to fix their packages.
Here's the thing, there are certain points when you just have to say
that you're not waiting on a few people who aren't keeping up anymore.
Would you rather us lower the standards (just like the US education
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perfect, but we don't release for 5 years?
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There's only so many times you can tell
someone the *exact* same thing before it gets redundant. If you missed
the announcement, I'm sorry to hear it, but I'm not apologizing for your
perception that we didn't get the word out. We did.
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of necessity of "Enabling udev rules file
> installation" or because of necessity of "Installing as an udev helper
> instead of a hotplug helper"?
Actually, because of both. We definitely want the udev files installed.
Truthfully, they should probably be install
ntract is entirely between two third-party entities, the
developer, and whomever contracts him. It isn't like the Foundation is
offering services. It isn't. The individual developers are offering
services. The Foundation is not any of our employer. We are not bound
by any legal co
g... anything masked by package.mask should show up as "M"...
this should have a way of choosing to ignore profile-level masks or not,
also... this is just an example, how we actually get the information
doesn't matter, so long as we can get it...
#9. a standardized api to connect to the
the individual
and the company.
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The only reason that US law
would be used is if you either live in the US or are working for a
company in the US.
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e's a lamer
>
> I bet you say that about all the guys that turn ya down ;)
We have pictures.
Like this one...
http://dev.gentoo.org/~wolf31o2/images/wltjr_dostrow_vapier.jpg
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amd64/ChangeLog
./hppa/ChangeLog
./ia64/ChangeLog
./sparc/ChangeLog
./x86/ChangeLog
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is. I was planning on writing up something a
bit more formal for this, just so we could fit it into the current
"discuss on -dev, then add to agenda" way of doing things, to cross all
the "t" and dot all the "i" so to speak.
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country
code (*grin*) we adjourned.
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On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 17:18 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> This is a simple summary of the recent Gentoo Council meeting from
> September 14th, 2006.
...and this is the raw log:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20060914.txt
I should have mentioned that in the prior
iles, where possible, so I wouldn't
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On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 02:20 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Monday 18 September 2006 21:12, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> >> I would prefer that we add this into a new release profile and move it
> >> "up" the profile inherit
. duplicate functionality already provided by catalyst for quite
some time?
Why hasn't anybody even *tried* to contact Release Engineering on
something like this, considering we already have all of the tools
necessary to complete this, as well as the expertise?
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> I would see the workflow proceed in the following manner:
> Releng herd makes available new official gentoo releases
Uhh... we aren't a herd.
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ven has access to the
Release Engineering build box to do his work on GNAP.
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On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 07:04 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > "bring the work to the main tree"?
> >
> > As in... duplicate functionality already provided by catalyst for quite
> > some time?
>
> Catalyst doesn't provi
ted project and ready for public
consumption? Why is it necessary to even...
*sigh*
Nevermind.
I apologise to everyone for my responses to this. I'm done.
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?). There has to be a chain of
> command. Otherwise, you are rudderless.
This has been the problem with Gentoo since Daniel left, quite honestly.
While things were far from perfect back then, the chain of command was
much more defined. Currently, there is no chain, at all.
Again, I thank y
o take Gentoo's software and do Their
Own Thing(tm) with it, so long as they follow the GPL. However, that
does not mean that Gentoo itself has to have any part in it.
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tp://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102947
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nless someone steps up to maintain these, they'll be
getting the "gentle" treatment with a chainsaw on October 27th.
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is means
there needs to be a transition period. The fact that something works
now really is more of a side-effect than an expected behavior.
I plan on going through all of the "default-linux" profiles and cleaning
them up in this regard, after speaking with each arch team that seems
affe
ist or something to put useful
non-discussion information such as this, with reply-to set to this list?
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I would like to remove VMware Workstation 3.2.1 from the tree. It is
growing increasingly difficult to keep this version up-to-date with
security fixes. Unless someone steps up to maintain this version of the
package, then I'll be removing it on October 27th.
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This one is pretty simple. The Truecombat mod for Quake 3 has moved to
Enemy Territory. Since ET is free (as in beer) and the Quake 3 version
is no longer updated, I see no reason in keeping it around. I'll be
punting it on the 27th of October.
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gt; optimization option by running: find /usr/portage -name '*.ebuild'|
> xargs grep -- '-'. It takes quite
> some time, but might be enlightening: look for the 'filter-flags'.
>
>
>
>
> --- Draft END ---
>
> Lionel
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es the number of
small files in the portage tree. Is this necessary? Who knows? Will
it makes syncs slightly faster? Not a clue. I'm just throwing out an
idea.
Anyway, this looks really good. =]
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o be honest, rather than providing links to an external resource that
may or may not be correct, and may be changed at any time by anyone, I
would much prefer to duplicate the information in the GWN itself.
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i
just *happens* to also include some information about Gentoo isn't quite
the same as telling someone "go here for the definitive answer to your
question." Official documentation belongs on our infrastructure.
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eak,
> understaffed, and unnecessary projects
This would be highly subjective. Who would do this?
> - Project status reports once a month for every project
To whom?
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purposes. Basically, we'd just get a "Hey, where are you
at on $x?" response from the teams.
I don't *want* to drown projects in bureaucracy and paperwork. I want
them to *accomplish* things, instead.
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ld venture to say that it is, and CIA stats seem to agree.
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s out quite well. At the same time,
I dislike us having so much "competition" internally, as I think it
helps to foster some of the conflict and ill will that many of us have
towards each other.
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They can still *contribute* at their current pace without
having CVS access and a nice @gentoo.org email address. All they need
is for someone to commit for them, just like every other person who
contributes by adding ebuilds/patches/etc to bugzilla.
I saw bring in people that *want* to work harder a
idea. Work is done in the overlays, tested, improved, then committed
into the main tree once the kinks have been worked out. We get a
stronger core tree with fewer "developers" and a better interaction with
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On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 12:21 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> >> Now, perhaps what everyone would like, instead, would be status reports
> >> *where necessary* from certain projects?
> >>
> >> In fact,
oject communication, rather than
developer-user communications. It isn't that I don't think dev-user
communications are important, it is just that I don't see it as one of
Gentoo's "problems" currently.
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at people are talking about
dropping, yet the most productive people for Gentoo also happen to work
on these and still manage to improve the "core" of Gentoo daily.
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nications. A couple good examples of projects/teams that
affect everyone are infrastructure and the trustees. These are two good
places for status reports. Things like the games team are not.
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ven then, I still give them a once-over. It is so
little effort on my part to "maintain" the packages that, if I so chose,
I could probably proxy 100 of these. The brunt of the work, such as
keeping up with upstream, writing patches, etc. are done by the person
whom I proxy for, and not b
I can't post bugs about
> overlays in bugzilla, (I suppose) so no updated ebuild have been
> submitted and I ended up just running my own local overlay.
If your package was added to an overlay and the bug was closed, it was
closed in error. Bug reports (unless they pertain to an
"choice" means "forcing developers to do what *I* want them to do
with *their* volunteered time". It doesn't.
We release our code under the GPL. We release our release-building
tool. We release our spec files for that tool. Anyone is capable of
running a few scripts to do
g a kernel) was not
added until after 2006.1 shipped, so you cannot do a completely
networkless install with only the LiveCD/LiveDVD.
> At this point though I think using the installer is reasonable enough.
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bilize glibc-2.3.6-r5 / glibc-2.4-r4 and make no more 2.3.6/2.4 updates
> - move all of ~arch to glibc-2.5
> - cut all glibc 2.3.[345]* versions
So we'll need to update the no-nptl profiles to be ~sys-libs/glibc-2.4
instead of >=sys-libs/glibc-2.4, obviously, but will there be any oth
ng
on a release easier for the guys doing the work. I don't see how doing
reporting improves their lives. After all, we put out four "reports" a
year, two releases, and two meetings between the releases where we plan
the next release. Anything more than that is wasteful.
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 22:58 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 06 October 2006 19:11, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > So we'll need to update the no-nptl profiles to be ~sys-libs/glibc-2.4
> > instead of >=sys-libs/glibc-2.4, obviously, but will there be any other
> &
velopers that it would impact are
likely already in the know.
Again, the last thing that I want to do is enforce some arbitrary
reporting where it isn't necessary. I do agree that it definitely is
necessary in some places, though. It just isn't necessary ubiquitously.
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default-linux/?
I have a set of profiles already (to replace default-linux) that use
default/linux as the base. It can live side-by-side with the current
profiles quite easily.
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ill allow a user to *very* easily to
networkless installs *without* requiring them use the installer itself.
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y* easily to
> > networkless installs *without* requiring them use the installer itself.
> > I will have this documented by that time, so there's no need to fret
> > over it.
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On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 07:40 -0400, Kari Hazzard wrote:
> On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:48 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want?
>
> So what about those of us who DO want that? Forcing us into an installer is
ant to do, or would you rather have a few high quality release
materials that are well-tested? Release Engineering has decided that
higher quality media is better than lots of diverse low-quality media,
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piled against the no-nptl profile. I don't plan on upgrading
these until we switch over to the new multiple-inheritance profiles, at
which point, I'll likely build a set of stages again for legacy
hardware. The stages won't be supported, but they'll be available.
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So long as glibc/gcc/etc still work on i586,
we'll still provide the ability to use it on those machines. That
doesn't mean we'll "support" it. It's like GCC 2.x, which is still in
the tree. It's there. It's usable. It's totally unsupported.
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ands upon
thousands of users.
> On Monday 09 October 2006 5:45 pm, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > That's only true if you assume Gentoo developers are in this for the
> > users and not for themselves and their own personal satisfaction.
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rball and Minimal InstallCD are both built as
"i386" and will remain that way for the foreseeable future.
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set.
>
> That's [use].
I assume it is really [list of use] right?
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r pay me to do this, or do it yourself, then I simply don't care.
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#x27;t needed for NVIDIA folks. All you need is
the masked beta (9625) nvidia-drivers, a couple settings in xorg.conf
(the drivers ebuild tells you what), then running compiz-nvidia.
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work on a
USB stick (there was a bug in 3.4.1/2006.1 that caused them not to work)
with minimal fuss (syslinux over isolinux).
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On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 22:16 +0200, Simon Strandman wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni skrev:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:28 -0600, Joshua Baergen wrote:
> >
> >> I also add that many, many bugs were fixed. To run Compiz using AIGLX,
> >> xorg-server must be build wi
cs already
available. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing this. I haven't
heard of anyone doing it, so it likely isn't as simple as just throwing
the right packages on a CD.
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above will work, though i486-*
and i586-* require much more be done in software than silicon.
> I'm looking for clarification because very often i386 is used to mean
> anything < i686. I have a personal interest too. My server is a k6-2.
Here, i386 means i386. For Release
x/x86/no-nptl suffices until such point as glibc < 2.6
gets some nasty vulnerability that we cannot fix.
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nptl/i386/glibc-compat20/etc...
Well, people running ~x86 and default-linux/x86/no-nptl are already
running on glibc 2.5, since it isn't masked in that profile. Once alpha
gets ~alpha on glibc 2.5, then their no-nptl users will be upgraded, as
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On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 17:42 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Sunday 22 October 2006 10:03, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Dropping support for "i386" means not being able to use the "i386-*"
> > CHOST.
>
> you've hinted at the point of my e-mail ... mov
es you makes me laugh
> > -mike
> >
> Good good! Laugh is good for your health, and you'll
> need lot of support in that area next time I see you...
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in the Handbook.
Remember, people, that we aren't necessarily talking about the i386
*hardware* here. We're talking about the i386-* CHOST.
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pwd
/var/cvsroot/gentoo/src/releng/kconfig/2006.1/x86
The installcd has actually been i486 since 2004.3 was released.
Actually, that was probably accidental and likely my fault, but it's
been i486 since then (except for a short time as i586, which caused
problems for some i586-class machi
s is what happens when you
let a bunch of hippies build an OS.
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iority. I will still be
> happy to provide any services to the Board as they need it (in the
> capacity of an advisor, I suppose).
Hrrrmn... ok... so what does this mean, exactly? Do we take seemant out
of the winners and use the top 5 minus seemant... or do we run with 4...
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oking it in the oven for a few
hours.
Speak now, or forever hold your peace.
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In my updating of all of the quake3 mods, I realized that quake3-osp was
the predecessor to quake3-cpma. Well, quake3-cpma has all of the
features of quake3-osp, so I see no point in keeping both. If nobody
steps up with a good reason, it's getting the axe on November 23rd.
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39 is amended, wouldn't it be better
> to publish a new GLEP to superceed it, rather than revise the existing
> GLEP?)
For something like this, I think that merely noting that it was changed
via an amendment from the Council should be sufficient. I do agree that
changing it inli
to both become the leaders of
Gentoo that so many seem to want, yet also have to balance not
overstepping the bounds some people think we need. We honestly do need
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On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 13:17 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On 10/25/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, I'd like to know what you would propose we do if we were to follow
> > something like this. Would we post something like GLEP 39a, as an
> >
done by hand
by some volunteers for the GWN. There's nothing automatic about it.
Someone else already suggested this to us, but I explained to him that
unless someone had some way to automate it that it simply wasn't
feasible to do by hand.
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actually add new packages) than try to keep track of
what everyone else is doing. The GWN takes a significant amount of time
as it is to put together. Any process that isn't automated is pretty
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package name change and upgraded
> > flawlessly?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Peter.
>
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ompatibleLicenses
[3] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses
[4] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#NonFreeSoftwareLicense
[5] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#FreeDocumentationLicenses
[6] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#NonFreeDoc
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:03 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> In my updating of all of the quake3 mods, I realized that quake3-osp was
> the predecessor to quake3-cpma. Well, quake3-cpma has all of the
> features of quake3-osp, so I see no point in keeping both. If nobody
> steps up
Not being grouped with other
packages doesn't mean it is unmaintained.
So this bears the question, what is the proper solution?
Make optional?
Force the maintainer's email into for packages without a herd?
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sticking in bogus things like a maintainer of bug-wranglers
> (really maintainer-needed would make more sense) ...
Well, we enforce the maintainer tag if herd is no-herd. Then, we only
allow valid devs, and maintainer-needed in maintainer. That should
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I have defined ${S}
> here, but no result.
Set S globally (not in src_unpack).
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On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 17:02 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> 3) ??
Get your hands on some of the minority arch hardware and help out?
Remember that some of the teams in question are sometimes only one or
two people. In this case, a single developer does make a dramatic
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On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 20:06 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:51, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Remember that some of the teams in question are sometimes only one or
> > two people.
> Like x86? :P
With Opfer on the team, I think w
catalyst) is designed more for testing. Using the stage4
catalyst target will save you a good amount of time, since it doesn't go
through the unmerge/rsync/emerge cycle on each package. Just FYI.
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ere I want to receive
replies.
Now, Andrea has explained his position on this, and while I do not agree
with him, I do support him. In other words, so long as he wants it to
remain the way it is, I'll support it, and use procmail to make the
system work the way I want it for myself.
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lso falls under Infra. Have you tried asking them, instead?
Perhaps filing a bug like all other infra requests?
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e're at it,
I'd like to propose we have Andrea flogged publicly at the town square
at noon for not having the same opinion as everyone else. Damn free
thinkers...
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Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Fou
nfra
> >>
> > done in bug 154120 .
> >
>
> And WONTFIXed in 15 minutes. In that case, I'd like to resubmit it to
> the council... :/
So because you didn't like the answer from the people responsible for
this, you'd rather go over their heads and try to b
Also, all Gentoo developers are unpaid volunteers. While some might
have jobs that allow them to work on Gentoo on the job, the Foundation
pays nobody.
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Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gent
gid of the failed message for him.
Thanks,
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Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation
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#x27;t do it.
I've put this in the GWN for this week, which should be going out $soon.
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Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation
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