Re: [gentoo-dev] Of Mips and Devs [Was: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January]

2008-01-10 Thread Alin Năstac
Mike Frysinger wrote: 3. Should Gentoo even continue to support mips? i see dropping keywords as a very last resort. getting a port *back* into the tree is a *tremendous* amount of work (i went through it and it was hell), while keeping ~arch alive is a sliver of effort and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Of Mips and Devs [Was: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January]

2008-01-10 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 10 January 2008, Alin Năstac wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: 3. Should Gentoo even continue to support mips? i see dropping keywords as a very last resort. getting a port *back* into the tree is a *tremendous* amount of work (i went through it and it was hell), while keeping

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-10 Thread Rémi Cardona
Petteri Räty a écrit : I wouldn't say ssh is any more important than a dhcp client. +1 from me. With a quick glance at portage, I found at least those ssh implementations : - openssh - ssh - ossh - dropbear - ... (probably a few more whose name I couldn't find) This might even be worth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:52:37 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went and created a tiny script[1] to change mips KEYWORDS to ~mips in the tree, and created a patch[2] against the current CVS tree. Were the Council to choose this course of action, the work is mostly done.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:33:40 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why I find it funny that people even bother to listen to Ciaran, at all. All he cares about is his little pet projects/teams and doesn't care if it increases workload for everybody else. I mean, where would

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-10 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 10 January 2008, Rémi Cardona wrote: With a quick glance at portage, I found at least those ssh implementations : - openssh none of those are suitable replacements for openssh. - ssh non-commercial only, not tested on all arches - ossh only tested on x86, no idea on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:54:47 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 09:25 -0500, Caleb Tennis wrote: I never even mentioned any specific arch in my original request, nor did I call any developer out. So please, nobody needs to take this personally.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread George Shapovalov
Scientific Gentoo Monday, 7. January 2008, Luca Barbato Ви написали: Are we fine? More or less, I'd say Ok with the stuff we have in the tree already. Need more devs (who does not? :)) that's for sure. Right now we are ~10 people for 300 packages and there are another ~300+ in bugzilla. Which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread José Luis Rivero (yoswink)
Hi *: Speaking for Gentoo/Alpha Arch Team (ferdy is the lead but I used to be the status report guy): Luca Barbato escribió: Are we fine? I would say: yes. Reasons: - General keywording is just fine. - Security bugs are done in a reasonable period of time. - We have a new and shiny

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Rémi Cardona
Gnome Herd (although my commit rate is kinda low these days) Luca Barbato a écrit : Are we fine? Mostly, Gnome packages these days tend to be more stable, pushing the complexity (and breakages) lower down into the stack (HAL, PolicyKit) The rest of team is steadily adding Gnome 2.20.3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread George Shapovalov
Programming Languages and (sub) Ada Monday, 7. January 2008, Luca Barbato Ви написали: Are we fine? PL: Ok as it is but could be better. It was concieved, among other things, to consolidate resources and, possibly, do discussions of common things for some of the languages we have support for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Ferris McCormick
For sparc: 1. Are we fine? Qualified yes. We are understaffed and at some point burn out is going to catch up with us. At the moment we seem to be keeping up, largely because of the superhuman efforts of Raúl Porcel (armin76). Also because of his and agaffney's efforts, we are on track for

[gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Duncan
Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:41:55 +0200: Luca Barbato kirjoitti: Petteri Räty wrote: [Java] any plan/idea about icedtea? as a ppc user I'd love[] Well having it open source doesn't mean automatically ppc support but

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-10 Thread Duncan
Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:12:06 -0800: We all know that ssh is good for sysadmins and netadmins and Gentoo developers, etc. However, desktop users -- i.e., those not in those categories, which is most everyone else, likely

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-10 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 14:37 -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Implicit dependencies waste more time than pretty much anything else. Almost all circular dependency issues we currently have are due to implicit dependencies. Maybe OT (an idea in a very early state): For the implicit dependencies

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 14:06 +, Duncan wrote: Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:41:55 +0200: Luca Barbato kirjoitti: Petteri Räty wrote: [Java] any plan/idea about icedtea? as a ppc user I'd love[] Well having

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-10 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:42:57 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: I already ranted about the fact that the dependency tree of our ebuilds is vastly incomplete, as many lack dependency on zlib; trying to get this fixed was impossible, as Donnie and other insisted that as

[gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Duncan
William L. Thomson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:27:08 -0500: I need to double check, but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that is not the case, things like the plugin and other non-open aspects aren't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Anant Narayanan
Good day All, Sorry for the thread hijack, but... GWN: The GWN is currently in a permanent state of hiatus. I have no intentions on spending another minute working on the GWN. While many, many improvements have been made in the processes for getting the automated data, getting articles has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Alec Warner
n 1/7/08, Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a list of interesting questions: Are we fine? What are we going to do? Please project leaders try to reply in short. About the stuff I'm involved: Are we fine? GLEPS - Thanks to nesyx I rewrote the glep index to use new tables and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:08:46 + Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the mean time, I'll just say that if you don't drop the personal attacks and apologise, I'll have no choice but to take it up with devrel. s|devrel|userrel| Thanks, JeR -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-10 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 10 January 2008, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 14:37 -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Implicit dependencies waste more time than pretty much anything else. Almost all circular dependency issues we currently have are due to implicit dependencies. Maybe OT

[gentoo-dev] GMN (was: Re: Projects and subproject status)

2008-01-10 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Anant Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If nobody has a problem with making the GWN a GMN (Monthly newsletter), then I am willing to volunteer to get this project back on track. Fine, as I do for some time now I submit weekly summaries of activities on Planet Gentoo...so be assured I will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Marius Mauch
About portage: Current status: The portage project is mostly fine, though we've missed my original plan to release the first 2.2 test versions last year, mostly because of lack of time on my part. I hope we can fix that within the next two or three months. As Paul has already mentioned, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 07:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:33:40 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why I find it funny that people even bother to listen to Ciaran, at all. All he cares about is his little pet projects/teams and doesn't care if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Alexander Færøy
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 11:49:24AM -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote: I've not been doing the GWN for a few months now Yes, we noticed that. What about 2007.1? As release engineering lead that *should* be your pet project. -- Alexander Færøy -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:49:24 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to bring up an issue with Developer Relations. They'll likely throw it out because YOU ARE NOT A DEVELOPER. Also, you'll notice that rather than call you names, which is really your forte, I have instead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Petteri Räty
William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti: No clue on ETA. I will take a peek/poke at it. I need to double check, but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that is not the case, things like the plugin and other non-open aspects aren't available yet in icedtea. So there is still

RE: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Chrissy Fullam
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to bring up an issue with Developer Relations. They'll likely throw it out because YOU ARE NOT A DEVELOPER. Also, you'll notice that rather than call you names, which is really your forte, I have instead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 22:21 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti: No clue on ETA. I will take a peek/poke at it. I need to double check, but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that is not the case, things like the plugin and other

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Petteri Räty
William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti: gcj is not even official maintained by any Gentoo Devs atm. No where near close to being added to tree. Much less in the same overlay as openjdk. Not that it's in bad shape, but there is no syncing or collaboration there. But seems moot, as IcedTea should not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 20:53 Thu 10 Jan , Marius Mauch wrote: - release test versions of portage-2.2, see how all the new stuff works in practice and adjust things if necessary Could you start kicking out masked/unkeyworded snapshots? Release early, release often, and all that jazz. Thanks, Donnie --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 23:35 +0530, Anant Narayanan wrote: If nobody has a problem with making the GWN a GMN (Monthly newsletter), then I am willing to volunteer to get this project back on track. Even if few people actually submit anything, I think there is enough activity going on this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 23:35 +0530, Anant Narayanan wrote: If nobody has a problem with making the GWN a GMN (Monthly newsletter), then I am willing to volunteer to get this project back on track. Even if few people actually submit anything, I think there is enough activity going on

[gentoo-dev] Re: Of Mips and Devs [Was: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January]

2008-01-10 Thread Ryan Hill
Kumba wrote: So how can this ship be righted? I did a quick scan of most of the mails in the thread to get an idea of some of the existing opinions (while trying to pass over the arguments), and here's what I found that needed to be addressed. a) thanks for the post. b) thanks for helping

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 17:51 Thu 10 Jan , Ryan Hill wrote: If you do, I can start doing package mask reports again. I stopped when the GWN did since I didn't think it was very interesting to -dev readers that see the individual announcements anyways. Keep 'em coming to -dev-announce, at least. Without a

[gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Ryan Hill
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 17:51 Thu 10 Jan , Ryan Hill wrote: If you do, I can start doing package mask reports again. I stopped when the GWN did since I didn't think it was very interesting to -dev readers that see the individual announcements anyways. Keep 'em coming to -dev-announce,

[gentoo-dev] Last Rites: sys-devel/distcc-config

2008-01-10 Thread Ryan Hill
# Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] (10 Jan 2008) # Duplicates functionality already in sys-devel/distcc # Masked for removal (treecleaner) # Bug #192741 sys-devel/distcc-config -- fonts,by design, by neglect gcc-porting, for a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Of Mips and Devs [Was: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January]

2008-01-10 Thread Kumba
Mike Frysinger wrote: that certainly sounds reasonable to me. if the stable cant be maintained, let the common workflow of developers transition it back to ~arch until someone has the time to keep arch usable. changing profiles.desc accordingly should be done ahead of time. perhaps a new

[gentoo-dev] Re: GMN (was: Re: Projects and subproject status)

2008-01-10 Thread Anant Narayanan
Hi, On 11-Jan-08, at 4:14 AM, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Some of the scripts would need to be updated to work on a monthly- basis rather than weekly. Also, I still think that it would be good to automate the scripts that run by putting them on infra somewhere and having just the output mailed to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: sys-devel/distcc-config

2008-01-10 Thread Josh Saddler
Ryan Hill wrote: # Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] (10 Jan 2008) # Duplicates functionality already in sys-devel/distcc # Masked for removal (treecleaner) # Bug #192741 sys-devel/distcc-config Given that this is being removed, can you or someone in charge of distcc packages please provide a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: sys-devel/distcc-config

2008-01-10 Thread Petteri Räty
Josh Saddler kirjoitti: Ryan Hill wrote: # Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] (10 Jan 2008) # Duplicates functionality already in sys-devel/distcc # Masked for removal (treecleaner) # Bug #192741 sys-devel/distcc-config Given that this is being removed, can you or someone in charge of distcc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: sys-devel/distcc-config

2008-01-10 Thread Josh Saddler
Petteri Räty wrote: Josh Saddler kirjoitti: Ryan Hill wrote: # Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] (10 Jan 2008) # Duplicates functionality already in sys-devel/distcc # Masked for removal (treecleaner) # Bug #192741 sys-devel/distcc-config Given that this is being removed, can you or someone

Re: [gentoo-dev] Of Mips and Devs [Was: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January]

2008-01-10 Thread Stuart Longland
Kumba wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: that certainly sounds reasonable to me. if the stable cant be maintained, let the common workflow of developers transition it back to ~arch until someone has the time to keep arch usable. changing profiles.desc accordingly should be done ahead of time.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Of Mips and Devs [Was: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January]

2008-01-10 Thread Alec Warner
Continuing on a side angle. I have a 300mhz Octane I'll ship to someone in the US if they need more mips hardware. If you ask nice I might even pay for the shipping. I haven't booted it in ages but it used to work ;) -Alec On 1/10/08, Stuart Longland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kumba wrote: