Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Alin Nastac
Aron Griffis wrote: Alin Nastac wrote: [Sun Sep 11 2005, 05:02:27PM EDT] Gentoo history is full of such individuals who only want to be sure that they could become devs but are not willing to put any effort behind it. Gentoo's history is full of hard-working devs. The slackers are

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 12 September 2005 02:25, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: If you're not up for having your code reviewed, don't contribute to an open source project. No-one expects you to produce perfect code straight off (at least, we don't until we give you commit access). We *do* expect you to be prepared

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Jakub Moc
12.9.2005, 16:03:17, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Many users seem to think that a WONTFIX is non-negotiable. I tend to agree with them, for the most part. Rather than WONTFIX them, simply tell them that they won't be included as-is. WONTFIX gives the user the impression that we are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Maurice van der Pot
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:03:17AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Many users seem to think that a WONTFIX is non-negotiable. I tend to agree with them, for the most part. Rather than WONTFIX them, simply tell them that they won't be included as-is. WONTFIX gives the user the impression that

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Peter Hyman
On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 16:28 +0200, Maurice van der Pot wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:03:17AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Many users seem to think that a WONTFIX is non-negotiable. I tend to agree with them, for the most part. Rather than WONTFIX them, simply tell them that they

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Peter Hyman
On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 18:12 +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 11:41 -0400, Peter Hyman wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 16:28 +0200, Maurice van der Pot wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:03:17AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Many users seem to think that a WONTFIX is

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Peter Hyman wrote: 1) what IS the status of svyatogor and lanius? I don't know if they are active or not, but you can always try to *unofficially* check when did they last committed something to CVS - [1], [2]. [1] http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/svyatogor [2]

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Becker
I think you need to rethink that. Notifying a maintainer that there is an update or new add on to an existing project is not really getting involved. It's HELPING. I realize that maintainers cannot stay on top of all 120,000 packages. That's where the everyday users come in. They, selfishly,

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 12 September 2005 19:03, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The easiest way to improve those ebuilds' chances of getting into the tree is by getting them up to a good enough standard that whoever picks them up is very unlikely to have to do major extra work on them. To have even more

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Jakub Moc
12.9.2005, 19:32:32, Carsten Lohrke wrote: To have even more unmaintained packages in the tree. The tree it is that needs QA. If maintainer-wanted bugs stay open forever - who cares. [left for later reference] Thanks for the pointer. :p So from the user point of view it's better to file a

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 12 September 2005 19:56, Jakub Moc wrote: Since you said above, that you really don't care if those user-submitted ebuilds will ever get into portage or will stay in maintainer-wanted queue forever and that's the stuff in portage that actually matters QA-wise, I'm missing why are you

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:53:26 +0200 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 12 September 2005 19:56, Jakub Moc wrote: | 1. The biggest share of maintenance isn't getting an ebuild right, | but the ongoing effort keeping it up to date, applying patches, | interact with upstream

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-12 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: And as for taking it as a PISSOFF... We've had exactly one person do that so far. All the rest of the feedback we receive -- which is a heck of a lot -- is of the thanks for the pointers, please could someone check this

[gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Hyman
Several core ROX programs are out of date. Rox bug # 102228 Rox-lib bug # 79333 Rox-clib bug # 78309 Despite the above bug reports, and copies to the current listed maintainers, the products are not being updated. Rox is among the easiest programs to maintain, and many ebuilds simply need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Hyman
On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 17:50 +0200, Maurice van der Pot wrote: If bugs are not handled in a timely manner, it is because we're shorthanded. This is also the reason new ebuilds are often assigned to maintainer-wanted. We'd rather not add packages to portage if there is no developer to pick up

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Maurice van der Pot
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 12:42:11PM -0400, Peter Hyman wrote: Certainly, I am others have fulfilled this. I have emailed the two maintainers offering to assist. No response. I can't speak for them. If they're non-responsive and you want to become a developer, contact the recruiters. For some

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Alin Nastac
Peter Hyman wrote: Firstly; to be asked to become a developer you should either apply to an opening, or just help out whether in the form of user support or filing bug reports - we notice frequent contributors making contributions to Gentoo and we attempt to reward them by giving them the chance

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Hyman
On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 00:02 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote: snip... Indeed, your name is everywhere when it comes down to rox thing. Because your dedication on rox subject, I am willing to help you become a dev, but I need to be sure you are not going to dissapear in the very next moment. Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Aron Griffis
Alin Nastac wrote: [Sun Sep 11 2005, 05:02:27PM EDT] Gentoo history is full of such individuals who only want to be sure that they could become devs but are not willing to put any effort behind it. Gentoo's history is full of hard-working devs. The slackers are simply forgotten. ;-)

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Thank you for the opportunity. Apparently though, my submissions have already been rejected Ciaran. It's important to realize that the submissions were intended to AID the developers, not to necessarily be PERFECT in every way. Of course they have been criticized by Ciaran. In case you didn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Hyman
On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 20:27 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Thank you for the opportunity. Apparently though, my submissions have already been rejected Ciaran. It's important to realize that the submissions were intended to AID the developers, not to necessarily be PERFECT in every way.