Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/epdfview

2012-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:00:13 +0900 hero...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org writes: # Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org (7 Aug 2012) # Many display bugs and compatibility problems, does not build with cups-1.6. # Upstream is dead. There's no real way

[gentoo-dev] RFC: fsmove to profiles/updates

2012-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, Right now, every time a bigger bunch of stuff (installed by various packages) needs to be moved around the filesystem, we have a lot of work to handle it somehow. And finally, users end up having to either rebuild a lot of packages to get the files in the new locations, or we do ugly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/epdfview

2012-08-07 Thread Cyprien Nicolas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hero...@gentoo.org wrote: I remember when xpdf was removed, epdfview was recommended as a lightweight alternative. How about this time? Have you gave a try to app-text/mupdf? It is very lightweight and does not depends on poppler. - -- Cyprien

[gentoo-dev] RFC: euscan user dashboard

2012-08-07 Thread Federico fox Scrinzi
Hi! I'm Federico and I'm working for this year's Google Summer of Code on the euscan project with Corentin Chary. euscan is a tool to automatically scan upstream and find out if some packages in gentoo are outdated and should be bumped. We're working on a dashboard for maintainers where will be

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: fsmove to profiles/updates

2012-08-07 Thread Kent Fredric
On 7 August 2012 19:52, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, Right now, every time a bigger bunch of stuff (installed by various packages) needs to be moved around the filesystem, we have a lot of work to handle it somehow. And finally, users end up having to either rebuild a lot of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: euscan user dashboard

2012-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:12:47 +0200 Federico \fox\ Scrinzi fo...@anche.no wrote: We already received some suggestions and we implmented some of them, but we'd like to receive more detailed feedback about: - Mail newsletter: would you like to have it? which info would you like to receive

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: app-text/epdfview

2012-08-07 Thread grozin
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: # Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org (7 Aug 2012) # Many display bugs and compatibility problems, does not build with cups-1.6. # Upstream is dead. There's no real way to support this anymore. Masked for # removal in 30 days. Unfortunately the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/epdfview

2012-08-07 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 08/07/2012 06:00 AM, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org writes: # Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org (7 Aug 2012) # Many display bugs and compatibility problems, does not build with cups-1.6. # Upstream is dead. There's no real way to support this

[gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Sylvain Alain
Hi everyone, for a couple of months now, I see on the list some of activities about OpenRC been ported to FreeBSD or OpenRC to Debian and other stuff related to SystemD. I have some basic questions about all that : 1. The SystemD and Udev projetcs are merged now, so what is the impact on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: fsmove to profiles/updates

2012-08-07 Thread Peter Stuge
Kent Fredric wrote: I suggest, that due to the volatility of such actions, a user should have to approve each bulk move before it is done, to avoid breaking things. Further thoughts about this: * The move is needed for some reason. * The person running emerge will in the common case not know

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Sylvain Alain d2racing...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, for a couple of months now, I see on the list some of activities about OpenRC been ported to FreeBSD or OpenRC to Debian and other stuff related to SystemD. You and half the world. Most of the issues you

[gentoo-dev] x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome needs a new maintainer

2012-08-07 Thread Jeroen Roovers
Hello developers, for the last few years I have been maintaining x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome as best as I could. I was basing most of that work on my extensive use (in a workstation of sorts) of a single VIA EPIA M-1 mainboard for a period of more than seven years, but it proved

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-util/cccc

2012-08-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
# Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org (7 Aug 2012) # Fails to build with GCC 4.7 (bug #430250) # Bundles utilities from dev-util/pccts # Dead upstream. Removal in 30 days. dev-util/

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: fsmove to profiles/updates

2012-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:10:35 +0200 Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Rather than adding a prompt for the user to have to care about (everyone will answer yes all the time or no all the time anyway) I suggest that the action be made easy to undo, so that when something breaks it is possible and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: In the future it might be much harder to run Gnome on Gentoo on an OSX kernel, etc. Yes, but if the upstream that is Gnome decides to start depending on systemd features then that's their decision, and the place to discuss if it's good or bad (more important, the place to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Yes, but if the upstream that is Gnome decides to start depending on systemd features then that's their decision, and the place to discuss if it's good or bad (more important, the place to change it!) would be within the Gnome

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: fsmove to profiles/updates

2012-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't think that's possible. Much like with other kinds of updates, the packages in the tree would be updated to install in the new location anyway. If I were faced with doing this manually I know the first thing I'd do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo vs. upstream

2012-08-07 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: I suspect upstream would say that if you want a smooth desktop experience you shouldn't be running Gentoo. To some degree they probably even have a valid point. Yes and no.. I think it will always be possible to use Gentoo to create as smooth a desktop experience as any

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: fsmove to profiles/updates

2012-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:48:01 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I think any kind of large-scale directory moves are going to be risky on a distro like Gentoo. We should probably give them careful thought before implementing them. This isn't something like Ubuntu where you practically

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Sylvain Alain
The KDE team seems to work on that too : http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=134052539215508w=2 Now I understand why some devs are working hard to make Mdev working with OpenRC. They want to replace Udev/SystemD with Mdev/OpenRC and solve this situation. Sylvain aka d2_racing 2012/8/7 Rich

[gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-x86 commit in dev-perl/XML-Parser: XML-Parser-2.410.0-r1.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-08-07 Thread Torsten Veller
* Fabian Groffen (grobian) grob...@gentoo.org: grobian 12/08/07 15:21:54 Modified: ChangeLog Added:XML-Parser-2.410.0-r1.ebuild Log: Fix expat detection for FreeBSD that silently went unnoticed. The following single quotes were dropped:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-x86 commit in dev-perl/XML-Parser: XML-Parser-2.410.0-r1.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:03:14 +0200 Torsten Veller t...@gentoo.org wrote: * Fabian Groffen (grobian) grob...@gentoo.org: grobian 12/08/07 15:21:54 Modified: ChangeLog Added:XML-Parser-2.410.0-r1.ebuild Log: Fix expat detection for FreeBSD that

[gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-x86 commit in dev-perl/XML-Parser: XML-Parser-2.410.0-r1.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-08-07 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 07-08-2012 18:03:14 +0200, Torsten Veller wrote: * Fabian Groffen (grobian) grob...@gentoo.org: grobian 12/08/07 15:21:54 Modified: ChangeLog Added:XML-Parser-2.410.0-r1.ebuild Log: Fix expat detection for FreeBSD that silently went

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:33:59 -0400 Sylvain Alain d2racing...@gmail.com wrote: The KDE team seems to work on that too : http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=134052539215508w=2 it's actually worth it. more user-spread FUD or however you like to call it on the topic than I'm not sure if *devs*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-x86 commit in dev-perl/XML-Parser: XML-Parser-2.410.0-r1.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-08-07 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 07-08-2012 18:23:54 +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Sorry, I don't understand the problem. Is it a general problem with the single quote or a special FreeBSD problem? A general problem. It won't work unless it's eval-ed. And if it were, there will be more harm than you can possibly imagine.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:33:59 -0400 Sylvain Alain d2racing...@gmail.com wrote: The KDE team seems to work on that too : http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=134052539215508w=2 it's actually worth it. more user-spread

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage FEATURE suggestion - limited-visibility builds

2012-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:57 PM, viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com wrote: Il 31/07/2012 21:27, Michał Górny ha scritto: I'd be more afraid about resources, and whether the kernel will be actually able to handle bazillion bind mounts. And if, whether it won't actually cause more overhead than

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Olivier Crête
Hi, Let's cut the FUD. On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 08:47 -0400, Sylvain Alain wrote: 1. The SystemD and Udev projetcs are merged now, so what is the impact on the Gentoo on a short term period ? Only the build system is merged, they're still separate binaries. 2. I saw on some lists that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:31:32 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:33:59 -0400 Sylvain Alain d2racing...@gmail.com wrote: The KDE team seems to work on that too :

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Dale
Michał Górny wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:31:32 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:33:59 -0400 Sylvain Alain d2racing...@gmail.com wrote: The KDE team seems to work on that too :

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: fsmove to profiles/updates

2012-08-07 Thread Kent Fredric
On 8 August 2012 01:58, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't think that's possible. Much like with other kinds of updates, the packages in the tree would be updated to install in the new location anyway. Sure, but the question is when does this happen. Users are expecting such changes

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-08-07 Thread Dan Douglas
On Friday, August 03, 2012 07:16:45 AM Luca Barbato wrote: On 07/27/2012 07:24 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: yes, and i'm waiting on the POSIX group to formalize C.UTF-8. that's the only real option in my mind for making unicode the default. any other amalgamations of various locales is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Now, since Walter didn't like the way things are going, can he write code and be left in peace to do so? Maybe have a little bit of support while he is doing it? ++ I can't say I think that preferring mdev over an initramfs is