010 09:26 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: The first option could be somewhat simple, we already have overlays so those could simply be used. The second option (which would be the best IMO) is a fair bit harder. The first thing that needs to be done is find out why people don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-05 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: I see no reason whatsoever to keep it open. How about this one: preventing users from filing dupes. If we start doing that, we'll end up with tons of extra bugs on our hands. What's the big deal? You know you'll be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 05:50:49PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: That assumes the system is working perfectly and the whole fact that we are having this discussion would go against that. From what i've read in the community, lots of people would have no problems helping out maintaining

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-05 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: I disagree. Resolved LATER is useful to some maintainers that want to fix that bug, but don't have time or don't find the issue to be a priority at the moment. By marking it LATER they're acknowledging the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] More reliable hiding preserved libraries

2010-04-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 03:27:34PM +0200, Tiziano MMMller wrote: Via that, the resolver can see that a rebuild is necessary and plan a rebuild of all consumers (whether NEEDED based or revdep). Note preserve-lib would be rather useful here- specifically holding onto the intermediate

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Ben de Groot
After the mostly positive feedback on the recent wiki discussion, we have now gone ahead, formed a preliminary team consisting of both users and developers, and put up a project page [1]. All constructive feedback on this new project is welcome. We'd also like to invite any users and developers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Jon Portnoy av...@eris.oppresses.us wrote: Which is all well and good -- the you wrote some ebuilds so here's your commit privs and @gentoo.org approach to recruitment worked great when Gentoo had a few dozen developers. Today QA is a bit more important, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Nathan Zachary
On 05/04/10 11:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard to answer dilemma that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Nathan Zachary
On 05/04/10 13:12, Ben de Groot wrote: After the mostly positive feedback on the recent wiki discussion, we have now gone ahead, formed a preliminary team consisting of both users and developers, and put up a project page [1]. All constructive feedback on this new project is welcome. We'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Nathan Zachary nathanzach...@gentoo.org wrote: [...] but it would be much more enlightening to me to work on creating ebuilds while working one-on-one with a mentor. The whole purpose of the training period between the ebuild quiz and the end quiz (see [1]) is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Alex Legler
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:12:49 +0200, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: After the mostly positive feedback on the recent wiki discussion, we have now gone ahead, formed a preliminary team consisting of both users and developers, and put up a project page [1]. All constructive feedback on

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Monday 05 April 2010 21:12:49 Ben de Groot wrote: After the mostly positive feedback on the recent wiki discussion, we have now gone ahead, formed a preliminary team consisting of both users and developers, and put up a project page [1]. All constructive feedback on this new project is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 10:15:21PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Monday 05 April 2010 21:12:49 Ben de Groot wrote: After the mostly positive feedback on the recent wiki discussion, we have now gone ahead, formed a preliminary team consisting of both users and developers, and put up a

RE: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Sylvain Alain
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:37:31 +0200 From: zeera...@gmail.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 10:15:21PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Monday 05 April 2010 21:12:49 Ben de Groot wrote: After the mostly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-05 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: I see no reason whatsoever to keep it open. How about this one: preventing users from filing dupes. We already advise our users to check RESO

[gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/castle-combat

2010-04-05 Thread Michael Sterrett
# Michael Sterrett mr_bon...@gentoo.org (05 Apr 2010) # Needs dev-python/numeric which is going away. # No release since 2006 # Masked for removal on 20100505 games-strategy/castle-combat

[gentoo-dev] [git migration] The problem of ChangeLog generation

2010-04-05 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
One of the few remaining problems to be solved for the migration to git for our gentoo-x86/ and gentoo/ trees (besides other projects/overlays) is the problem of how to handle ChangeLogs. Gist: * It makes zero sense to manually manage ChangeLogs in git[1] - Irritating conflicts while

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05-04-2010 18:26, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 04:07:01PM +, Jon Portnoy wrote: There should be a process of weeding out developers that bitch and/or whine, but if most of the teams are understaffed then there has to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Ravi Pinjala
On 04/05/10 13:12, Ben de Groot wrote: After the mostly positive feedback on the recent wiki discussion, we have now gone ahead, formed a preliminary team consisting of both users and developers, and put up a project page [1]. All constructive feedback on this new project is welcome. We'd also

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Stuart Longland
On 2010-04-06 04:12, Ben de Groot wrote: After the mostly positive feedback on the recent wiki discussion, we have now gone ahead, formed a preliminary team consisting of both users and developers, and put up a project page [1]. All constructive feedback on this new project is welcome. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-05 Thread Rémi Cardona
Le 03/04/2010 11:50, Petteri Räty a écrit : I don't think later is valid resolution. If there's a valid bug it just means it's never looked at again. If the bug is not valid then a different resolution should be used. So what do you think about disabling later? I would like to avoid things