Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 10:28 -0500, Dale wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:46 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > > > > And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning > > > down or the GNi suffering flooding? :) > > > > > > > Well, we're

Re: Gentoo infra backups (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract)

2007-03-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 19:44 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: > > Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important > > stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- LT :1996 > actually, i wonder if this would be useful ...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-27 Thread Richard Brown
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:12:17 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have not implemented any policy at the instruction of anyone. > > We have not implemented any policy under the threat of removal of > services. I'm pleased to hear that. To be honest I assumed that was exactly wh

Gentoo infra backups (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract)

2007-03-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: > Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important > stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- LT :1996 actually, i wonder if this would be useful ... we set up a master backup server where we post raw svn/cvs/etc..

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread bret curtis
Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Monday 26 March 2007, Dale wrote: [snip] Actually the situation is not that hypothetical. Some years ago the datacenter of the University of Twente (The Netherlands) was set to fire by an angry systems administrator. The building housed among other infrastructure v

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Ned Ludd
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 00:22 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Monday 26 March 2007, Dale wrote: > > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:46 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > >> And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning > > >> down or the GNi sufferi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 26 March 2007, Dale wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:46 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > >> And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning > >> down or the GNi suffering flooding? :) > > > > Well, we're on the second floor of the data

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 26 March 2007, Catalin Zamfir Alexandru wrote: > For anyone, I can host a mirror for gentoo.org. Just contact me. we're not worried about mirrors, we're worried about the core infrastructure which really cant be mirrored if you're offering to host a web node mirror though, please open

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:39 +0100, Richard Brown wrote: > Hi vapier, thanks for pointing this out. Am I wrong to assume from your > responses in this thread to ciaranm's "hypothetical" case that the > current council have not implemented any policy at the instruction of an > external company or org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Richard Brown
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:47:30 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think this whole idea is a moot point anyways ... go visit the > Gentoo Foundation web site and see Chapter 2 Section 5 > -mike > Gentoo is independent > Gentoo will never be reigned by a company nor be dictated by a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Dale
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:46 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > >> And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning >> down or the GNi suffering flooding? :) >> > > Well, we're on the second floor of the data center which has a quite > large ba

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 11:32 +, Catalin Zamfir Alexandru wrote: > > And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning > > down or the GNi suffering flooding? :) > For anyone, I can host a mirror for gentoo.org. Just contact me. It isn't mirrors that we're discussing here.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Catalin Zamfir Alexandru
On Sunday 25 March 2007 21:46, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Saturday 24 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > > > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 25 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > i think this whole idea is a moot point anyways ... go visit the > > > > Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:59:41 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 25 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > i think this whole idea is a moot point anyways ... go visit the > > > Gentoo Foundation web site and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > i think this whole idea is a moot point anyways ... go visit the Gentoo > > Foundation web site and see Chapter 2 Section 5 > > And how exactly does this help us in the event of say th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 24 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. In the interests of > > keeping Gentoo run by the developers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. In the interests of > keeping Gentoo run by the developers rather than any outside party, how > about the following addition

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 March 2007, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. In the interests of > > keeping Gentoo run by the developers rather than any outside party

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. In the interests of keeping Gentoo run by the developers rather than any outside party, how about the following addition to the Social Contract? We will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:35:21 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gentoo should use whichever basket could fit... Just because there is a basket that can fit all our eggs should not prevent us from looking, where possible, for other baskets that would let us distribute them more evenly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Which of the following do you think is most likely to happen? > > * That Gentoo relicences everything under a proprietary licence GPL-3 you mean? > * That Gentoo colludes with Lucifer Cough... > * That Gentoo comes under pressure from a sponsor with an agenda > > Rem

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Luca Barbato
Dale wrote: > > As a lowly user, I agree. Gentoo should not put all its eggs in one basket. > Gentoo should use whichever basket could fit... -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 09:27 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Sunday 25 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 04:54 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Saturday 24 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > > > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Grant Goodyear
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: [Sun Mar 25 2007, 07:35:33AM CDT] > Supposedly >80% of our stuff is hosted in one building, where would we > find ourselves were this building to building to burn to the ground? Get > flooded? Looking through http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/server-specs.xml

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Dale
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:00:00 -0400 > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sunday 25 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >>> Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> i dont see why this is required ? ignoring the fact that the wo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:00:00 -0400 > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 25 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > i dont see why this is required ? ignoring the fact that th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:00:00 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 25 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i dont see why this is required ? ignoring the fact that the > > > wording is way too vague to do anything but cause co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i dont see why this is required ? ignoring the fact that the wording > > is way too vague to do anything but cause confusion and people to > > spout long winded rants, seems like useless nitpicking abou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 04:54:33 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i dont see why this is required ? ignoring the fact that the wording > is way too vague to do anything but cause confusion and people to > spout long winded rants, seems like useless nitpicking about an issue > that doe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 04:54 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Saturday 24 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > > > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 04:54 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 24 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. In the interests of > > keeping Gentoo run by the developers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Luca Barbato
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. In the interests of > keeping Gentoo run by the developers rather than any outside party, how > about the following addition to the Social Contract? N

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. In the interests of > keeping Gentoo run by the developers rather than any outside party, how > about the following addition

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-24 Thread Mike Kelly
Darn, there go Piotocorp's plans of buyout... -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-24 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being dependent upon a single sponsor or corporation. In the interests of keeping Gentoo run by the developers rather than any outside party, how about the following addition to the Social Contract? We will be run by the Development Co