Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 15.02.2013 01:19, schrieb Diego Elio Pettenò: On 15/02/2013 01:15, Rich Freeman wrote: How? We don't support overlays in the main tree. I could see a package maintainer being nice if pinged by an overlay maintainer and delaying some change for a short time to let an overlay be updated,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/02/13 01:19, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: The problem is when you have to triple-check that the user hasn't enabled some random fucked up overlay and you have to guess whether that might be the cause of the problem. Yes. It's difficult to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Markos Chandras
On 15 February 2013 00:19, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 15/02/2013 01:15, Rich Freeman wrote: How? We don't support overlays in the main tree. I could see a package maintainer being nice if pinged by an overlay maintainer and delaying some change for a short time to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 15/02/2013 01:15, Rich Freeman wrote: How? We don't support overlays in the main tree. I could see a package maintainer being nice if pinged by an overlay maintainer and delaying some change for a short time

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Cyprien Nicolas
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 09:39:34AM +, Markos Chandras wrote: On 15 February 2013 00:19, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: The problem is when you have to triple-check that the user hasn't enabled some random fucked up overlay and you have to guess whether that might be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 11:33, Alexander Berntsen wrote: Yes. It's difficult to govern freedom. Freedom is overrated, especially by those who use such sound bites. Let me guess, you use CFLAGS=-O3 -funroll-loops? I sure hope not. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu —

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/02/13 13:58, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Freedom is overrated, especially by those who use such sound bites. Whilst you do get to decide how and if you choose to value my freedom, you most certainly do *not* get to decide how I should rate it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Cyprien Nicolas
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 01:48:34PM +0100, Cyprien Nicolas wrote: Not really, this works when the bug is opened against a given package from an overlay. Diego's raised issue is about some *DEPEND installed from an overlay, but the failing package is from the tree. emerge --info will not report

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/02/13 08:10 AM, Cyprien Nicolas wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 01:48:34PM +0100, Cyprien Nicolas wrote: Not really, this works when the bug is opened against a given package from an overlay. Diego's raised issue is about some *DEPEND

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Ben Kohler
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: I expect to see the full result one would have to emerge -epv [package] , at least that will report the repos for all *DEPENDs (although it is a bit overkill to have users submit that in the general case) There are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 10:44, Alec Warner wrote: I empathize, but I'm not really sure it is a blocker for this effort. Developers already have to evaluate whether the bug the user filed is legitimate; I don't think this makes that significantly more difficult. As stated. spotting overlay usage is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 February 2013 22:34, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: (But I would still argue that spotting overlay usage is not always as simple; at least in one case I got somebody who was trying to hide their use of proaudio.) Users editing the output of emerge --info and hiding they

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an overlay for packages removed from portage. Users are expressly invited to partake in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/13 04:55 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an overlay for packages removed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Jeff Horelick
On 14 February 2013 16:55, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.orgwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.02.2013 22:55, schrieb Rick Zero_Chaos Farina: On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an overlay for packages removed from portage. Users are expressly invited to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 14/02/2013 23:47, Florian Philipp wrote: Why is the overlay bad for anyone? No dev is forced to contribute to it and no user has to activate it. There are dozens of overlays out there which are not meant to be activated unless you know what you are doing. I don't see how this can affect

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: The presence of dozens of overlays _is_ hurting triaging and other issues. Things like proaudio overlay should die in a fire, and stop bothering us to begin with. How? We don't support overlays in the main

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 01:15, Rich Freeman wrote: How? We don't support overlays in the main tree. I could see a package maintainer being nice if pinged by an overlay maintainer and delaying some change for a short time to let an overlay be updated, but issues that impact overlays should not be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: The problem is when you have to triple-check that the user hasn't enabled some random fucked up overlay and you have to guess whether that might be the cause of the problem. Yes it happens, not so rarely. Ah, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 02:18, Rich Freeman wrote: Ah, I always thought of overlays as places where apps tend to reside, but of course you could have glibc in there for all we know... Good point... Welcome to the life of your average Gentoo ebuild maintainer. I'd think that this would be less of an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Ah, I always thought of overlays as places where apps tend to reside, but of course you could have glibc in there for all we know... Good point... Welcome to the life of your average Gentoo ebuild maintainer. Stop complaining (and with foul language! come on,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 02:56, Peter Stuge wrote: Stop complaining (and with foul language! come on, you sound like an idiot, which seems unneccessary) and let's think about solutions. Your laziness makes you sound like an idiot too, thank you very much. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Stop complaining (and with foul language! come on, you sound like an idiot, which seems unneccessary) and let's think about solutions. Your laziness makes you sound like an idiot too, thank you very much. Send me constructive criticism in an email and I'll of