Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Jory A. Pratt
On 07/10/18 16:35, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 10/07/18 21:09, William Hubbs wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:54:35PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: >>> On 07/09/2018 03:27 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: On 09/07/18 23:12, Zac Medico wrote: > On 07/09/2018 02:34 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Raymond Jennings
As long as an announcement is made in advance (perhaps as a NEWS item) and portage itself is prepared to do an in-place migration if necessary, I think things will be fine. I do think it would be a wise idea to "grandfather" the current layout for awhile. On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gordon

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Gordon Pettey
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Jory A. Pratt wrote: > This is a mess, many systems are setup with portage already on a > seperate partition for reasons. What advantage does it provide to move > the tree now after all these years? I have seen nothing more then lets > do this cause I like the

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:36 AM Raymond Jennings wrote: > > I do think it would be a wise idea to "grandfather" the current layout > for awhile. > I don't see why we would ever stop supporting it, at least in general. Maybe if some day somebody had a solution for a read-only /usr with signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:36 AM Raymond Jennings > wrote: > > > > I do think it would be a wise idea to "grandfather" the current layout > > for awhile. > > > > I don't see why we would ever stop supporting it, at least in general. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
On 07/11/2018 03:29 AM, Jory A. Pratt wrote: > On 07/10/18 16:35, M. J. Everitt wrote: >> On 10/07/18 21:09, William Hubbs wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:54:35PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: On 07/09/2018 03:27 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 09/07/18 23:12, Zac Medico wrote: >> On

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Requiring gentoo.git committers to use their @gentoo.org address

2018-07-11 Thread Kent Fredric
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:38:27 -0400 kuzetsa wrote: > Authorship was never shown in dev-timeline for addresses > which aren't @gentoo.org anyway. That's a separate issue, > so this policy change shouldn't affect proxy-maint? Then why does the dev timeline show me starting at Oct 2015, but git

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 06:24:20PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:11 PM Richard Yao wrote: > > > > Is it a violation of the FHS? /usr is for readonly data and the portage > > tree is generally readonly, except when being updated. The same is true of > > everything else

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Requiring gentoo.git committers to use their @gentoo.org address

2018-07-11 Thread Kent Fredric
On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:40:22 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Hi, > > We currently don't enforce any particular standard for e-mail addresses > for developers committing to gentoo.git. FWICS, the majority of > developers is using their @gentoo.org e-mail addresses. However, a few > developers are

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Ulrich Mueller
[Please fix your mailer. Your message has a broken "References" header.] > On Wed, 11 Jul 2018, Richard Yao wrote: > This does not answer my question. Is it really a FHS violation? The > contents of /usr changes when doing updates using the system package > manager. When not doing updates,

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > W dniu śro, 11.07.2018 o godzinie 18∶11 -0400, użytkownik Richard Yao > napisał: On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:34 PM Richard Yao wrote: On my system, /usr/portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Requiring gentoo.git committers to use their @gentoo.org address

2018-07-11 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:52 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:40:22 +0200 > Michał Górny wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We currently don't enforce any particular standard for e-mail addresses >> for developers committing to gentoo.git. FWICS, the majority of >> developers is using their

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Requiring gentoo.git committers to use their @gentoo.org address

2018-07-11 Thread Christopher Head
On July 11, 2018 8:52:56 PM PDT, Kent Fredric wrote: >Standard git tools will not attempt to even *change* these commits even >with an explicit rebase, because Git will detect that nothing needs to >change, and will no-op the rebase, leaving Committer and Signatures >intact, degrading to a

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:11 PM Richard Yao wrote: > > Is it a violation of the FHS? /usr is for readonly data and the portage tree > is generally readonly, except when being updated. The same is true of > everything else in /usr. > It is application metadata. It belongs in /var. No other

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:42 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 04:25:20PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>> On 07/11/2018 03:29 AM, Jory A. Pratt wrote: On 07/10/18 16:35, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 10/07/18 21:09, William Hubbs wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:34 PM Richard Yao wrote: >> >> On my system, /usr/portage is a separate mountpoint. There is no need to >> have on,h top level directories be separate mountpoints. > > It makes sense to follow FHS. Sure, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu śro, 11.07.2018 o godzinie 18∶26 -0400, użytkownik Richard Yao napisał: > > On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > W dniu śro, 11.07.2018 o godzinie 18∶11 -0400, użytkownik Richard Yao > > napisał: > > > > > On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:34 PM Richard Yao wrote: > > On my system, /usr/portage is a separate mountpoint. There is no need to have > on,h top level directories be separate mountpoints. It makes sense to follow FHS. Sure, I can work around poor designs by sticking mount points all over the

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 04:25:20PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote: > On 07/11/2018 03:29 AM, Jory A. Pratt wrote: > > On 07/10/18 16:35, M. J. Everitt wrote: > >> On 10/07/18 21:09, William Hubbs wrote: > >>> On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:54:35PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:27 PM, M.

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu śro, 11.07.2018 o godzinie 18∶11 -0400, użytkownik Richard Yao napisał: > > On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:34 PM Richard Yao wrote: > > > > > > On my system, /usr/portage is a separate mountpoint. There is no need to > > > have on,h

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:36 AM Raymond Jennings wrote: >> >> I do think it would be a wise idea to "grandfather" the current layout >> for awhile. >> > > I don't see why we would ever stop supporting it, at least in general. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:11 PM Richard Yao wrote: >> >> Is it a violation of the FHS? /usr is for readonly data and the portage tree >> is generally readonly, except when being updated. The same is true of >> everything else in