On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:24:33PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 16 March 2007, Miroslav Šulc (fordfrog) wrote:
Just a note to this. I'm co-maintainer of netbeans ebuild. Netbeans does
milestone releases. These are pretty stable and usable since milestone 7
of netbeans 6.0 with
Rather then analyze the proposed solution, I'd like to
question the problem itself. Do we really want to provide
all the different intermediate development sort of releases
in our tree?
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
After reviewing
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 01:08 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
Rather then analyze the proposed solution, I'd like to
question the problem itself. Do we really want to provide
all the different intermediate development sort of releases
in our tree?
That came up in the link I provided in
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According to
http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/file-format/index.html#file-naming-rules
it seems to me the versioning is focused on package stability life
cycle. In netbeans case it is _prealpha and definitely not stable
patched release. So
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
IMHO I think it should be up to the package maintainer how close they
want to follow upstream. With regard to development, progress, testing,
qa, feedback. I think it's a very good thing, since it allows things to
be caught before actual releases, during
Miroslav Šulc (fordfrog) napsal(a):
According to
http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/file-format/index.html#file-naming-rules
it seems to me the versioning is focused on package stability life
cycle. In netbeans case it is _prealpha and definitely not stable
patched release. So _alpha
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Marius Mauch wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:25:17 -0400
William L. Thomson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hierarchy would be the following
snapshot - dev - build - alpha - beta
And that's where the problems start. As you said yourself
Any objections to globalizing the 'gs' use flag on support for ghostscript?
$ euse -i gs
global use flags (searching: gs)
no matching entries found
local use flags (searching: gs)
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Jakub Moc napsal(a):
Miroslav Šulc (fordfrog) napsal(a):
According to
http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/file-format/index.html#file-naming-rules
it seems to me the versioning is focused on package stability life
cycle. In netbeans case
On Saturday 17 of March 2007 12:28:42 Steve Dibb wrote:
Any objections to globalizing the 'gs' use flag on support for ghostscript?
I have heard about the magic limit of 5, but whatever...
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:46:22 +0100 Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
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One thing we could do would be to separate hierarchy from version
naming.
That was one of Zynot's goals. You might want to investigate how they
ended up solving it.
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On Samstag, 17. März 2007, Jakub Moc wrote:
Actually stuff like cat/pkg-1.2_alpha3_pre4 is valid now and honored by
portage; dunno how does that fit the netbeans upstream scheme, though.
The additional postfix is reserved exclusively for user local ebuilds, not for
the ones provided by us.
Carsten Lohrke kirjoitti:
On Samstag, 17. März 2007, Jakub Moc wrote:
Actually stuff like cat/pkg-1.2_alpha3_pre4 is valid now and honored by
portage; dunno how does that fit the netbeans upstream scheme, though.
The additional postfix is reserved exclusively for user local ebuilds, not
This is a valid argument for a single postfix with a lower order than alpha,
but not a reason to add everything what's out there. I don't see the need to
match upstream's versioning bit by bit. Honestly said I've never understood
why our order is alpha, beta, pre and not pre, alpha, beta, which
On Samstag, 17. März 2007, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
IMHO I think it should be up to the package maintainer how close they
want to follow upstream. With regard to development, progress, testing,
qa, feedback. I think it's a very good thing, since it allows things to
be caught before actual
Well that's the problem. When I use say _pre instead of _dev it gives
off the wrong impression to users judging package by it's name. Since
it's not a pre-release. A user may go upstream looking for some sort of
pre-release. Which they won't find.
We have stable, testing and masked ebuilds.
Carsten Lohrke napsal(a):
The additional postfix is reserved exclusively for user local ebuilds, not
for
the ones provided by us.
Such as media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.14_rc2_p3234 ? :)
Anyway, if you have better ideas, move them to Bug 166522; multiple
suffixes are definitely needed, just
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:06:07 +0200 Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Carsten Lohrke kirjoitti:
On Samstag, 17. März 2007, Jakub Moc wrote:
Actually stuff like cat/pkg-1.2_alpha3_pre4 is valid now and
honored by portage; dunno how does that fit the netbeans upstream
scheme, though.
On Samstag, 17. März 2007, Petteri Räty wrote:
It's already used by alsa-driver.
Then either me or the one doing so missed something on the discussion, why it
was requested in the first place. Something to clarify in our ebuild policy.
Carsten
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Steve Dibb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any objections to globalizing the 'gs' use flag on support for ghostscript?
snip
[-] gs (app-office/rabbit):
Ghostscript support
[-] gs (media-gfx/graphicsmagick):
enable ghostscript support
[-] gs (media-gfx/imagemagick):
enable
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 02:20 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
There is a bit of contradiction in what you said there.
Either the package is well tested, and should go into the tree, first
with ~arch keywords, and then eventually with arch keywords, or
it is experimental, and as such has
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 14:13 +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
On Samstag, 17. März 2007, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
IMHO I think it should be up to the package maintainer how close they
want to follow upstream. With regard to development, progress, testing,
qa, feedback. I think it's a very
If you're feeling ambitious, it might be more appropriate to change that
use flag to ``ps: Add support for postscript'' so that it describes the
functionality rather than the package providing that functionality.
Isn't less ambiguous 'postscript' even better?
Love,
H
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:01:45 +0100
Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Samstag, 17. März 2007, Jakub Moc wrote:
Actually stuff like cat/pkg-1.2_alpha3_pre4 is valid now and honored by
portage; dunno how does that fit the netbeans upstream scheme, though.
The additional postfix is
Michael Krelin wrote:
If you're feeling ambitious, it might be more appropriate to change that
use flag to ``ps: Add support for postscript'' so that it describes the
functionality rather than the package providing that functionality.
Isn't less ambiguous 'postscript' even better?
I was
Larry Lines wrote:
The network analysts at
one of my jobs actually make the new people install Gentoo on a box just
for the experience.
Unless there's a compelling business argument for this practice, I
consider it an abuse of authority. Does this practice increase revenues
or decrease
Piotr Jaroszy?ski wrote:
I have heard about the magic limit of 5, but whatever...
Is there a *technical* objection then to server?
global use flags (searching: server)
no matching entries found
local use flags (searching: server)
Steve Dibb wrote:
Michael Krelin wrote:
If you're feeling ambitious, it might be more appropriate to change that
use flag to ``ps: Add support for postscript'' so that it describes the
functionality rather than the package providing that functionality.
Isn't less ambiguous 'postscript' even
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
Larry Lines wrote:
The network analysts at
one of my jobs actually make the new people install Gentoo on a box just
for the experience.
Unless there's a compelling business argument for this practice, I
consider it an abuse of authority. Does this practice
Steve Long wrote:
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
Larry Lines wrote:
The network analysts at
one of my jobs actually make the new people install Gentoo on a box just
for the experience.
Unless there's a compelling business argument for this practice, I
consider it an
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
I think you're massively underestimating the requirements of the
average user, what with the tree as complex as it is these days. Most
users now:
* Have to use external repositories
* Have to handle at least some keywording overrides themselves
* Have to have some way of
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