On 03/14/2012 17:13, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 08:07:07AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote
Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite
the oddity. I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less
complex and less likely to fail on me in a time of need.
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:10:50AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
I actually have an original IBM Model M. Manufacture date of July 22nd,
1987. And I use Windows on a regular basis. Yet, I get by without the
windows key quite well. About the only two shortcuts I ever used were WIN+E
and
Joshua Kinard posted on Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:13:53 -0400 as excerpted:
On 03/13/2012 01:11, Luca Barbato wrote:
Our current init system doesn't have any problem with /usr being
mounted later, but udev might have issues.
Same could be said about bluez and dbus.
bluez and dbus aren't
On 03/14/2012 04:03, Duncan wrote:
Bluez is a critical system service if that's your keyboard and you need
to do init-diagnostics. Dbus isn't... yet... but it's likely to be, for
some people at least, within a couple years, as systemd's going to be
using it, and other init services will
Joshua Kinard posted on Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:07:07 -0400 as excerpted:
Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite the
oddity.
I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less complex and less
likely to fail on me in a time of need.
Or, put more comically:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 08:07:07AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote
Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite
the oddity. I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less
complex and less likely to fail on me in a time of need.
Unicomp has licenced manufacturing rights
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:53:25PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
Perhaps a suggestion for the news item. I'd recommend that anybody
who needs an initramfs to mount /usr get that working BEFORE they
upgrade udev. This situation is a heck of a lot easier to figure out
if the system still can be
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:53:25PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
Perhaps a suggestion for the news item. I'd recommend that anybody
who needs an initramfs to mount /usr get that working BEFORE they
upgrade udev. This
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:43:06AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
Question... does it have to be an initramfs, or can the vast majority
of simple cases be handled by a simple initscript in /bin or /sbin that
mounts /usr, and does whatever else is required, before handing off
control to
On 12.3.2012 1.15, William Hubbs wrote:
How do you plan to handle notifying stable users if you go with ?
I was thinking of another news item once we are ready to go stable.
What do you think?
William
We could reuse the same news item if we now release it as = and then
release a new
On 03/13/2012 01:11, Luca Barbato wrote:
Our current init system doesn't have any problem with /usr being mounted
later, but udev might have issues.
Same could be said about bluez and dbus.
bluez and dbus aren't system-critical services, however. udev kinda is,
along with key filesystem
On 03/13/2012 05:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And besides, genkernel and dracut are automatized; they *are* the
simple (and proper, IMHO) solution.
My contention is that I shouldn't need an initramfs loaded into my kernel to
get my system into a minimally-usable state. I've been running
On Tue, 2012-03-13 at 20:29 -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
On 03/13/2012 05:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And besides, genkernel and dracut are automatized; they *are* the
simple (and proper, IMHO) solution.
My contention is that I shouldn't need an initramfs loaded into my kernel to
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:29, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
make menuconfig, make bzImage|vmlinux[.32][, make modules[_install]], then
update the bootloader, is how I've done kernels for the longest time. This
new approach makes the above command sequence invalid if under a separate
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:29:31PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
make menuconfig, make bzImage|vmlinux[.32][, make modules[_install]], then
update the bootloader, is how I've done kernels for the longest time. This
new approach makes the above command sequence invalid if under a separate
/usr.
Robin H. Johnson posted on Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:14:46 + as excerpted:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:03:50PM +, Duncan wrote:
Meanwhile, also note that there's PARTLABEL, PARTUUID and ID, that the
mount manpage promises to honor. I've not used these myself, but there
was a thread on the
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:15 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
I was thinking of another news item once we are ready to go stable.
What do you think?
I think that makes the most sense. That news item can include links
to the documentation that gets written over the next few
On Sunday 11 March 2012 21:08:47 Robin H. Johnson wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:49:11AM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:27:06 -0600
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
An initramfs which does this is created by =sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25
or
Rich Freeman wrote:
I think that makes the most sense. That news item can include links
to the documentation that gets written over the next few months.
In the German (not Gentoo-specific) newsgroup de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc,
someone mentioned that he upgraded to udev-180 and lost the
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:49:11AM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
We should really have some documentation on how to create a minimal initramfs
that mounts /usr (if we don't already, I haven't looked). I've never needed
one until now and don't have the foggiest idea how it's done. I can't be the
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:09:39PM +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
The quickest initramfs, assuming that ALL kernel modules you need to
boot are already compiled into your kernel:
genkernel --install --no-ramdisk-modules initramfs
But this will not mount /usr. At least it did not for me.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 +
Sven Vermeulen sw...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:49:11AM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
We should really have some documentation on how to create a minimal
initramfs
that mounts /usr (if we don't already, I haven't looked). I've never needed
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:08:47 +
Robin H. Johnson robb...@gentoo.org wrote:
The quickest initramfs, assuming that ALL kernel modules you need to
boot are already compiled into your kernel:
genkernel --install --no-ramdisk-modules initramfs
Plus optionally, If you know you don't need any
On 3/11/12 10:33 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 07:28:41PM -0800, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions about
I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use
and/or
On 11.03.2012 04:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 3/14 UTC.
I guess this might be OK for unstable, but before this goes stable
On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
The Display-If-Installed atom shows the news item to stable users once
it's committed. I am not sure at what point does Portage show it when
the atom is = so we might want to evaluate the options.
It's displayed after the package is installed,
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:35:36 +0200
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/11/2012 07:33 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 07:28:41PM -0800, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:49:11AM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:27:06 -0600
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
An initramfs which does this is created by =sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25 or
=sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be
sure
On 11.3.2012 17.33, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
The Display-If-Installed atom shows the news item to stable users once
it's committed. I am not sure at what point does Portage show it when
the atom is = so we might want to evaluate the options.
It's
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:28:19PM +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
On 11.3.2012 17.33, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
The Display-If-Installed atom shows the news item to stable users once
it's committed. I am not sure at what point does Portage show it when
the
On 11.3.2012 23.43, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:28:19PM +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
On 11.3.2012 17.33, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
The Display-If-Installed atom shows the news item to stable users once
it's committed. I am not sure at what
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:53:25PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree ?on 3/14 UTC.
I guess this might be OK for unstable, but
Robin H. Johnson posted on Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:08:47 + as excerpted:
The quickest initramfs, assuming that ALL kernel modules you need to
boot are already compiled into your kernel:
genkernel --install --no-ramdisk-modules initramfs
Plus optionally, If you know you don't need any of
William Hubbs posted on Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:26:57 -0500 as excerpted:
Here is the latest version of the news item; this gives a few days
notification before the unmasking.
Thanks.
--
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:03:50PM +, Duncan wrote:
Meanwhile, also note that there's PARTLABEL, PARTUUID and ID, that the
mount manpage promises to honor. I've not used these myself, but there
was a thread on the btrfs list discussing GPT format and users of its
partition-labels (as
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
On 11.3.2012 23.43, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:28:19PM +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
On 11.3.2012 17.33, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/11/2012 04:03 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
The Display-If-Installed atom shows the
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 3/14 UTC.
I guess this might be OK for unstable, but before this goes stable we
really need to improve the docs around
On 3/10/12 6:53 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
neither the genkernel nor dracut docs have specific instructions about
I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use
and/or try to figure out which are the items that should be moved to /
and fix the remaining ones...
lu
Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 3/14 UTC.
I guess this might be OK for unstable, but before this goes stable we
really need to
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
I guess we could pour more effort in getting dracut more easy to use and/or
try to figure out which are the items that should be moved to / and fix the
remaining ones...
Well, I'm trying not to take sides in that war.
On 3/10/12 7:50 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Well, I'm trying not to take sides in that war. Unless we want to
patch the living daylights out of upsteam it seems almost moot.
It is not a matter about siding. If our boot process requires glib or
dbus we are sore idiots if we aren't either of them
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:53:25 -0500 as excerpted:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org
wrote:
here is the udev 181 unmasking news item.
If all goes well, this will be committed to the tree on 3/14 UTC.
I guess this might be OK for
On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:27:06 -0600
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
An initramfs which does this is created by =sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25 or
=sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be
sure any initramfs you create pre-mounts /usr.
We should really have
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