[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/01/13 15:57, Ben de Groot wrote: Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further in modularization, so we expect the number of packages to grow much more. We, the Gentoo Qt team, are of the opinion

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 January 2013 23:38, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: We have a fixed number of exact 2 tags (foo and bar), This limitation has proven it's usability in the past of Gentoo, but there are reasons to break it up (Like making up funny points like regex and it has always been this way).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 00:48, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: * In general, yes, I'm in favor of a dedicated qt-* category, but... Good :-) *** (VERY strongly!) Please avoid namespace pollution! Don't drop the hyphenated qt-pkg names. As a user, most of the time I DO only refer to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 05:03, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130119 Ben de Groot wrote: On 19 January 2013 21:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe lib-qt ? dev-qt sounds confusing to me too, what's dev about it? These are libraries and applications that are used by

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 06:59, Francesco Riosa viv...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/19 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org Just a completely different idea -- how about putting those libraries into different categories appropriate to the topic? We have a bunch of categories like dev-libs, media-libs, etc. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 15:59, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: Just a user with a suggestion here. Since portage already has kde-base and kde-misc, why not qt-base and qt-misc (and qt-something is the need arises.) Qt5 will have standard core modules and extensions. qt-base and qt-misc

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 20/01/13 10:39, Ben de Groot wrote: On 20 January 2013 15:59, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: Just a user with a suggestion here. Since portage already has kde-base and kde-misc, why not qt-base and qt-misc (and qt-something is the need arises.) Qt5 will have standard core modules

[gentoo-dev] About dropping comm-fax herd

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
Only one package is inside it: net-misc/capi4hylafax It should probably be moved to kingtaco (if he is still interested... are you?) or maintainer-needed until any other steps up as maintainer. What do you think about removing this herd? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

[gentoo-dev] About dropping hppa-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello Looks like no package is inside this herd, I think would be safe to drop it. What do you think? Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 17:09, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/01/13 10:39, Ben de Groot wrote: There is no need for multiple qt categories. We want everything that the upstream Qt Project considers to be part of the Qt Framework to be in one category. Besides that there are only a

[gentoo-dev] About completely dropping lcd herd

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
Looks like it's still listed in herds.xml even being empty and with no packages inside it. Probably it's time to safely remove it completely. OK with that? Best regards signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] About dropping comm-fax herd

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 17:10, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Only one package is inside it: net-misc/capi4hylafax It should probably be moved to kingtaco (if he is still interested... are you?) or maintainer-needed until any other steps up as maintainer. What do you think about removing

Re: [gentoo-dev] About dropping comm-fax herd

2013-01-20 Thread Sergey Popov
20.01.2013 13:10, Pacho Ramos wrote: Only one package is inside it: net-misc/capi4hylafax Personally, i think that keeping herd only for one package(if it's not god-damn-hard-to-maintain) is a bit overkill. -- Best regards, Sergey Popov Gentoo Linux Developer Desktop-effects project lead

[gentoo-dev] About dropping mips-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] About dropping ppc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping ppc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Luca Barbato
On 20/01/13 10:26, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? Agreed.

[gentoo-dev] About dropping sparc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] theology herd is empty

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
If we agree on keeping this herd instead of trying to find one maintainer per package, somebody should join. Otherwise I will move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] About completely dropping lcd herd

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 17:21, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Looks like it's still listed in herds.xml even being empty and with no packages inside it. Probably it's time to safely remove it completely. OK with that? Best regards Yes please -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium system ffmpeg

2013-01-20 Thread Luca Barbato
On 19/01/13 20:10, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: have a way to more simply exclude code that requires CODEC_ID_OPUS. Exclude in chrome or in libavcodec? The latter is a matter of adding --disable-decoder=opus and/or not --enable-libopus in the configure. lu

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Duncan
Ben de Groot posted on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:24:14 +0800 as excerpted: On 20 January 2013 00:48, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: *** (VERY strongly!) Please avoid namespace pollution! Don't drop the hyphenated qt-pkg names. As a user, most of the time I DO only refer to the package name,

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due spock retirement

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
dev-python/pycuda media-gfx/bootsplash-themes media-gfx/fbgrab media-gfx/fbida media-gfx/fblogo media-gfx/quat media-gfx/splash-themes-gentoo media-gfx/splashutils sys-apps/v86d Thanks for taking care of them signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due spock retirement

2013-01-20 Thread justin
On 1/20/13 11:09 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: dev-python/pycuda Sci is taking this. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
Due swegener focusing in less packages until he has more time: x11-misc/x11vnc - maybe net-libs/libvncserver could be interested in this signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] net-news herd is empty

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
Feel free to join for taking care of its packages. If nobody joins, will move that packages to maintainer-needed in a week Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-emulation/qemu-user mask

2013-01-20 Thread Luca Barbato
On 16/01/13 20:20, Luca Barbato wrote: Again please do not mix qemu system emulation with qemu userspace wrappers. They have different needs and requirements. qemu-user-1.2.2 in portage. I'll drop the mask as said before. We can discuss on irc or here on what's the best strategy today

[gentoo-dev] [PATCH] Support running commands in parallel if desirable.

2013-01-20 Thread Michał Górny
...and use if for src_configure(). --- gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass | 41 +-- 1 file changed, 39 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass b/gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass index fe6372d..3aa5f27 100644 ---

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 17-01-2013 a las 08:31 -0800, Zac Medico escribió: On 01/17/2013 08:00 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Another try ;) Looks good to me. + 20 Jan 2013; Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org +readme.gentoo.eclass: + Finally commit readme.gentoo.eclass to create a README.gentoo doc file + recording

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping hppa-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:19, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello Looks like no package is inside this herd, I think would be safe to drop it. What do you think? Thanks +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping mips-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:23, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping sparc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:32, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping ppc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:26, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: net-news herd is empty

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 21:34, Pacho Ramos wrote: Feel free to join for taking care of its packages. If nobody joins, will move that packages to maintainer-needed in a week Thanks Hi, I will join this herd. People who are interested in specific packages should still feel free to add themselves

[gentoo-dev] Re: About completely dropping lcd herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:21, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like it's still listed in herds.xml even being empty and with no packages inside it. Probably it's time to safely remove it completely. OK with that? Best regards +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping comm-fax herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:10, Pacho Ramos wrote: Only one package is inside it: net-misc/capi4hylafax It should probably be moved to kingtaco (if he is still interested... are you?) or maintainer-needed until any other steps up as maintainer. What do you think about removing this herd? +1

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Dale
Duncan wrote: Ben de Groot posted on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:24:14 +0800 as excerpted: On 20 January 2013 00:48, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: *** (VERY strongly!) Please avoid namespace pollution! Don't drop the hyphenated qt-pkg names. As a user, most of the time I DO only refer to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] About dropping sparc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Raúl Porcel
On 01/20/13 10:32, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? +1

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Summarizing this thread: * move setting USE=dri from default/linux/make.defaults to targets/desktop/make.defaults +1 by dilfridge, djc, kensington, vapier, pesa, hwoarang chitanh, titanofold, zerochaos wants to keep this in default profile === done because it's still 2:1 (see remark at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 21:35, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. I have had to re-emerge qt packages several times myself. It seems that when I do, I have to do them all one at a time too. In which case you're better off with something like: emerge -a1 `eix --only-names -IC qt` --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping mips-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 01/20/2013 07:45 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 20/01/2013 20:23, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? +1 Yes drop it. I see no need. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened] E-Mail:

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-lang/ruby-enterprise

2013-01-20 Thread Hans de Graaff
# Hans de Graaff gra...@gentoo.org (20 Jan 2013) Mask # dev-lang/ruby-enterprise for removal, bug 453178. The current # versions have minor security issues, the latest versions are masked # and don't work, and upstream announced end-of-life almost a year # ago. Ruby 1.9 has almost all of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] About dropping comm-fax herd

2013-01-20 Thread Markos Chandras
On 20 January 2013 09:10, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Only one package is inside it: net-misc/capi4hylafax It should probably be moved to kingtaco (if he is still interested... are you?) or maintainer-needed until any other steps up as maintainer. What do you think about removing

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-20 Thread Panagiotis Christopoulos
On 23:47 Sat 19 Jan , Walter Dnes wrote: ... On a lark, I once tried the default/linux/x86/10.0 profile for a re-install on my netbook without -*. I soon ended up with more - entries in make.conf and package.use, than I have add-on entries when using -*. And I was only half-way

[gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Hi everyone, we've now had a few cases where mails were sent to this list to get a general opinion whether * some change should be implemented * some feature is still needed * ... While discussing this on a mailing list is nice, there are some disadvantages: * Threads are easily hijacked,

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Andreas K. Huettel schrieb: Summarizing this thread: * move setting USE=dri from default/linux/make.defaults to targets/desktop/make.defaults +1 by dilfridge, djc, kensington, vapier, pesa, hwoarang chitanh, titanofold, zerochaos wants to keep this in default profile === done because

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn schrieb: * move setting USE=dri from default/linux/make.defaults to targets/desktop/make.defaults +1 by dilfridge, djc, kensington, vapier, pesa, hwoarang chitanh, titanofold, zerochaos wants to keep this in default profile === done because it's still 2:1 (see

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Andreas K. Huettel schrieb: Summarizing this thread: * move setting USE=dri from default/linux/make.defaults to targets/desktop/make.defaults +1 by dilfridge, djc, kensington, vapier, pesa, hwoarang

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: So, a thread like Should we enable useflag Z by default would then include Please discuss here, vote on ... with a link to the count page (updated via cron every 1h). On login to ..., a message similar to the open

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Panagiotis Christopoulos
On 16:20 Sun 20 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote: I would like to suggest and ask your opinion on a simple way of getting the developers' collective opinion: cast votes with a shell script on our favourite shell server, which is then displayed on a web page (either only as stats, or with

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 23:22, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Andreas K. Huettel schrieb: * move setting USE=dri from default/linux/make.defaults to targets/desktop/make.defaults I must say that I am unhappy about this. The packages in question should not be built with

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Ben de Groot schrieb: On 20 January 2013 23:22, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Andreas K. Huettel schrieb: * move setting USE=dri from default/linux/make.defaults to targets/desktop/make.defaults I must say that I am unhappy about this. The packages in question

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 10:30 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: It seemed like most who were knowledgeable suggested disabling dri was a bad move. I think it is required for kernel-modesetting among other things. Why would somebody install xorg and not use dri? Rich Since I'm not so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: So, a thread like Should we enable useflag Z by default would then include Please discuss here, vote on ... with a link to the count page

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
*the thing with USE flags is a big change. You're kidding, right? If we seriously start doing that, we'll either get slapped with dont bother us with that by the council members, or nobody wants to run for council anymore. -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Brian Dolbec schrieb: But, doesn't your point above very strongly suggest that IUSE=+dri should be set on those pkgs irregardless of where/if the dri USE flag should be set in some profile. We can either set it in the base profile, then there is no need for IUSE=+dri. Or we can set it in every

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:20:42 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: I would like to suggest and ask your opinion on a simple way of getting the developers' collective opinion: cast votes with a shell script on our favourite shell server, which is then displayed on a web page

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Duncan
Ben de Groot posted on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:59:49 +0800 as excerpted: On 20 January 2013 21:35, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. I have had to re-emerge qt packages several times myself. It seems that when I do, I have to do them all one at a time too. In which case you're better

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 20 January 2013 10:54:55 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Ben de Groot schrieb: On 20 January 2013 23:22, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Andreas K. Huettel schrieb: * move setting USE=dri from default/linux/make.defaults to targets/desktop/make.defaults I must say

[gentoo-dev] Re: Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Duncan
Andreas K. Huettel posted on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:52:40 +0100 as excerpted: *the thing with USE flags is a big change. You're kidding, right? If we seriously start doing that, we'll either get slapped with dont bother us with that by the council members, or nobody wants to run for

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Mike Frysinger schrieb: On Sunday 20 January 2013 10:54:55 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Yes, I mentioned this in another post already. We can use EAPI=1 IUSE defaults instead. But this will not change any systems so I fail to see the point behind this. This will only move clutter from

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2013, 10:39:58 schrieb Rich Freeman: What's the point? I don't think democracy is the best way to handle these sorts of things. LOL. Yeah, but haven't we tried to give ourselves rules that at least resemble it? If I wanted to find out expert opinions and act on that,

Re: [gentoo-dev] theology herd is empty

2013-01-20 Thread Chris Reffett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/20/2013 04:34 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: If we agree on keeping this herd instead of trying to find one maintainer per package, somebody should join. Otherwise I will move their packages to maintainer-needed in a week Thanks I will join

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Dale
Ben de Groot wrote: On 20 January 2013 21:35, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. I have had to re-emerge qt packages several times myself. It seems that when I do, I have to do them all one at a time too. In which case you're better off with something like: emerge -a1 `eix

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium system ffmpeg

2013-01-20 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 1/20/13 1:46 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: On 19/01/13 20:10, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: have a way to more simply exclude code that requires CODEC_ID_OPUS. Exclude in chrome or in libavcodec? The latter is a matter of adding --disable-decoder=opus and/or not --enable-libopus in the configure.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Panagiotis Christopoulos
On 17:52 Sun 20 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote: *the thing with USE flags is a big change. You're kidding, right? If we seriously start doing that, we'll either get slapped with dont bother us with that by the council members, or nobody wants to run for council anymore. I

[gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, There is a fair interest in multilib and while still early, it would be a good moment to decide on how USE flags to use for it. The current attempts are mostly using USE=multilib which is not really expressive and poor. What I would go for is a clear variable specifying which targets

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs

2013-01-20 Thread Mike Gilbert
On 01/20/2013 05:30 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Due swegener focusing in less packages until he has more time: x11-misc/x11vnc - maybe net-libs/libvncserver could be interested in this Yeah, I picked it up. As always, anyone is free to co-maintain if they like. signature.asc Description:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2013, 10:39:58 schrieb Rich Freeman: What's the point? I don't think democracy is the best way to handle these sorts of things. LOL. Yeah, but haven't we tried to give ourselves rules that

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If we have it as IUSE default, it can be removed from the profiles entirely. Having it only in the desktop profile is not good in any scenario I can think of. chithanh, maybe you can explain to everyone why USE=dri is needed for base profile.

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:59:24 -0500 Rick \Zero_Chaos\ Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: chithanh, maybe you can explain to everyone why USE=dri is needed for base profile. You seem to be the most knowledgable here, can you cite a specific example

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Sergei Trofimovich
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:11:31 +0100 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, There is a fair interest in multilib and while still early, it would be a good moment to decide on how USE flags to use for it. The current attempts are mostly using USE=multilib which is not really

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:05:56 +0300 Sergei Trofimovich sly...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:11:31 +0100 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: There is a fair interest in multilib and while still early, it would be a good moment to decide on how USE flags to use for it. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Thomas Sachau
Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, There is a fair interest in multilib and while still early, it would be a good moment to decide on how USE flags to use for it. The current attempts are mostly using USE=multilib which is not really expressive and poor. What I would go for is a clear variable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Thomas Sachau
Sergei Trofimovich schrieb: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:11:31 +0100 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, There is a fair interest in multilib and while still early, it would be a good moment to decide on how USE flags to use for it. The current attempts are mostly using USE=multilib

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:01:05 +0100 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, There is a fair interest in multilib and while still early, it would be a good moment to decide on how USE flags to use for it. The current attempts are mostly using USE=multilib

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le lundi 21 janvier 2013 à 00:01 +0100, Thomas Sachau a écrit : Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, There is a fair interest in multilib and while still early, it would be a good moment to decide on how USE flags to use for it. The current attempts are mostly using USE=multilib which is

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: If we have it as IUSE default, it can be removed from the profiles entirely. Having it only in the desktop profile is not good in any scenario I can think of. chithanh, maybe you can explain to everyone why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Thomas Sachau
Gilles Dartiguelongue schrieb: Le lundi 21 janvier 2013 à 00:01 +0100, Thomas Sachau a écrit : Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, There is a fair interest in multilib and while still early, it would be a good moment to decide on how USE flags to use for it. The current attempts are mostly using

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Thomas Sachau schrieb: So you want to re-implement multilib-portage in an eclass without the additional benefits a package-manager level implementation has? Once the package-manager level implementation becomes available in g-x86 then we can switch to it. If something in the proposed changes

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread James Cloos
AWS == Aaron W Swenson titanof...@gentoo.org writes: AWS That's why there's a base desktop profile and desktop/{gnome,kde} AWS profiles. /usr/portage/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults still has too much crap for a real base profile for a box which (might) run X or wl. Also, I suspect the

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2013-01-20 23h59 UTC

2013-01-20 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2013-01-20 23h59 UTC. Removals: media-gfx/opencolorio 2013-01-16 05:57:48 pinkbyte dev-util/nvidia-cuda-npp2013-01-17 10:14:37 jlec virtual/pcmcia

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: So you want to re-implement multilib-portage in an eclass without the additional benefits a package-manager level implementation has? I really wish you'd just make the PMS diff and get your stuff implemented. How long has it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Peter Stuge
Alec Warner wrote: [..removed 25 lines of quoted text which I had already read..] The primary complaint was the fact that there is too much email. Many emails are not neccessarily a problem if only they have high signal-to-noise ratio. I have *never* seen so competent people output so

[gentoo-dev] Re: USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:00:20 + as excerpted: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:59:24 -0500 Rick \Zero_Chaos\ Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: chithanh, maybe you can explain to everyone why USE=dri is needed for base profile.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion (Meinungsbild) on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Alec Warner wrote: [..removed 25 lines of quoted text which I had already read..] The primary complaint was the fact that there is too much email. Many emails are not neccessarily a problem if only they have high

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-20 Thread Peter Stuge
Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote: I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be much appreciated if they could respond here. I build catalyst stage4s. Any default profiles are kindof pointless for me; I have USE=-* and the flags that I want. Anything else seems a bit too

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping mips-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 01/20/2013 4:23 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? Yeah, I am the only maintainer of mips-sources anyways. Any problems with that package should go to me or the mips herd direct. -- Joshua Kinard

Re: [gentoo-dev] Separately buildable binary blobs

2013-01-20 Thread Peter Stuge
Doug Goldstein wrote: sys-firmware/ipxe, sys-firmware/seabios, sys-firmware/sgabios, sys-firmware/vgabios .. So basically, how important is it to keep supporting these separately buildable blobs knowing that it might slow the release of QEMU within our own tree. Each of those sys-firmware/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Separately buildable binary blobs

2013-01-20 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Doug Goldstein wrote: sys-firmware/ipxe, sys-firmware/seabios, sys-firmware/sgabios, sys-firmware/vgabios .. So basically, how important is it to keep supporting these separately buildable blobs knowing that it might slow

Re: [gentoo-dev] Separately buildable binary blobs

2013-01-20 Thread Peter Stuge
Doug Goldstein wrote: we go through the effort to ALLOW users to build their own binary blobs but is it really necessary as part of our culture? I don't think that question can be answered? The way I see it either someone maintains those packages, or not. I'd be sad to see them go, but am not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 January 2013 10:42, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: So that's what I (and others, but less explicitly) propose, leaving USE=dri where it is in the old and soon-to-be-deprecated 10.x profiles so nobody gets broken, while in the new 13.0 profiles, USE=dri is moved from base to desktop.

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 January 2013 12:16, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote: I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be much appreciated if they could respond here. I build catalyst stage4s. Any default profiles are kindof pointless for me; I have

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in mail-client/claws-mail-rssyl: ChangeLog claws-mail-rssyl-0.34.ebuild

2013-01-20 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:56:35 + (UTC) Christian Faulhammer (fauli) fa...@gentoo.org wrote: fauli 13/01/20 21:56:35 Modified: ChangeLog Removed: claws-mail-rssyl-0.34.ebuild Log: clean up I'm guessing you meant to remove the old 0.33 ebuild, not

Re: [gentoo-dev] About dropping ppc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread tkondziola
Pozdrawiam/Best regards Tomasz Kondzioła Dnia 20 sty 2013 o godz. 10:26 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree?

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 18:03 +0100, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: We can either set it in the base profile, then there is no need for IUSE=+dri. Or we can set it in every single ebuild that has the dri flag. I prefer the former because it reduces our maintenance burden. You make it sound

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-20 Thread Ralph Sennhauser
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:27:18 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 21 January 2013 12:16, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote: I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be much appreciated if they could respond here. I build

[gentoo-portage-dev] A way to prevent useless rebuild?

2013-01-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
I noticed go USE flag was masked on gcc:4.6, the problem is that I just compiled it a week ago with USE=-go... then, I would like to know if there is a way to prevent it from being rebuild again :| (It will take some time in my currently running system but on other machines I maintain it will take

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] A way to prevent useless rebuild?

2013-01-20 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2013-01-20 13:22:42 Pacho Ramos napisał(a): I noticed go USE flag was masked on gcc:4.6, the problem is that I just compiled it a week ago with USE=-go... then, I would like to know if there is a way to prevent it from being rebuild again :| (It will take some time in my currently running