Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On 08/11/2016 06:19 PM, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 18:00, kirjutas Mike Gilbert: >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Kent Fredric >> wrote: >>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:07:27 -0400 >>> Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >>> but

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On 08/10/2016 10:53 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 00:10:53 +0100 > James Le Cuirot wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> We, like almost everyone else and presumably upstream, install PCRE 8 >> as libpcre.so.1. Debian, for reasons best known to themselves, install >> it

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:48 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > > I regret to say, although it's a well-known problem .. that the Gentoo > bike-shed is never ever going to fall down - as the layers of paint > applied will grossly outlive the materials it might once have been built >

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:40:38 -0500 james wrote: > Ok, show us a solution based on your dashed items That's not what were doing here. We have a bunch of different solutions with different trade-offs, and whatever happens has to live with everything else. And so we're

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On 12/08/16 18:40, james wrote: > On 08/12/2016 10:39 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:12:22 -0500 >> james wrote: >> >>> (also, I'm not hung up on 'Jentoo' as a name; perhaps 'Gintoo'? >>> >>> (peace && hth), >>> James >> >> Way outside the scope needed here.

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On 08/12/2016 10:39 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:12:22 -0500 james wrote: (also, I'm not hung up on 'Jentoo' as a name; perhaps 'Gintoo'? (peace && hth), James Way outside the scope needed here. However we pull off Zhenchoo, its going to be built on

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:12:22 -0500 james wrote: > (also, I'm not hung up on 'Jentoo' as a name; perhaps 'Gintoo'? > > (peace && hth), > James Way outside the scope needed here. However we pull off Zhenchoo, its going to be built on top of portage and our package management

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On 08/11/2016 07:32 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:27:14 -0700 Patrick McLean wrote: It's not like there is a shortage of packages that install crappy crap on your system... In this instance I agree that we're kinda stressing about the wrong thing. But

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 18:00, kirjutas Mike Gilbert: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Kent Fredric > wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:07:27 -0400 > > Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > > > but realistically this should be > > > installed to

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:27:14 -0700 Patrick McLean wrote: > It's not like there is a shortage of > packages that install crappy crap on your system... In this instance I agree that we're kinda stressing about the wrong thing. But I can't support that reasoning. "There is

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:50:53 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 20:56:20 +0100 > James Le Cuirot wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:05:00 -0400 > > Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > > > On 11/08/16 10:57 AM, Mart Raudsepp

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:07:27 -0400 > Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > >> but realistically this should be >> installed to /usr/$(get_libdir)/debiancompat/ or similar, and if you >> still don't want to wrap the

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > If you are going to commit such crap into Gentoo ignoring people more > knowledgeable than you, please spare us the effort and open a QA bug > against it requesting that you remove it immediately. Thank you. Feel > free to

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:50:53 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > > We don't package Steam itself and doing so isn't viable. We package > > upstream's script for bootstrapping it under the user's HOME. As > > such, there is nowhere to create such a symlink. It's not actually > > Steam

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 20:56:20 +0100 James Le Cuirot wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:05:00 -0400 > Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > On 11/08/16 10:57 AM, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > > > Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 12:56, kirjutas Ulrich > > > Mueller: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:05:00 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 11/08/16 10:57 AM, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > > Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 12:56, kirjutas Ulrich > > Mueller: > >>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, James Le Cuirot wrote: > >> > Have you asked Debian why

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:53:31 +1200 Kent Fredric wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 00:10:53 +0100 > James Le Cuirot wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > We, like almost everyone else and presumably upstream, install PCRE > > 8 as libpcre.so.1. Debian, for reasons

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Aug 11, 2016 1:03 PM, "Matt Turner" wrote: > The API is Vulkan with a k. Vulcan is where Spock is from. Thanks for contributing to the discussion.

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:27 AM, james wrote: > be able to offer guidance, hence, I have filed no bugs on Vulcan. I'm not The API is Vulkan with a k. Vulcan is where Spock is from.

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On 08/11/2016 11:32 AM, Mart Raudsepp wrote: Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 11:23, kirjutas james: Whilst devs are discussing the future of Valve's offerings on gentoo, it'd be wise to consider the effects of "Vulcan" as it is FOSS where all video card vendors can inter-operate with

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 11:23, kirjutas james: > Whilst devs are discussing the future of Valve's offerings on > gentoo,  > it'd be wise to consider the effects of "Vulcan" as it is FOSS where > all  > video card vendors can inter-operate with multiple game vendors. > Vulcan  > will

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 00:10:53 +0100 > James Le Cuirot wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> We, like almost everyone else and presumably upstream, install PCRE 8 >> as libpcre.so.1. Debian, for reasons best known

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 11:05, kirjutas Ian Stakenvicius: > Wouldn't the most simple solution here would be to make a symlink for > libpcre.so.3 within the local bindir for each Valve or whatever > package that needs it?  This is a binary-package-supporting hack, > might as well do

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On 11/08/16 10:57 AM, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 12:56, kirjutas Ulrich Mueller: >>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, James Le Cuirot wrote: >> Have you asked Debian why they are doing that? >> >>> I did find out but had since forgotten. Here it is: >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:57:59 +0300 Mart Raudsepp wrote: > I strongly believe that it's important to have such a use case as > Steam work problem-free in Gentoo. Steam isn't a use case, it's a program. -- Ciaran McCreesh

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 12:56, kirjutas Ulrich Mueller: > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, James Le Cuirot wrote: > > > > Have you asked Debian why they are doing that? > > > I did find out but had since forgotten. Here it is: > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, James Le Cuirot wrote: > >> That makes it slightly more awkward for binaries you may have >> installed manually. > > It is impossible to support all third-party binaries, especially if > they link

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, James Le Cuirot wrote: > That makes it slightly more awkward for binaries you may have > installed manually. It is impossible to support all third-party binaries, especially if they link against non-standard libraries because they aim for bug compatibility with another

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On 08/11/2016 01:20 PM, James Le Cuirot wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:56:02 +0200 > Ulrich Mueller wrote: > IMHO providing compatibility symlinks for proprietary binary-only programs isn't the task of the libpcre package. >> >>> I'm fine with putting it in

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:56:02 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> IMHO providing compatibility symlinks for proprietary binary-only > >> programs isn't the task of the libpcre package. > > > I'm fine with putting it in libpcre-debian package as kentnl > > suggested. > > I

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, James Le Cuirot wrote: >> Have you asked Debian why they are doing that? > I did find out but had since forgotten. Here it is: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=380725#10 So they are aware of the issue since 10 years, but chose not to fix it?

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:43:41 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, James Le Cuirot wrote: > > > We, like almost everyone else and presumably upstream, install PCRE > > 8 as libpcre.so.1. Debian, for reasons best known to themselves, > > install it as

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, James Le Cuirot wrote: > We, like almost everyone else and presumably upstream, install PCRE 8 > as libpcre.so.1. Debian, for reasons best known to themselves, install > it as libpcre.so.3. With Ubuntu still being the most widely accepted > "standard" Linux desktop,

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 00:10:53 +0100 James Le Cuirot wrote: > Hello all, > > We, like almost everyone else and presumably upstream, install PCRE 8 > as libpcre.so.1. Debian, for reasons best known to themselves, install > it as libpcre.so.3. With Ubuntu still being the most

[gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian

Hello all, We, like almost everyone else and presumably upstream, install PCRE 8 as libpcre.so.1. Debian, for reasons best known to themselves, install it as libpcre.so.3. With Ubuntu still being the most widely accepted "standard" Linux desktop, this presents a problem when dealing with