Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-05 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 11/04/2013 03:46 PM, Duncan wrote: Martin Vaeth posted on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:17:49 + as excerpted: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: and the default is oneshot I would always recommend to put -1 into EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS; you can still use --select if you really want a new package

[gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Duncan
Daniel Campbell posted on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:50:27 -0600 as excerpted: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/2013 10:15 PM, yac wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:02:31 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Afaik there is no official way to update

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread yac
On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 09:51:32 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Daniel Campbell posted on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:50:27 -0600 as excerpted: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/2013 10:15 PM, yac wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:02:31 +0200 Alan McKinnon

[gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Martin Vaeth
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: and the default is oneshot I would always recommend to put -1 into EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS; you can still use --select if you really want a new package in a word file: after the first installation this should happen rather rarely (and you can still use -n --select

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Dale
yac wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 09:51:32 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Daniel Campbell posted on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:50:27 -0600 as excerpted: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/2013 10:15 PM, yac wrote: On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:02:31 +0200 Alan McKinnon

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:26:32 +0100 yac y...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 09:51:32 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: FWIW, I have a whole set of short, often 2-4 letter aliases/scripts that take care of the various options Sooo, basicly you have defined buttload of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 06:06:52 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: But after a person has used Gentoo a while, they figure out what process leads to the most stable update process. Do they? What do you consider a stable update process? I come across users on a daily basis which - haven't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 06:06:52 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: But after a person has used Gentoo a while, they figure out what process leads to the most stable update process. Do they? What do you consider a stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 06:06:52 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: But after a person has used Gentoo a while, they figure out what process leads to the most stable update process. Do they? What do you consider a stable update process? I consider it stable when things

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 14:02:28 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: You are right, it does require prior knowledge and as a user gets that knowledge, they likely end up where Alan, Duncan and myself are. That would be emerge -uaDN world. And from there you can continue; like adding -vt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 14:02:28 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: You are right, it does require prior knowledge and as a user gets that knowledge, they likely end up where Alan, Duncan and myself are. That would be emerge -uaDN world. And from there you can continue;

[gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Duncan
Martin Vaeth posted on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:17:49 + as excerpted: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: and the default is oneshot I would always recommend to put -1 into EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS; you can still use --select if you really want a new package in a word file: after the first

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Peter Stuge
Duncan wrote: I believe the reason it wasn't done is because the default options setting was added instead. Well that and the fact that (as covered below), I guess most users setup their own scripts/aliases at some point, at which point the existence of something that general-purpose

[gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Duncan
yac posted on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:26:32 +0100 as excerpted: Sooo, basicly you have defined buttload of aliases, somehow managed to remember these nonsensical names and actually did not save any keystrokes, because most linux users heard of tab completion and use it succesfuly to complete

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 04/11/2013 14:28, Tom Wijsman wrote: The only way to get a more stable system is to do a emerge -e world and update that way. At least that has been my experience so far. I have never needed this; I wonder whether there exists an example case for this, I only see this used when someone

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/04/2013 04:46 PM, Duncan wrote: I imagine were emerge being written today, -1 /would/ be the default, and there'd be an option like --select to add to the @world file if necessary. That's actually the way I setup my scripts, with -1 the default, and an extra 2 suffix script variant

[gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Duncan
Michael Orlitzky posted on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:23:17 -0500 as excerpted: On 11/04/2013 04:46 PM, Duncan wrote: I imagine were emerge being written today, -1 /would/ be the default, and there'd be an option like --select to add to the @world file if necessary. That's actually the way I