On 02-10-2012 12:40:20 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
> The irker proxy was mentioned in this thread. I think we should look
> into this. Unless someone has a better idea.
I think it might be more beneficial to try and relay -commits email to
irc.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to give us this clear list of
things that need to be done to take this forward!
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On 1 October 2012 17:48, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Ben de Groot posted on Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:14:25 +0800 as excerpted:
>
>> Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a
>> replacement service, or host our own [2].
>> Is infra already looking into this?
>>
>> 1: http:/
Cross-posting to scm; responses should go to scm please (and the
people who whinge about cross posting should go promptly to hell if
I have any say in the matter).
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 05:58:43PM -0700, Diego Elio Petten?? wrote:
> On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote:
> >
> > Anyhow
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò
wrote:
> On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote:
>>
>> Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as
>> Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm
>> sorry. Perhaps Rich and I insensitively
On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote:
>
> Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as
> Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm
> sorry. Perhaps Rich and I insensitively voiced our shared assumption
> that Gentoo's continued reliance
If you're going to paint me and the other folks expressing opinions as
entitled mouth-breathers, certainly you can't expect not to hear any
reply because it's "off-topic"!
On 10/1/2012 2:00 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote:
I don't think we can keep the di
On 01/10/2012 15:53, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> > Then you probably don't know half the Gentoo developers
> I think they are the ones who should fork. :)
Unfortunately the problem is that they tend to linger around even after
forking...
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Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > Another idea I have, besides the go-ahead+fix what breaks, is that
> > after everything has broken, Gentoo developers will not be spamming
> > this mailing list like three-year-olds screaming rude complaints
> > about how things do not work and calling infra bad names,
On 01/10/2012 15:21, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>> With all due respect,
> ..
>> you calling for shutdown dates
> ..
> all without changing a stupid subject
> line to at least show you're no longer speaking about the original topic
> (it's not like people can be psychic that yo
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> With all due respect,
..
> you calling for shutdown dates
..
> is obnoxious.
I don't know about respectful, but oh well..
Another idea I have, besides the go-ahead+fix what breaks, is that
after everything has broken, Gentoo developers will not be spamming
this mailin
On 01/10/2012 14:41, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Noone said it's easy.
«This just strikes me as something that is about at the point where we
could "just do it."»
This was Rich at 11.29 Pacific Time.
> Several said it needs to just-be-done, without further consensus.
> I support that. Everyone also agr
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> Honestly, this whole thread, with the exception of Rafael, makes me
> facepalm incredibly, because everybody is saying "it's easy!"
> without asking the people who have done the work up to now and will
> have to manage it.
Noone said it's easy.
Please don't put words i
On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote:
> I don't think we can keep the discussion off -dev forever though. It
> seems like we're close to being able to implement, which means lots of
> changes that impact all devs. I can't imagine that we'd want to
> implement that without some kind of council
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò
wrote:
>
> And I suggest we stop here. We have a different mailing list for this
> and it's getting tiring.
Ok, looking at the archives as far as I can tell nobody is really
monitoring that list (a post requesting a status update went
unanswered
On 01/10/2012 13:17, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Gregory M. Turner wrote:
>> > "fuck everyone, we are doing this, here is the changeover date."
> Well put. When is the date? I suggest October 5th, 18:00 UTC.
And I suggest we stop here. We have a different mailing list for this
and it's getting tiring.
-
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> Why exactly are we still using cvs? Rather than building enhancements
>> for cvs, why not just migrate everything to git, and spend our time
>> building the git hooks/etc necessary to
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Why exactly are we still using cvs? Rather than building enhancements
> for cvs, why not just migrate everything to git, and spend our time
> building the git hooks/etc necessary to make this work?
The CIA/irc bot issue is pretty much entirel
Gregory M. Turner wrote:
> "fuck everyone, we are doing this, here is the changeover date."
Well put. When is the date? I suggest October 5th, 18:00 UTC.
//Peter
On 10/1/2012 10:29 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Looking at the tracker [1], we need a pre-upload hook (I'm not quite
sure why), an rsync conversion script, the ability to validate the
converted tree, and documentation. There is still an open bug for
commit signing, and I'm not quite sure why as thi
Rich Freeman wrote:
> I doubt everybody is going to be happy if somebody convinces infra
> to shut down cvs without any discussion first.
I would do exactly that, actually.
There's been years of discussion. There's even a mailing list for
discussion.
//Peter
On 01/10/2012 11:29, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Where else would one discuss it?
gentoo-scm
Yes, there is a mailing list for that.
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On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Rafael Goncalves Martins
wrote:
> Have you ever thought that people may be not really interested on this
> move? or don't have the time to work on it? or don't care enough to
> spend time on it? or just wants someone else to do the work?
>
I'd thought of every sing
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>> I don't know to what depth this has been discussed in the past, but if
>> you use git, you also get an HTTP transport, which has a useful
>> feature: You could simplify updating the tree on
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rafael Goncalves Martins
> wrote:
>> Maybe someone with good cvs knowledge can contribute a hook for irker
>> [1], so we can have #gentoo-commits flooding our irc clients again! :)
>
> Why exactly are we still
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> I don't know to what depth this has been discussed in the past, but if
> you use git, you also get an HTTP transport, which has a useful
> feature: You could simplify updating the tree on end-users's machines
> by using caching proxy servers (op
Well nenolod has written a CIA -> Irker proxy that (I believe) takes
commit messages designed to go to CIA and makes irker read them and
such, but i haven't looked into it:
https://github.com/nenolod/irker-cia-proxy
On 1 October 2012 11:21, Rafael Goncalves Martins
wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> On Mon, O
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rafael Goncalves Martins
> wrote:
>> Maybe someone with good cvs knowledge can contribute a hook for irker
>> [1], so we can have #gentoo-commits flooding our irc clients again! :)
>
> Why exactly are we still
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rafael Goncalves Martins
wrote:
> Maybe someone with good cvs knowledge can contribute a hook for irker
> [1], so we can have #gentoo-commits flooding our irc clients again! :)
Why exactly are we still using cvs? Rather than building enhancements
for cvs, why not
On 01-10-2012 17:17:40 +0200, Marien Zwart wrote:
> There used to be a more subtle problem: the python objects you import
> have the path to their source embedded into them, and if you move the
> .pyc/.pyo file around that path would be wrong, confusing some (mostly
> debugging) tools (see http://b
Hi Ben,
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a
> replacement service, or host our own [2].
> Is infra already looking into this?
>
> 1: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/245-CIA.vc-is-dead.html
> 2: http://www.don
(pardon any awkward formatting, writing from webinterface instead of a
"proper" client. Please yell at me off-list or on irc if this post is
excessively broken.)
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300922
>From that bug:
> - chpathtool does some "simple" heuristic to switch the build EPREF
On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 17:44 +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
> Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 à 10:19 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit :
> >
> > Just to make it clear:
> > - USE=upnp for upnp-igd or nat-pmp,
> > - USE=dlna for the video magic and so on.
> >
> > Do I understand correctly?
>
> No, T
Ben de Groot schrieb:
> Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a
> replacement service, or host our own [2].
I understand that ohloh is already tracking us (sometimes at least).
http://www.ohloh.net/p/gentoo/
Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Ben de Groot posted on Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:14:25 +0800 as excerpted:
> Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a
> replacement service, or host our own [2].
> Is infra already looking into this?
>
> 1: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/245-CIA.vc-is-dead.html 2:
> http:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 02:01:32 -0700
Brian Harring wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:13:49AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > x? ( build: a run: b ) *is* nested "conflicting".
> >
> > You're still failing to understand the point of labels parsing
> > rules, though: the point is to make uses like
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:13:49AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> x? ( build: a run: b ) *is* nested "conflicting".
>
> You're still failing to understand the point of labels parsing rules,
> though: the point is to make uses like the above well defined and
> consistent.
I understand them just f
Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a
replacement service, or host our own [2].
Is infra already looking into this?
1: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/245-CIA.vc-is-dead.html
2: http://www.donarmstrong.com/posts/switching_to_kgb/
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Cheers,
Ben | yngwin
Gentoo de
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:36:12AM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 30-09-2012 14:47:17 -0700, Brian Harring wrote:
> > > In the worst case it returns "Bad marshalling data".
> >
> > Examples wanted for this. If this occurs, that's a python bug- one
> > exception... portage (figures). They ins
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:56:56 -0700
Brian Harring wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:53:40PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > But here's the thing: when you sell something as "pragmatic", what
> > you're really saying is "it's wrong, I know it's wrong, and I'm
> > going to pretend that wrong is a
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