Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names)

2013-01-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> > >> > I never meant it is rubbish as such but I saw it as rediculously >> > inferior to sudo before I even read this. >> > >> > http://drfav.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/the-quest-towards-trusted-client-applications-a-rambling/ >> >> Perhaps

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new "qt" category

2013-01-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2013, 14:57:16 schrieb Ben de Groot: >> >> After some initial bikeshedding we came to the conclusion that naming >> the category simply "qt" is the most elegant solution. We will then >> also be dropping the qt-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion ("Meinungsbild") on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Andreas K. Huettel > wrote: >> So, a thread like "Should we enable useflag Z by default" would then include >> "Please discuss here, vote on ..." with a link to the count page (updated via >> cron every 1h).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion ("Meinungsbild") on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2013, 10:39:58 schrieb Rich Freeman: >> >> What's the point? I don't think democracy is the best way to handle >> these sorts of things. > > LOL. Yeah, but haven't we tried to give ourselves rules that at least re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting the general dev opinion ("Meinungsbild") on some feature

2013-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: > [..removed 25 lines of quoted text which I had already read..] >> The primary complaint was the fact that there is too much email. > > Many emails are not neccessarily a problem if only they have high

Re: Please stop useless removals (was: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-arcade/bitefusion)

2013-02-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Vaeth wrote: > >>># Upstream is dead and gone. >>># Masked for removal on 20130302 >> >> >> Erm, so this is the _only_ reason - dead upstream? > > > ++ > > Please, please, stop removing packages for no reason! > This happens now way too often: > > app-dict

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c

2013-02-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: > Quoting Pacho Ramos (2013-01-17 20:21:30) >> # Pacho Ramos >> # Still uses depend.php (#449820), upstream dead for ages and >> # newer versions don't work. Removal in a month. >> www-apps/online-bookmarks > > Is there any goog alternativ

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Please stop useless removals

2013-02-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM, James Cloos wrote: >>>>>> "AW" == Alec Warner writes: > > AW> If folks do not want to maintain it anymore, then it will be removed. > > That is about as harmful an attitude as possible. > > If you don't per

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removals reply

2013-02-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Vaeth wrote: > Sorry, but I feel that I must explain once more: > > When I came to Gentoo many years ago, this was a very rare problem, but the removal of packages has tremendously increased, and it is not only me who is observing this problem - there

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due lack of time

2013-02-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 02/03/2013 01:18 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >> On 02/03/2013 12:46 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: >>> Due matsuu lack of time the following packages are up for grabs: >>> app-admin/augeas >>> app-admin/puppet >>> dev-ml/ocaml-augeas >>> dev-python/py

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper installation path for efi binaries (.efi)

2013-02-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Martin Pluskal wrote: > On 4.2.2013 23:59, Greg KH wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 11:45:22PM +0100, Martin Pluskal wrote: >>> On 4.2.2013 23:34, Greg KH wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:13:58PM +0100, Martin Pluskal wrote: > Hi >I am curious wha

Re: [gentoo-dev] CA-certified SSL

2013-02-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >> I think it's really quite silly that we keep inconveniencing ourselves >> and our user by not having proper certificates that get recognized by >> all the major browsers, preferably w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Porting ZFS to additional architectures

2013-02-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > Dear Everyone, > > Does anyone have root access to Linux systems on any of the following > architectures that is willing to help ZFS development? > > Alpha > HPPA > IA-64 > MIPS/MIPS64 > PPC/PPC64 > SH > SPARC/SPARC64 http://www.gentoo.org/pro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Rename Creative Commons license files?

2013-02-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > I always wondered why we are using such bulky names like > CCPL-Attribution-ShareAlike-2.5 for the Creative Commons licenses, > instead of CC-BY-SA-2.5 like everyone else. The latter also used by > our documentation pages and is the name in t

Re: [gentoo-dev] !!! ERROR !!!

2013-02-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 8 February 2013 09:38, Peter Stuge wrote: >>> !!! ERROR !!! SYSTEM ERROR !!! SYSTEM FAIL !!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Yikes. I didn't touch anything, honest! >>> >> >>> >> lets hope infra will ban him from the list >>> > >>> > What's with al

Re: [gentoo-dev] SRC

2013-02-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Stefan Ehret wrote: > > * * > * PLEACE SAFE THE SOURCE * > * * > > > Annnd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-gfx/picasa, dev-python/papyon, net-voip/telepathy-butterfly, sci-visualization/paraview, x11-misc/xdaf

2013-02-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Tomáš Chvátal wrote: >> Having nice mailinglist where users can contribute simple patches >> would be briliant thing to use :-) > > That's still a waste of time compared to gerrit. You should look at > it if you don't know it already. I'll tak

Re: RFC: install linux-firmware with kernel sources (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1)

2013-02-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Bruno wrote: > On Sun, 10 February 2013 Maxim Kammerer wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: >> > I agree as I have also needed to google and search in forums to get >> > proper firmware installed in the past in some machines :/ >> >> for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] please sign your manifests

2013-02-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:47:34 +0100 > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > >> It would help if repoman noticed when you have FEATURES=-sign. :-\ > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457034 We can do the opposite, and just complain if we see unsig

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1

2013-02-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina schrieb: >> Having 300 -firmware packages is silly. > > I can't help but noticing that some of the recently introduced iwlwifi > firmware packages came from Chromium OS. So there seems to be interest >

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo

2013-02-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 14.02.2013 00:07, schrieb Brian Dolbec: >> On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 20:46 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: >>> Am 13.02.2013 20:19, schrieb Michael Sterrett: # Michael Sterrett (13 Feb 2013) # No longer licensed for sale upstream. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > On 15/02/2013 01:15, Rich Freeman wrote: >> How? We don't support overlays in the main tree. I could see a >> package maintainer being nice if pinged by an overlay maintainer and >> delaying some change for a short time to let an overl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > 2013/2/14 Agostino Sarubbo : >> Probably we don't need to see maintainer-wanted stuff.. > > Oh but we need to see them, quite few of those can be closed as > invalid because the upstream is long ago dead. > > Tom > I was under the impression

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1

2013-02-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > On 16/02/2013 07:08, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: >> What happens why a user runs --depclean and has a masked package >> installed? Oh that's right, it uninstalls. My systems do that >> automatically, but you are welcome to assume "s

Re: [gentoo-dev] The status of the 'minor' arches in gentoo

2013-02-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote: > On Sunday 17 February 2013 19:36:16 Markos Chandras wrote: >> First you need to tell us what arches you think they are considered >> 'minor' and/or understaffed so we can finally document that. Then, in >> my opinion, the ideal approach w

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo GPG key policies

2013-02-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: >> The key rotation as described in RiseUp best practices should be a very >> rare occurrence. Each dev is going to run it at most once. >> > > Some material I read recommended doing a key rotation every 6 months, > which I did for a while unti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: linux-firmware

2013-02-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina posted on Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:18:39 -0500 as > excerpted: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/17/2013 05:04 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 17 Feb 2013, Rick \

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo GPG key policies

2013-02-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 01:34:57AM +0100, Stefan Behte wrote: >> > 2. root key & signing subkey of EITHER: 2.1. DSA, 1024 or 2048 bits >> > 2.2. RSA, >=2048 bits > ... >> 1024 DSA keys seem pretty short to me. Surely it might be inconvenie

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: linux-firmware

2013-02-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Alec Warner wrote: > >> Lets not re-invent the wheel here: > >> Debian has free and non-free packages. >> http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-linux > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: linux-firmware

2013-02-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: >> The policy is also because any ebuild relying on a network service >> to work cannot be assured to work at any point in time > > While noble, I think it is a bit naïve. Reality is that many if not > most ebuilds *an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: linux-firmware

2013-02-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Alec Warner wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: >>> >>> It makes no sense to make that unneccessarily difficult for users. >> >> I don

Re: [gentoo-dev] kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

2013-02-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > (I really don't have time to actively participate on this list right > now, but I believe that if I bring it up on b.g.o, I'll be directed > here, so...) > > So I'm playing with net-fs/samba-4.0.3, AD and kerberos, and tried to > enable kerbero

Re: [gentoo-dev] kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

2013-02-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > On 02/24/2013 09:48 PM, Alec Warner wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >>> (I really don't have time to actively participate on this list right >>> now, but I believe that if I bring

Re: [gentoo-dev] kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

2013-02-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 02/24/13 20:25, Michael Mol wrote: >> (I really don't have time to actively participate on this list right >> now, but I believe that if I bring it up on b.g.o, I'll be directed >> here, so...) >> >> So I'm playing with net-fs/samba-4.0.3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Evaluating a new malloc()

2013-02-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > The Blender project found some fairly remarkable discrepancies between > what their software actually used and what glibc's ptmalloc allocated: > > http://www.sintel.org/development/memory-jemalloc/ > > Results such as these led Blender and oth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Bugday

2013-02-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 27/02/2013 11:39, Pavlos Ratis wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I would like to announce you a new try to 'revive' the Bugday event. >> As most of the open source projects have their own bugday, I thought >> it would be great to have

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo GPG key policies

2013-02-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Thanks for the partial response Luis. > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 04:12:14PM +0100, Luis Ressel wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:10:56 +0700 (NOVT) >> gro...@gentoo.org wrote: >> >> > Hello *, >> > I am stuck and have many questions. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/8] Use bash redirection to run 'tee' rather than simple pipes.

2013-02-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > This allows us to spawn 'tee' as separate process while keeping > the function code executed in the main shell. Can you explain why this is 'better'? I'd prefer way more documentation in the code itself. You are using a number of what I'd con

[gentoo-dev] PSA: Rsync updates (from CVS) suspended until 01:00 UTC (6 hours from now)

2013-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
The QT team has requested an rsync suspension while they re-categorize their qt packages. During this window, fixes made in CVS will not be pushed to rsync users. The suspension began at ~18:37 UTC and will continue until they are done, or until ~01:00. Feel free to follow along on https://bugs.gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/4] multibuild: print only 'public' part of command-line.

2013-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Shift the unnecessary 'private' commands from the printed commands when > executing. > > That is: > > python_parallel_foreach_impl foo > > will print: > > * pythonX.Y: foo > > rather than: > > * pythonX.Y: _multibuild_pa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers: nvidia-drivers-313.18.ebuild ChangeLog

2013-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 02/03/13 18:02, Doug Goldstein (cardoe) wrote: >> >> cardoe 13/03/02 16:02:57 >> >>Modified: nvidia-drivers-313.18.ebuild ChangeLog >>Log: >>Revert non-maintainer changes per bug #447566. >> >>(Portage ve

[gentoo-dev] Re: PSA: Rsync updates (from CVS) suspended until 01:00 UTC (6 hours from now)

2013-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > The QT team has requested an rsync suspension while they re-categorize > their qt packages. During this window, fixes made in CVS will not be > pushed to rsync users. The suspension began at ~18:37 UTC and will > continue until t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers: nvidia-drivers-313.18.ebuild ChangeLog

2013-03-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Carlos Silva wrote: > On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM, hasufell wrote: >> >> What do we have useflags for in gentoo? >> >> add a "unsupported-kernels" useflag, mask it, add a clear statement in >> the masking reason and be done > > > Not a bad solution, still, I, as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/confuse: confuse-2.7.ebuild ChangeLog

2013-03-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> Starting as a developer or aspiring to become one with that >> attitude is not acceptable. > > That doesn't make sense to me. > > If the reason is good, surely it does not matter who is doing the breaking? Well ther

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] multibuild: introduce a generic framework for custom phase functions.

2013-03-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > The framework provides functions to declare, export and obtain custom > phase functions. Thanks for fixing this up. -A > > Each of the custom phases can be defined by eclasses and ebuilds > in a manner similar to regular phases. The eclasse

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Forming Gentoo Policy - Copyright Assignment and Attribution

2013-03-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Dienstag, 12. März 2013, 00:12:43 schrieb Rich Freeman: >> So, clarification now that I'm back at a keyboard... >> >> DCO is mandatory, and is simply a declaration that the committer has >> checked and the new code is distributed und

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] Introduce multibuild_merge_root() to merge interim installs.

2013-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > This is mostly a copy from distutils-r1. The function does copy all the > files from one location onto another, preserving whatever possible. It > can be run in parallel too without the risk of race conditions. > --- > gx86/eclass/distutils-r

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH 1/2] Introduce multibuild_merge_root() to merge interim installs.

2013-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Jonathan Callen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 03/23/2013 01:44 PM, Alec Warner wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Michał Górny >> wrote: >>> + # Close the lock

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 1:13 PM, James Cloos wrote: >> "MC" == Markos Chandras writes: > > MC> Please do not reply to gentoo-dev-announce. > > I didn't. I explicitly replied to the message in gentoo-dev. If doing > that resulted in a cc to announce that means there was no reply-to > header

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> The number of open bugs doesn't really matter, it's what those bugs >> are that matters -- security bugs, sure, are of a higher priority and >> can be fairly easily detected in bugzi

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Pacho Ramos wrote: > >> Today I tried to boot latest install ISO (from January) and hit this >> bug: >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455924 >> >> This breaks a lot of hardware requiring firmwares (

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed update to pax-utils.eclass

2013-03-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Le dimanche 24 mars 2013 à 20:20 -0400, Anthony G. Basile a écrit : >> Last call, does anyone have a problem with me updating the >> pax-utils.eclass? See Ref [3] above for the code. I'll wait a couple >> more days and then do it. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] About how many spaces a tab represents

2013-04-15 Thread Alec Warner
How many avocados does a tab represent? -A On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 08:15:08AM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 07:21 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: > > > On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:22:04 +0200 > > > Pacho Ramos wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC

2013-04-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:58:21PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > > > it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should mirror restriction imply bindist restriction?

2013-04-26 Thread Alec Warner
So years ago, we had GRP (the Gentoo Reference Platform.) My understanding of USE=bindist was that when building packages whose binaries were illegal to distribute, the build system would take some action. For instance, for a while we were not allowed to brand a source build of firefox as firefox,

Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-lang/go

2013-12-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Emery Hemingway wrote: > I really like working with Go, and would like to see a means of merging > Go packages with Portage. In short I am asking if anyone else is > interested in a Go project. > > > For those who aren't familiar with Go, I will sumarise why Port

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Feature Request: making thirdpartymirrors easier to manage

2014-01-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:37:13 -0500 > Alex Xu wrote: > > > Eww. Geographically-close files should be made available through > > GENTOO_MIRRORS and the regular distfiles system. > > How do you define GENTOO_MIRRORS? Where did RESTRICT=mirror

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage QOS

2014-01-09 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:24 PM, LTHR wrote: > Hi All, > > I want to start off by discussing your premise, before embarking on the overall goals. You wrote: "I'm with Gentoo for many years. For various reasons many techs were not implemented and now Gentoo is in a kind of stagnation. But we can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Feature Request: making thirdpartymirrors easier to manage

2014-01-09 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-01-06, o godz. 20:20:03 > "Robin H. Johnson" napisał(a): > > > 2.4. For stack repos/overlays: > > 2.4.1. No prefix: replace all prior mirrors from masters with new URLS > in this file. > > 2.4.2. "-" prefix: remove this URL from the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage team, Zac's development break and stepping down as lead

2014-01-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:46:12 +0100 > Peter Stuge wrote: > > > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > So, yes, we need more people on pkgcore; no, we can't just leave > > > Portage behind, as it still is the beating heart of Gentoo for now. > > > > I guess

Re: [gentoo-dev] [OT] pkgcore bikeshed (was Portage team)

2014-01-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Luis Ressel wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:58:13 +0100 > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:31:56 +0100 > > Fabio Erculiani wrote: > > > > > Portage can still take *minutes* to calculate the merge queue of a > > > pkg with all its deps satisfied. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Hosting daily gx86 squashfs images and deltas

2014-01-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, all. > > I'm using squashfs to hold my Gentoo repositories on all of my systems > for some time. As you probably know, this allows me to save space while > keeping portage fast. However, it makes updating the tree quite > burdensome an

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlays.gentoo.org restoration & post-mortem

2014-01-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: > > On 18 January 2014 18:02, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > >> - More people need to use the infra-status page to learn about the state >> of Gentoo services. >> > > > A service middle layer like fastly or cloudflare which could link to the > in

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlays.gentoo.org restoration & post-mortem

2014-01-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > overlays.gentoo.org service has been restored on a new system. > Some statistics and a post-mortem follow. > > Special thanks to antarus and a3li for all their interactions with our > sponsor, > and managing most of the details. I just did

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlays.gentoo.org restoration & post-mortem

2014-01-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 18/01/2014 09:04, Patrick Lauer wrote: > >> which could link to the > >> > infra page would be good here perhaps, so when an outage occurred ( at > >> > least on the web side ) appropriate links to infra could be given. > > The more sane

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights

2014-01-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I would like to bring back for discussion an old patch to glep 48 [1] > which was suggested by Jorge [2]. > > That patch evolved into this one [3], and in the council meeting back > then [4], parts of it made their way into glep 48,

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights

2014-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 01/20/2014 10:09 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On 01/20/14 15:59, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > >>> #gentoo-qa | @hwoarang: pretty sure diego had the powerzz to > suspend > >>> peop

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights

2014-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > > > Yey, we're allowed to sometimes do revert games, if we're asking nicely > > ... and the only way to stop the revert game is for QA to stand down. > > We're allowed to send strongl

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights

2014-01-22 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I don't want to appear rude, but when reading this entire mail all I see > is someone who has probably never had to do it for real. > > People are not machines. Volunteers really do not like having their > freely given time nullified and acc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dealing with XDG directories in ebuild environment

2014-01-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > >> Dnia 2014-01-25, o godz. 11:13:38 > >> Mike Gilbert napisał(a): > >> > >>> It seems having XDG variables like XDG_CONFIG_HOM

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dealing with XDG directories in ebuild environment

2014-01-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Ciaran McCreesh < ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:43:37 -0800 > Alec Warner wrote: > > I don't buy that. The behavior appears to be currently undefined. > > Changing it to different undefined behavior

Re: [gentoo-dev] January 2014 QA Policy Updates

2014-01-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Chris Reffett wrote: > > - -The QA team policymaking workflow will look like the following: > .. > > If we think a developer's actions are causing problems, we may ask > > them to stop/undo pending discussion by the QA team at the next meeting

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-x86 and git

2014-02-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Ahoi, > > I've been looking for a clean git-converted gentoo-x86 repo for ... well > ... mostly data mining as cvs / anoncvs.g.o is too slow for some things. > > This has been needlessly challenging, which confuses me a bit. > > First, a lit

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Tightening EAPI rules

2014-02-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 10/02/2014 18:05, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> Removing support for it from a package manager should of course > >> > happen much later (well after it is banned). > > The package manager must be able to uninstall old packages, which > > esse

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-x86 and git

2014-02-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:33:27PM +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > Ahoi, > > > > I've been looking for a clean git-converted gentoo-x86 repo for ... well > > ... mostly data mining as cvs / anoncvs.g.o is too slow for some things. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-x86 and git

2014-02-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM, yac wrote: > On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:33:27 +0800 > Patrick Lauer wrote: > > > Ahoi, > > > > I've been looking for a clean git-converted gentoo-x86 repo for ... > > well ... mostly data mining as cvs / anoncvs.g.o is too slow for some > > things. > > > > While you

Re: [gentoo-dev] upstreams that release lzip compressed tarballs (tar.lz) only

2014-02-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-02-20, o godz. 14:12:17 > Lars Wendler napisał(a): > > > So what can we do? Three solutions came to my mind which I list > > here in the order first being my favorite, last being my least > > favorite: > > > > 1.) > > Make portage'

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-news: 2014: 2014-01-31-catalyst-head-changes.en.txt is missing it's gpg armour

2014-02-26 Thread Alec Warner
I'm confused, since when are news items signed? -A On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > > 2014/2014-01-31-catalyst-head-changes.en.txt is missing it's gpg armour: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GLEP:42#News_Item_Files

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:06 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 06:48:54AM +, Steven J. Long wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:31:08PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:47:05PM -0500, Wyatt Epp wrote: > > > > But let's be real here: if I install s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-03 Thread Alec Warner
ink this is a reasonable thing to ask for, I just doubt anyone will volunteer to implement it. > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > > > it is easy for a some users to determine, using existing tools (vim, > less, > > etc.) to view what the con

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Enabling EAPI 5 in arch profile directories

2014-03-09 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Steven J. Long wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:53:57PM -0500, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > > On 12/31/2013 06:43 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > > Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2013, 23:30:14 schrieb Mike Gilbert: > > >> I have noticed that the arch profile d

[gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-22 Thread Alec Warner
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags Object or forever hold your peace. Or argue for 100 posts, either way. -A

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:48:06 + > hasufell wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > Alec Warner: > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 > Alec Warner wrote: > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > > > Object or forever hold your peace. > > > > Or argue for 100 posts, either way. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Future EAPI Idea: post source hook for eclasses

2014-03-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ciaran McCreesh < ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:44:06 +1300 > Kent Fredric wrote: > > On 28 March 2014 23:47, Michał Górny wrote: > > > Please paste a real example, it's easier to understand what you're > > > trying to do when w

Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenSP build fails

2014-04-22 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Nikita Tropin wrote: > Hi, I'm trying to update Gentoo with > I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING=1 emerge --deep --update --newuse --with-bdeps=y > @world > > and process fails on OpenSP-1.5.2-r3. I am tried to compile it myself and > find those lacking `new.h' mentioned in bu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: enabling ipc-sandbox & network-sandbox by default

2014-05-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Thomas D. wrote: > Hi, > > Ryan Hill wrote: > > Probably best to make FEATURES=distcc disable network-sandbox > > then. People enabling it are explicitly saying they want to access > > the network. > > Do you really think it is a good behavior to automatically dis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: enabling ipc-sandbox & network-sandbox by default

2014-05-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: > > On Thu, 15 May 2014 14:44:58 -0400 > > Mike Gilbert wrote: > >> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Ciaran McCreesh > >> wrote: > >> > On Thu, 15 May 2014 17:15:32 + > >> > ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Is it possible to ignore / override parts of binpkg environment locally?

2014-05-18 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Leho Kraav wrote: > On 19.05.2014 03:11, Leho Kraav wrote: > >> >> Do I now always have to rebuild all the packages to get the new changes >> to user.eclass included? I'd really like to just ignore the environment >> file coming with the binpkg and the let the loc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Standardise the variable for including eclasses only once

2014-07-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 07/04/2014 07:26 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > I have no strong preference for the variable's value. Is testing for > > a non-empty value sufficient? Then we should assign something simple > > (like "1"). If not, any string that is suff

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites: games-fps/postal2mp-demo

2014-07-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 16.07.2014 18:06, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> IANAL, but there is no such concept as "abandonware" in copyright > >> law. > [...] > > This is legally a very risky thing to do. If you're

[gentoo-dev] [Last Rites: app-admin/scotty]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
Scotty has been pmasked due to sandbox violations[1]. I spent about 30 minutes looking at them and solving them is not as simple as I'd first hoped, I asked trelane to double check my logic and he came to a similar conclusion. As such with no maintainer or herd this package is scheduled for remova

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Last Rites: app-admin/scotty]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
Joshua Jackson wrote: > What no! not scotty. Who's going to beam us all up now and repair the > ship in half the time that he says it'll take! > vapier? > Alec Warner wrote: >>> Scotty has been pmasked due to sandbox violations[1]. >>> I spent about 30 min

[gentoo-dev] [Last Rites media-tv/zapping]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
media-tv/zapping needs a revbump[1], needs a version that compiles and works, and is currently unmaintained. I have masked it for removal in 30 days. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27515 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] VNC packages need your help [pre-emptive last rites]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Specifically net-misc/vnc and net-misc/xf4vnc have 6 and 5 bugs open respectively. These packages need help, I'm sure there are many users and developers who are interested in vnc. The current maintainer is aliz. Part of this mail is trying to convi

[gentoo-dev] [Last Rites: net-misc/freenet6]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This packages has no metadata.xml, no herd, and no maintainer. It has many open bugs[1][2][3][4][5] It will be pmasked and then sent out of the tree after 30 days. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32779 [2] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [Last Rites: net-misc/freenet6]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alec Warner wrote: > This packages has no metadata.xml, no herd, and no maintainer. It has > many open bugs[1][2][3][4][5] > > It will be pmasked and then sent out of the tree after 30 days. > > [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] VNC packages need your help [pre-emptive last rites]

2006-06-22 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 22 June 2006 00:54, Alec Warner wrote: Specifically net-misc/vnc i'll fix this up if no one else does since it is a pretty friggin critical package for too many people (myself included), but i'd really really prefer someo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Alec Warner
Seemant Kulleen wrote: First of all, I'm not sure why devrel was involved in a technical decision without actually having all the interested parties there, but aside from that, when Gentoo developers become a bunch of 5 year olds? What is this absolute nonsense of "you don't like my toy, you can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Alec Warner
Executive summary: There is a (by now) well established knowledge on group dynamics depending on its size, involving parameters such as "Dubnar's number" for example. Two references I spotted just recently (well, Ok, they are from 2004 actually :)) can be found below: http://www.lifewithalacr

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