[gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for December

2007-12-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC). If you're supposed to show up, please show up. If you're not supposed to show up, then show up

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alon Bar-Lev wrote: As I told you before, I wont slot these two. Could you provide a link to reasons that lead you to this decision so that interested readers can make their own opinion? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Petteri Räty
Doug Klima kirjoitti: Since it doesn't appear the question was answered by the last thread. I'm starting a new thread. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/52981/match=eapi I think it was answered. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On K, 2007-12-12 at 07:07 +0200, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 12/12/07, William L. Thomson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...We will keep maintaining GnuPG-1 versions because they are very useful for small systems and for server based applications requiring only OpenPGP support. As I told you

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On 12/12/07, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alon Bar-Lev wrote: As I told you before, I wont slot these two. Could you provide a link to reasons that lead you to this decision so that interested readers can make their own opinion? http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159623 Best

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On 12/12/07, Mart Raudsepp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With no slotting I can bet on GnuPG-1 going away shortly after all architectures have stabled GnuPG-2, gpg-1.X series will be available as long as upstream maintain it. or is that not so and such users can mask =GnuPG-1.9 and keep using a

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:59:28 -0500 Doug Klima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: discuss. * EAPI may only be set before the 'inherit' in an ebuild. * Eclasses may not set EAPI. * Eclasses may not assume a particular EAPI. * If an eclass needs to work with multiple EAPIs, EAPI-specific code should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Dec 12, 2007 1:21 PM, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:59:28 -0500 Doug Klima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: discuss. * EAPI may only be set before the 'inherit' in an ebuild. * Eclasses may not set EAPI. * Eclasses may not assume a particular EAPI. * If an

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Doug Klima
Petteri Räty wrote: Doug Klima kirjoitti: Since it doesn't appear the question was answered by the last thread. I'm starting a new thread. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/52981/match=eapi I think it was answered. Regards, Petteri And I brough up valid

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:08:36 +0100 Santiago M. Mola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to have eclass/eapiBLAH/foo.eclass? No. Not even with an EAPI change. This is one of the deficiencies in the way EAPI was designed -- an EAPI cannot change the behaviour of inherit, nor can it

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:20:02 -0500 Doug Klima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I brough up valid reasons with zmedico why putting it before the inherit line was flawed currently since it could lead to some seriously unexpected behavior. It's only unexpected if people screw up. If everyone

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Doug Klima
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:59:28 -0500 Doug Klima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: discuss. * EAPI may only be set before the 'inherit' in an ebuild. * Eclasses may not set EAPI. * Eclasses may not assume a particular EAPI. * If an eclass needs to work with multiple

[gentoo-dev] Use the Log

2007-12-12 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi everyone, this is a reminder especially for architecture people: Please use the ChangeLog and really log everything you did. Don't do a change and forget to document it. Oh and please don't forget to remove your arches from the cc field if there is a bug. V-Li -- Christian Faulhammer,

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:22:41 -0500 Doug Klima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is it's fine to state this, however there needs to be enforcement of this in the associated utilities. repoman, etc. Unfortunately, eclasses are not checked at all at commit time, which would allow developers to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:26 +0200, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 12/12/07, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alon Bar-Lev wrote: As I told you before, I wont slot these two. Could you provide a link to reasons that lead you to this decision so that interested readers can make their own

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
On Wednesday 12 of December 2007 15:20:19 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The .ebuild-eapi proposal didn't have this problem, but unfortunately it was rejected for political reasons... I wasn't around then, but the requirment of actually sourcing the ebuild to read the EAPI value is extremely stupid

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Doug Klima
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:20:02 -0500 Doug Klima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I brough up valid reasons with zmedico why putting it before the inherit line was flawed currently since it could lead to some seriously unexpected behavior. It's only unexpected if

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 12/12/07, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alon Bar-Lev wrote: As I told you before, I wont slot these two. Could you provide a link to reasons that lead you to this decision so that interested readers can make their own opinion?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:30 +0200, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Slotting makes logic if there is some advantage of having both slots installed at the same machine, Guess it's never been clear to you in upstream announcement that gnupg-1 BENEFITS from gnupg-2 co-existing. Again go back and read the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Use the Log

2007-12-12 Thread Doug Klima
Christian Faulhammer wrote: Hi everyone, this is a reminder especially for architecture people: Please use the ChangeLog and really log everything you did. Don't do a change and forget to document it. Oh and please don't forget to remove your arches from the cc field if there is a bug.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Dec 12, 2007 4:08 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:26 +0200, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 12/12/07, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alon Bar-Lev wrote: As I told you before, I wont slot these two. Could you provide a link to reasons

Re: [gentoo-dev] Use the Log

2007-12-12 Thread Raúl Porcel
Christian Faulhammer wrote: Hi everyone, this is a reminder especially for architecture people: Please use the ChangeLog and really log everything you did. Don't do a change and forget to document it. Oh and please don't forget to remove your arches from the cc field if there is a bug.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Doug Klima
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:26 +0200, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 12/12/07, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alon Bar-Lev wrote: As I told you before, I wont slot these two. Could you provide a link to reasons that lead you to this

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 11:11 -0500, Doug Klima wrote: William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: Why don't you step up and offer to help maintain this? If your asking me, because I am already over committed. I can't be in all places doing all things. Plus in this regard I am just a user, and we should

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Eclasses may not set EAPI. * Eclasses may not assume a particular EAPI. I disagree here. It would be annoying and possibly even hindering in future not being able to use higher EAPI features in eclasses. Point is the eclass has to

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Dec 12, 2007 11:14 PM, Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Eclasses may not set EAPI. * Eclasses may not assume a particular EAPI. I disagree here. It would be annoying and possibly even hindering in future not being able to

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:14:24 +0100 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree here. It would be annoying and possibly even hindering in future not being able to use higher EAPI features in eclasses. Point is the eclass has to check, if the author of an ebuild sets another EAPI and

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI placement

2007-12-12 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:00:51 -0500 Doug Klima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you could simply have $pkg_manager execute an eclass as 1 EAPI, another eclass as another and the ebuild as a third EAPI and simplify it for the eclass maintenance. Which doesn't work at all. Simple example would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:03:56AM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:30 +0200, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Slotting makes logic if there is some advantage of having both slots installed at the same machine, Guess it's never been clear to you in upstream announcement that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 20:46 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: See the attached diff between the argument parsing. Ok, thank you I warned you last time, that it wasn't commandline argumnents, but configure file arguments. Part of that was going from the wrapper to replicate missing commands or