[gentoo-dev] Proposal: disable python and perl USE flags in profile

2008-12-08 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
Following advise from https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250179, I'm bringing it here. -- regards MM -- Wygraj telefon komorkowy! Sprawdz http://link.interia.pl/f1fc0

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 14:46 Sun 07 Dec , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:44:40 -0800 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hadn't heard of it before, thanks for the ref. What was the reason for forking the codebase? It gets pretty annoying to copy across useful changes, especially while

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
On Monday, 08. December 2008 17:37:42 Donnie Berkholz wrote: Open and public debate about the right way to do things does take longer, and it's something you certainly participate in quite frequently so I'm surprised to hear you badmouth it when it comes to your own ideas. It's not about

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread Santiago M. Mola
(I'm replying to Ciaran's email, but my reply is for Donnie too) El lun, 08-12-2008 a las 17:44 +, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:37:42 -0800 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Open and public debate about the right way to do things does take longer, and it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread nikos roussos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:44:34 + Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the people involved in the decision to fork eselect rather than work on it for Gentoo are anything except entirely in favour of open and public debate. It's just

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:28:58 +0200 nikos roussos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:44:34 + Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the people involved in the decision to fork eselect rather than work on it for Gentoo are anything except entirely in favour of open

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread Geralt
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:37:42 -0800 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Open and public debate about the right way to do things does take longer, and it's something you certainly participate in quite frequently so I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Wulf C. Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, 08. December 2008 17:37:42 Donnie Berkholz wrote: Open and public debate about the right way to do things does take longer, and it's something you certainly participate in quite frequently so I'm surprised to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libIDL: libIDL-0.8.10.ebuild

2008-12-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Mart Raudsepp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On P, 2008-12-07 at 12:07 +, Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote: vapier 08/12/07 12:07:53 Modified: libIDL-0.8.10.ebuild  ChangeLog entires are mandatory without any exceptions for stabilizations.

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:56 -0800, Alec Warner wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Wulf C. Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, 08. December 2008 17:37:42 Donnie Berkholz wrote: Open and public debate about the right way to do things does take longer, and it's something you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: disable python and perl USE flags in profile

2008-12-08 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Monday 08 of December 2008 11:34:21 Maciej Mrozowski wrote: Following advise from https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250179, I'm bringing it here. Hm, i totally don't agree with the original comment from the bug. Many people get use of those two flags without even noticing it. There is

[gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Jean-Marc Hengen
Hi, I like to write about an observation about gentoo, I made the past weeks, which does frustrate me personally a little bit, mainly because it makes administration a bit harder for me. It could be considered as an issue or as yet another case of When you play with unstable packages, you're

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 01:00 +0100, Jean-Marc Hengen wrote: So this is about, if the current policy for using EAPI 2 in the tree is really good or it should be improved, when introducing future EAPI's, where portage supporting that EAPI is still unstable. My proposal would be, to only use

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:09:50 -0500 Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to go further and ask that for the next EAPI change, we only allow ebuilds using it into the tree once a version of portage that supports it has gone stable. And then, not make any ebuild with the new EAPI

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 00:11 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:09:50 -0500 Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to go further and ask that for the next EAPI change, we only allow ebuilds using it into the tree once a version of portage that supports it has gone

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 00:29 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:25:44 -0500 Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The testing should be two phased, the first for regression (against existing ebuilds), and once thats stable, then we can test with new ebuilds... Uh,

[gentoo-dev] Proposal: add a compiler-version entry to pkg db

2008-12-08 Thread Federico Ferri
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, today I hit this annoyance, because my laptop hung in the middle of an 'emerge -e @world' (checking that my world set compiles with gcc-4.3... stopped at ~ 300 of 700 :S ) I was looking for an entry in /var/db/pkg/cat/pkg/ that could have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: disable python and perl USE flags in profile

2008-12-08 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dawid Węgliński wrote: On Monday 08 of December 2008 11:34:21 Maciej Mrozowski wrote: Following advise from https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250179, I'm bringing it here. Hm, i totally don't agree with the original comment from the bug.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: add a compiler-version entry to pkg db

2008-12-08 Thread Petteri Räty
Federico Ferri wrote: Hello, today I hit this annoyance, because my laptop hung in the middle of an 'emerge -e @world' (checking that my world set compiles with gcc-4.3... stopped at ~ 300 of 700 :S ) Consider using emerge --keep-going next time. I was looking for an entry in

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:25:44 -0500 Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The can be tested properly phase is when it's in ~arch... That also means that to pull a significant number of ebuilds it forces mostly everyone to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: disable python and perl USE flags in profile

2008-12-08 Thread Petteri Räty
Maciej Mrozowski wrote: Following advise from https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250179, I'm bringing it here. I think this is probably a good idea after EAPI 2 is stable and we eliminate built_with_use usage from the tree. I think having stuff build out of the box instead of dying in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: disable python and perl USE flags in profile

2008-12-08 Thread Nathan Zachary
If one has built a system with the default python and perl USE flags, what steps would be necessary to remove all packages and dependencies after removing them from the USE declarations? Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Dawid WgliDski wrote: On Monday 08 of December 2008 11:34:21 Maciej

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: disable python and perl USE flags in profile

2008-12-08 Thread Josh Saddler
Nathan Zachary wrote: If one has built a system with the default python and perl USE flags, what steps would be necessary to remove all packages and dependencies after removing them from the USE declarations? After kicking 'em out of make.conf, run emerge -pvtuDN world (the N is important; it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: disable python and perl USE flags in profile

2008-12-08 Thread Nathan Zachary
H, that's what I assumed, but I run into problems with the depclean: Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to the following required packages not being installed: =virtual/perl-Compress-Zlib-1.14 required by dev-perl/Archive-Zip-1.23 =virtual/perl-ExtUtils-ParseXS-1.02 required

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: add a compiler-version entry to pkg db

2008-12-08 Thread Branko Badrljica
While at it, it might be useful to have someghing like compiler-use file ( like package.use) for per-package compiler version and FLAGS to be used. It is annoying to have emerge -eD world fail because some package requires specific compiler version or because gcc-3.4 can't be compiled with

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Robert R. Russell
On Monday 08 December 2008 06:00:10 pm Jean-Marc Hengen wrote: snip This mail is about EAPI usage in the portage tree. Let me describe it, with what happened today: I'm running a mostly stable system (91 of 1255 installed packages are unstable), but I test here and there some packages. On of

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Duncan
Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:43:42 -0500: I'm not suggesting waiting any longer, just not pushing ebuilds into the tree until we have a stable enough version of portage that handles them (and if we do, then lets mark it as