Mike Frysinger wrote:
any other potential ideas ? (pretend my idea here isnt the greatest thing
since Robot Chicken)
Lies...nothing is better than Robot Chicken!
--
Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
Gentoo Linux Developer
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:47:04 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mayhaps we need a new function to be run in src_install() to label
files as sensitive ... so baselayout would do:
esosensitive /etc/{fstab,group,passwd,shadow}
and then we expand the format of CONTENTS in the vdb:
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 00:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
there are many files out there that contain critical information about your
system ...
however, there are certainly cases where the admin fully knows what they're
doing and they want to create a binary package of their system with
On Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2007, Olivier Crête wrote:
I will claim that almost any file in /etc is potentially sensitive (even
if it does not contain passwords, if may contain other informations
interesting to a cracker). And even if we did what you propose, we'd run
the risk of missing some and
Marius Mauch wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mayhaps we need a new function to be run in src_install() to label
files as sensitive ... so baselayout would do:
esosensitive /etc/{fstab,group,passwd,shadow}
and then we expand the format of CONTENTS in the vdb:
priv /etc/fstab
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:15:20 +0200
Matthias Schwarzott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2007, Olivier Crête wrote:
I will claim that almost any file in /etc is potentially sensitive
(even if it does not contain passwords, if may contain other
informations interesting to a
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
will be joining us to help with the netmon stuff. Ali hails us from
Turkey. He is currently a physics engineering stupid in the Istanbul
Technical University and a real wizard in chess. He is the National
Master to be more exact.
Matthias Schwarzott [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 20 Jun 2007
15:15:20 +0200:
On Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2007, Olivier Crête wrote:
I will claim that almost any file in /etc is potentially sensitive
(even if it does not contain passwords, if may contain
Welcome Ali! And no, I don't think I will challenge you in chess any
time soon. :)
-Joe
Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
will be joining us to help with the netmon stuff. Ali hails us from
Turkey. He is currently a physics
On Wednesday, June 20, 2007 06:54:42 PM Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
[...] is the National Master to be more exact.
Where's Deep Blue when you need it?! ;-)
Welcome, Ali!
Best regards, Wulf
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On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 19:14 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
On Wednesday, June 20, 2007 06:54:42 PM Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
[...] is the National Master to be more exact.
Where's Deep Blue when you need it?! ;-)
Wasn't built
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 19:54 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
will be joining us to help with the netmon stuff. Ali hails us from
Turkey. He is currently a physics engineering stupid in the Istanbul
Contrary to popular opinion, I am
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Marius Mauch wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mayhaps we need a new function to be run in src_install() to label
files as sensitive ... so baselayout would do:
esosensitive /etc/{fstab,group,passwd,shadow}
and then we expand the format of CONTENTS
Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
will be joining us to help with the netmon stuff. Ali hails us from
Turkey. He is currently a physics engineering stupid in the Istanbul
Technical University and a real wizard in chess. He is the National
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Olivier Crête wrote:
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 00:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
there are many files out there that contain critical information about
your system ...
however, there are certainly cases where the admin fully knows what
they're doing and they want
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:07:07 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no reason to write off something critical like this when it can be
addressed
It can be addressed by banning binary package creation off an
installed filesystem.
--
Ciaran McCreesh
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Mike Frysinger kirjoitti:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Marius Mauch wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mayhaps we need a new function to be run in src_install() to label
files as sensitive ... so baselayout would do:
esosensitive /etc/{fstab,group,passwd,shadow}
and then we expand
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:07:07 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no reason to write off something critical like this when it can be
addressed
It can be addressed by banning binary package creation off an
installed filesystem.
I'm not sure that's really a
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no reason to write off something critical like this when it can be
addressed
It can be addressed by banning binary package creation off an
installed filesystem.
there's no fun in that
-mike
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:19:46 -0500
Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure that's really a feasible solution (but then you probably
weren't suggesting it with that intention). Being able to create a
backup of any installed package without re-emerging is pretty
handy. Many people
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Petteri Räty wrote:
Mike Frysinger kirjoitti:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Marius Mauch wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mayhaps we need a new function to be run in src_install() to label
files as sensitive ... so baselayout would do:
esosensitive
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:27:27 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
being able to generate binary packages that actually reflect the live
$ROOT is desirable
Is being able to generate redistributable binary packages that reflect
the live ROOT desirable?
--
Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 21:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:27:27 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
being able to generate binary packages that actually reflect the live
$ROOT is desirable
Is being able to generate redistributable binary packages that
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:19:46 -0500
Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure that's really a feasible solution (but then you probably
weren't suggesting it with that intention). Being able to create a
backup of any installed package without re-emerging is
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
being able to generate binary packages that actually reflect the live
$ROOT is desirable
Is being able to generate redistributable binary packages that reflect
the live ROOT desirable?
that's a
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:48:50 -0400
Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 21:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:27:27 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
being able to generate binary packages that actually reflect the
live $ROOT is
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:54:34 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
being able to generate binary packages that actually reflect the
live $ROOT is desirable
Is being able to generate
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:18 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote:
It would probably be prudent to have pristine versions of the files
installed on the system (optional) so that you can actually create
binary packages with all the files.
If we go that direction we could have like a --live flag to
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 15:53 -0500, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
This still allows the social engineering attack. Someone can get a binpkg
created with quickpkg of someone else's baselayout and then remove the
marking
that would make portage gripe.
That's providing people pay attention to portage
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:54:34 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
being able to generate binary packages that actually reflect the
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:19:01 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The specific underlying question being, what are the use cases for
binary packages?
the use of the binpkg is not an issue, it's the creation ... people
blindly creating tbz2's which could contain their sensitive
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 15:57 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Marius Mauch wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mayhaps we need a new function to be run in src_install() to label
files as sensitive ... so baselayout would do:
esosensitive
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ned Ludd wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 15:57 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Marius Mauch wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mayhaps we need a new function to be run in src_install() to label
files as sensitive ... so
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The specific underlying question being, what are the use cases for
binary packages?
the use of the binpkg is not an issue, it's the creation ... people
blindly creating tbz2's which could contain
welcome here too ;)
i assume Petteri means to apply sed s/stupid/student/ ? ;)
unfortunately i didn't play chess in way too long so i now suck :(
--
Thomas Raschbacher
http://www.lordvan.com
quote who=Joe Peterson
Welcome Ali! And no, I don't think I will challenge you in chess any
time
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:38:22 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The specific underlying question being, what are the use cases
for binary packages?
the use of the binpkg is not an
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Thomas Raschbacher - LordVan - Gentoo wrote:
i assume Petteri means to apply sed s/stupid/student/ ? ;)
I assume that too. Wonder what would Freud say about this mistake :) I
think Petteri is also a student himself :)
Anyway, welcome Ali :)
- --
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The specific underlying question being, what are the use cases
for binary packages?
the use of
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 17:19 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:54:34 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
being
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Olivier Crête wrote:
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 17:19 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
the use of the binpkg is not an issue, it's the creation ... people
blindly creating tbz2's which could contain their sensitive files and
posting them
i'll just go ahead with the
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The specific underlying question being, what are the use cases for
binary packages?
Ever managed a network of multiple Gentoo identical Gentoo machines?
Compiling the exact same packages with the exact same
USE/C(XX)FLAGS/LDFLAGS/etc on
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:31:32 -0700
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The specific underlying question being, what are the use cases for
binary packages?
Ever managed a network of multiple Gentoo identical Gentoo machines?
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 18:28 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Olivier Crête wrote:
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 17:19 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
the use of the binpkg is not an issue, it's the creation ... people
blindly creating tbz2's which could contain their sensitive
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:31:32 -0700
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The specific underlying question being, what are the use cases for
binary packages?
Ever managed a network of multiple Gentoo
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Olivier Crête wrote:
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 18:28 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Olivier Crête wrote:
On Wed, 2007-20-06 at 17:19 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
the use of the binpkg is not an issue, it's the creation ... people
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
what are the use cases for binary packages?
Apart from those already mentioned by Chris, I use FEATURES=buildpkg to
be able to recover from a catastrophic experiment with a package's
content, for being able to quickly reinstall it. Although it's lame,
it's pretty easy to
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:31:32 -0700
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The specific underlying question being, what are the use cases for
binary packages?
Ever
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 18:50 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
Well, I often use quickpkg when I want to try a new version of a package
(I quickpkg the currently installed one.. and I want to keep all the
config files). Then I emerge the new one, and I absolutely want to be
able to restore the
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 16:08 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:31:32 -0700
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The specific underlying question
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:08:33 -0700
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's one use case, yes. Now what are the others?
Release building... Backups... Testing newer packages...
Now expand upon those.
Oh yeah,and who said we really needed more than one use case?
If you make your
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 18:50 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
Well, I often use quickpkg when I want to try a new version of a
package (I quickpkg the currently installed one.. and I want to keep
all the config files). Then I emerge the new
Oh yeah,and who said we really needed more than one use case? I think
providing tools to allow Gentoo to be adopted in the corporate
environment is reason enough to have binary package support, and I feel
that many people will agree with me.
Well I'm sure you'll be over the moon to know I do
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:19:46 -0500
Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure that's really a feasible solution (but then you probably
weren't suggesting it with that intention). Being able to create a
backup of any installed package without re-emerging is
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
That's providing people pay attention to portage griping in the first
place. Which I would assume most don't :) Unless they have to.
That's why I posted that script a few months ago:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-546828.html
It's updated for bash 3.2 and
Andrew Gaffney wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Andrew Gaffney wrote:
I'm not sure that's really a feasible solution (but then you probably
weren't suggesting it with that intention). Being able to create a
backup of any installed package without re-emerging is pretty
handy. Many people use it
Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
will be joining us to help with the netmon stuff. Ali hails us from
Turkey. He is currently a physics engineering stupid in the Istanbul
Technical University and a real wizard in chess. He is the National
On K, 2007-06-20 at 19:54 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
will be joining us to help with the netmon stuff.
Welcome Ali!
Ali hails us from
Turkey. He is currently a physics engineering stupid in the Istanbul
Technical University
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Josh Saddler wrote:
Do potential licensing/copyright issues like these factor into your
proposal in any way?
no, that's an exercise for the user and no one else ... there's no way i'd
have the tools prevent this. about the only thing i'd add is a reminder
message
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Josh Saddler wrote:
Do potential licensing/copyright issues like these factor into your
proposal in any way?
no, that's an exercise for the user and no one else ... there's no way i'd
have the tools prevent this.
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Josh Saddler wrote:
Do potential licensing/copyright issues like these factor into your
proposal in any way?
no, that's an exercise for the user and no one else ... there's no way i'd
have the
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